[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Windows7ge]

23 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

those fsp's? i could find so little about them, maybe a couple internal shots at best

I plan on doing a DAS guide. The JBOD chassis I bought came with a Zippy PSU. I'll crack it open (again :3) and get you pics/information.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Windows7ge said:

I plan on doing a DAS guide. The JBOD chassis I bought came with a Zippy PSU. I'll crack it open (again :3) and get you pics/information.

alright, i'll see what some people think about it

[Windows7ge]

11 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

alright, i'll see what some people think about it

If you add it you add it if you don't you don't. Won't offend me if it doesn't make the cut.

[Tristerin]

Is the Sparkle PSU on this list?

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Is the Sparkle PSU on this list?

you want a tier e?

 

i mean... it's so old and unfindable, i'm not even going to tier it here

[Fasauceome]

just noticed that the advanced list still has 3.0 linked instead of this one

[Tristerin]

2 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

you want a tier e?

 

i mean... it's so old and unfindable, i'm not even going to tier it here

https://www.esaitech.com/spi-fsp650-80glcr-650watts-90-264volts-ac-47-63hz-24-pins-eps12v-atx12v-active-pfc-power-supply-unit.html

 

Heres the model I got, its brand new   roast my PSU  (and yes it was a joke about tiering it lol) but if you could roast it or tell me what these specs mean in terms of "bomb" that would be neat   (if you have time of course)

[atxcyclist]

Look at the EVGA G3, a PSU with a dozen year warranty that has been demoted again. I guess certain people are in on something EVGA doesn't know.

[Tadej Danev]

Luke: any good Seasonic Focus GX-XXX series review etc?

[LukeSavenije]

4 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

just noticed that the advanced list still has 3.0 linked instead of this one

i still have to do a run over that one... so I'll mark it as 4.0 whenever I'm done

[Ethan1406]

13 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

 

 

 

• Cooler Master MWE V2, 

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Is this the MWE White V2 or MWE Bronze V2?

 

[Juular]

I think you should be more descriptive instead of broad terms like this : "EVGA G", "Seasonic Focus 2017". You have G3 & G5 on tier D, indicate that (like EVGA G1+, G2, not G3, G5). And add specific Focus models under tier D listing (SR etc.). Also it would be pretty useful to have info on most popular tier D & E units as to why they're there, as it was indicated in previous post for Seasonic Focus \ Antec HCG\EW, old Seasonic M12\S12, EVGA BR\BT, better by links in the listing itself. Or at least add a note there that most of those units are either old group regulated designs without C5\C6 or have lacking\misconfigured protections \ high ripple, that will clear things out for newbies coming here.

Edit: Also, i don't have any info really but Aerocool aren't particularly known for very good units so maybe add it to Tier E too like 'Aerocool: All units except listed above', they may have some decent units (other than Project 7 which i didn't see anywhere) but it looks that we don't have much info on that.

Edit: Also, 'Corsair CX(M) 2012, 2015\2017', 'Corsair VS 2012\2017' isn't very descriptive either. I think you can differentiate them by label design ? Like vs 2012 are Black\Orange and VS 2017 are White\Black (not sure about CX), indicate that too.

[LukeSavenije]

5 hours ago, atxcyclist said:

Look at the EVGA G3, a PSU with a dozen year warranty that has been demoted again. I guess certain people are in on something EVGA doesn't know.

evga does know about it, but haven't done much about it, except soon retiring the product as they mostly cut lines with SuperFlower

 

33 minutes ago, Ethan1406 said:

Is this the MWE White V2 or MWE Bronze V2?

both, but this is a somewhat recent addition, so position might change because of coming reviews

 

9 minutes ago, Juular said:

Seasonic Focus 2017

this would include the focus and focus plus, also known as focus FX, for now not the GX, PX, GM and SGX for now

 

10 minutes ago, Juular said:

Seasonic Focus \ Antec HCG\EW

those you could see via the focus thread linked on that name, but i could add them to other focus based units as well

 

11 minutes ago, Juular said:

Seasonic M12\S12

this has to do with c6/c7 sleep states

 

i'll look into what else aerocool has before i do

[FALC0N]

The phrase that immediately popped into my mind is "dumpster fire".   

[Juular]

10 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

this would include the focus and focus plus, also known as focus FX, for now not the GX, PX, GM and SGX for now

Yup, i'm just saying that you should indicate that in the list itself, just add 'not FX' to tier A listing.

11 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

those you could see via the focus thread linked on that name, but i could add them to other focus based units as well

Uh, i missed the link. Maybe highlight it with a different color \ bold ? Underscore doesn't quite stand out.

