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So this is a "budget" build I came up with for a friend, parameters are simple, don't go to far past $700 (currently about $706), must pair well with a 1920 x 1080 144hz freesync monitor, must be able to create content and stream with minimal system impact (game of focus is destiny 2). It doesn't need to be able to go max settings and always push 144fps 24/7 but min/maxing price to performance is always ideal, and he's fairly competitive. Build so far:

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600

Mobo: ASRock B450M Micro AM4

RAM: 16gb of ddr4-3000

Storage: 860 evo 500gb ssd

GPU: MSI Radeon RX 580 8gb

PSU: EVGA BQ 600W 80+ bronze

 

PC part picker link: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/AntiHero3391/saved/#view=bbjK4D

 

So for budget reason I went with second gen Ryzen CPU, and this is where I have my only real question, would it be better to go with 3rd gen Ryzen 3 with 4 cores or stay 2nd gen Ryzen 5 with 6 cores so he can make content and all that fun stuff? Are 3rd gen Ryzen's worth it, are they really that good? I have a good amount of experience building computers but I always like to make sure it get it right, so second opinions are nice.

 

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50 minutes ago, AntiHero said:

So for budget reason I went with second gen Ryzen CPU, and this is where I have my only real question, would it be better to go with 3rd gen Ryzen 3 with 4 cores or stay 2nd gen Ryzen 5 with 6 cores so he can make content and all that fun stuff? Are 3rd gen Ryzen's worth it, are they really that good? I have a good amount of experience building computers but I always like to make sure it get it right, so second opinions are nice.

 

Hello,

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $194.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $74.98 @ Amazon
Memory GeIL EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $62.99 @ Newegg
Storage Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $59.98 @ Amazon
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card $178.98 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case $56.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $64.98 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $693.68
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-22 03:20 EDT-0400  

 

With Zen2 CPU and a b450 that is also ready for Zen2 CPU :) 

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21 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

 

Hello,

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $194.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $74.98 @ Amazon
Memory GeIL EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $62.99 @ Newegg
Storage Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $59.98 @ Amazon
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card $178.98 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case $56.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $64.98 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $693.68
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-22 03:20 EDT-0400  

 

With Zen2 CPU and a b450 that is also ready for Zen2 CPU :) 

Im forced to ask, and I know the manufacture website says it supports 3rd gen ryzen out of box, but I won't have to flash the bios correct? If recall correctly the MAX series of B450 were made with 3rd gen ryzen in mind, just wanna make sure, cause that is a small issue, i know PC part picker compatibility checker lies sometimes, but it is red flagging me with a problem I'm familiar with...

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2 minutes ago, AntiHero said:

Im forced to ask, and I know the manufacture website says it supports 3rd gen ryzen out of box, but I won't have to flash the bios correct? If recall correctly the MAX series of B450 were made with 3rd gen ryzen in mind, just wanna make sure, cause that is a small issue, i know PC part picker compatibility checker lies sometimes, but it is red flagging me with a problem I'm familiar with...

 

Yup that's exactly that, it's also why I included the MAX version ;) In fact everything is a bit better for the same price which is nice :D 

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4 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

 

Yup that's exactly that, it's also why I included the MAX version ;) In fact everything is a bit better for the same price which is nice :D 

So I've noticed, excellent! Always helps to have a few extra eyes go over something, especially when you are as busy as I!

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4 hours ago, Plouffe said:

 

Hello,

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $194.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $74.98 @ Amazon
Memory GeIL EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $62.99 @ Newegg
Storage Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $59.98 @ Amazon
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card $178.98 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case $56.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $64.98 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $693.68
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-22 03:20 EDT-0400  

 

With Zen2 CPU and a b450 that is also ready for Zen2 CPU :) 

that's a pretty garbo motherboard, i'd go with a pro4 and take the risk of not having the newest BIOS preinstalled over that.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($118.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Team MP34 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($64.98 @ Amazon) 
Total: $702.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-22 08:16 EDT-0400

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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9 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($118.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Team MP34 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($64.98 @ Amazon) 
Total: $702.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-22 08:16 EDT-0400

They are all tier E though, what's the big difference ?

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1 minute ago, Plouffe said:

They are all tier E though, what's the big difference ?

the board you picked doesn't even have a heatsink, so good luck keeping that VRM cooled if he upgrades to anything else. the pro4 is at least enough for a 3900x on the other hand.

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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2 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the board you picked doesn't even have a heatsink, so good luck keeping that VRM cooled if he upgrades to anything else. the pro4 is at least enough for a 3900x on the other hand.

Well since the budget was low I didn't consider any near upgrade nor any OC tbh but it's noted :) 

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Well since the budget was low I didn't consider any near upgrade nor any OC tbh but it's noted :) 

just write off anything without a heatsink or A320 on AM4, neither of them are worth anyone's time.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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2 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

just write off anything without a heatsink or A320 on AM4, neither of them are worth anyone's time.

OK, I had already removed any a320, too bad they didn't released the b550 at the launch too...

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I mean there wont be ant OCing going on here, if he upgrades anything i suspect it would be more ram to ensure a smooth steam experience. So i gotta ask is the B450 PRO-M2 MAX still worth it if the only foreseeable upgrades would be more RAM and maybe a better "budget" card after 2 or 3 years? 

 

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1 hour ago, AntiHero said:

I mean there wont be ant OCing going on here, if he upgrades anything i suspect it would be more ram to ensure a smooth steam experience. So i gotta ask is the B450 PRO-M2 MAX still worth it if the only foreseeable upgrades would be more RAM and maybe a better "budget" card after 2 or 3 years? 

 

Not when the pro4 and B450M/AC are tge same price.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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Not when the pro4 and B450M/AC are tge same price.

 

well im seeing a nice orange badge on the front so seems to be 3rd gen ready.... also the manufacture's bios/cpu compatibility chart is pretty helpful lol. so as it stands, heres the build.

 

Component   Selection              
CPU     AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor         $194.79    
Motherboard     ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard         $69.98    
Memory     G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory         $64.98    
Storage     Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive         $74.98    
Video Card     Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card         $178.98    
Case     Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case         $63.98    
Power Supply     Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply         $64.98    
       
Total: $712.67    
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1 hour ago, AntiHero said:

 

well im seeing a nice orange badge on the front so seems to be 3rd gen ready.... also the manufacture's bios/cpu compatibility chart is pretty helpful lol. so as it stands, heres the build.

 

Component   Selection              
CPU     AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor         $194.79    
Motherboard     ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard         $69.98    
Memory     G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory         $64.98    
Storage     Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive         $74.98    
Video Card     Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card         $178.98    
Case     Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case         $63.98    
Power Supply     Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply         $64.98    
       
Total: $712.67    

The MP34 and silicon power A80 are both light years ahead of the 860 evo while costing less. Otherwise it's fine.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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On 10/23/2019 at 7:54 AM, Herman Mcpootis said:

The MP34 and silicon power A80 are both light years ahead of the 860 evo while costing less. Otherwise it's fine.

Fair enough, but Samsung is a name that both myself and the person I'm building this for has used in past and have proved very reliable. When I upgrade my personal build I'll happy experiment around with different recommendations. 

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2 hours ago, AntiHero said:

Fair enough, but Samsung is a name that both myself and the person I'm building this for has used in past and have proved very reliable. When I upgrade my personal build I'll happy experiment around with different recommendations. 

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2198?vs=2433 you're paying an extra 25% more for the 860 evo to get 2-4 times worse performance than either drive while having a worse endurance rating by 80TBW. 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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2 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2198?vs=2433 you're paying an extra 25% more for the 860 evo to get 2-4 times worse performance than either drive while having a worse endurance rating by 80TBW. 

Ill talk to them about it but its ultimately not my call.

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