16 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

i'll look into what else aerocool has before i do

I didn't see much reviews on them anywhere but Russian sites and they have very low presence in Americas\EU so i don't think it worth spending time on them anyway, broad term will work fine this time.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Juular said:

Yup, i'm just saying that you should indicate that in the list itself, just add 'not FX' to tier A listing.

many don't know the focus by the FX name... and as far as i can see many see the 2017 units clearly in tier d

 

4 minutes ago, Juular said:

Uh, i missed the link. Maybe highlight it with a different color \ bold ? Underscore doesn't quite stand out.

i'll add it for the next revision

[LukeSavenije]

9 minutes ago, FALC0N said:

The phrase that immediately popped into my mind is "dumpster fire".   

because the precious s12ii is in tier D because it doesn't meet requirements for tier c because of c6/c7 crossloads?

[Juular]

48 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

many don't know the focus by the FX name... and as far as i can see many see the 2017 units clearly in tier d

People coming in this thread for advice in PSU choice don't know how to differentiate Seasonic Focus revisions. They see Seasonic Focus FX on Amazon, think maybe it's newer one and should be even better ? No it's not, it's old one, but your listing for tier D Focus just says '2017'. Same with Corsair units, people need a way to differentiate them, you can't expect them to know which year specific unit they see on retailer page are manufactured\designed.

Edit: Also, there's FM units, where do they stand ? Both FX&FM have SSR prefix so i think they should be pretty similar ?

Edit: Yeah, it seems that it's just that FM are semi-modular and FX are fully-modular.

 

46 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

because the precious s12ii is in tier D because it doesn't meet requirements for tier c because of c6/c7 crossloads?

Don't forget about EVGA entire lineup lol, people think that just because that's well known brand you can just grab a random unit and call it a day.

[FALC0N]

7 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

because the precious s12ii is in tier D because it doesn't meet requirements for tier c because of c6/c7 crossloads?

 

Oh you think the S12II is the ONLY thing wrong with that list?  FAR from it.  Just to illustrate one small example, let's use your own stated c6/c7 standard.  

 

There are Several PSU's in "Tier c" that do not "meet c6/c7 crossloads".  Whatever that's supposed to mean.  But they are still in "Tier C".  Either you aren't applying your standards consistently, or you don't understand the performance characteristics of the PSU's on the list.  

 

But It shouldn't come to that at all since you can change the rules.  If a rule is resulting in erroneous rankings, the solution is to fix the problem. You don't dodge responsibility by blaming "rules".  On the plus side of things, you have a bright future as a bureaucrat.  

 

[Juular]

1 minute ago, FALC0N said:

 

Oh you think the S12II is the ONLY thing wrong with that list?  FAR from it.  Just to illustrate one small example, let's use your own stated c6/c7 standard.  

 

There are Several PSU's in "Tier c" that do not "meet c6/c7 crossloads".  Whatever that's supposed to mean.  But they are still in "Tier C".  Either you aren't applying your standards consistently, or you don't understand the performance characteristics of the PSU's on the list.  

 

But It shouldn't come to that at all since you can change the rules.  If a rule is resulting in erroneous rankings, the solution is to fix the problem. You don't dodge responsibility by blaming "rules".  On the plus side of things, you have a bright future as a bureaucrat.  

 

You know, if you want to contribute - do it. Make your point, what units you could've moved to different tiers and why. Otherwise this just contributes to 'dumpster fire' without improving anything.

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, Juular said:

Don't forget about EVGA entire lineup lol, people think that just because that's well known brand you can just grab a random unit and call it a day.

i mean... they have some decent ones like the G2 if you get them at lower wattages for example, but that aside

 

i made some minor changes real quick to the links and the corsair units, as well as add FX to the focus name

3 minutes ago, FALC0N said:

There are Several PSU's in "Tier c" that do not "meet c6/c7 crossloads".  Whatever that's supposed to mean.  But they are still in "Tier C".

every position is up for debate, so feel free to name them, so i can pass it internally to check around

 

4 minutes ago, FALC0N said:

But It shouldn't come to that at all since you can change the rules

i mean... as much as i'm here to answer questions, i'm not the only one on this list

[Arch9]

Wow am i seeing this right? corsair CX is now tier B+ and CXM on tier B?

[LukeSavenije]

12 minutes ago, Arch9 said:

Wow am i seeing this right? corsair CX is now tier B+ and CXM on tier B?

you are

[Alex Kryo_O]

Lmao the focus series went from tier a straight to not recommended. Good thing I bought the new gx 650w,

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Alex Kryo_O said:

Lmao the focus series went from tier a straight to not recommended. Good thing I bought the new gx 650w,

well, even if i have the GX right here, i can't say for sure if the problems are fixed yet

 

we'll have to wait for reviews...