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It sees you when you're sleeping, don't care if you're awake - Pixel 4 face unlock unlocks your phone regardless if the user is alert or alive

2 minutes ago, ZacoAttaco said:

I understand your point of view, that passcodes are already more secure but I also do feel that biometrics have their place. Especially when implemented correctly. Maybe for a smartphone they're perhaps less secure and more 'beatable' but I think in some commercial applications biometrics have their place.

They have a "place" in that they're marginally more convenient and that's all a lot of people care about. Things like bank applications are often locked behind their own pin code anyway so for most people phone security just isn't that important. Which is why I don't get all the fuss about things like this - if you really care about security beyond not letting your brother read your texts then you should never use biometrics anyway, whereas if you don't then the ability to unlock it with your sleeping face is inconsequential.

I wonder how many people know you can reset a computer's password using the windows repair medium when the bios isn't locked... and yet that has never been considered news, whereas this is reported like a big deal. Biometric security is fundamentally flawed and we should all just accept that; it's just never going to be as secure as a password or even a pin code and it's vastly more complex to implement correctly. That's fine in a lot of situations, you just need to realize what you're dealing with.

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9 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I wonder how many people know you can reset a computer's password using the windows repair medium when the bios isn't locked... and yet that has never been considered news, whereas this is reported like a big deal.

You know, I had heard about this but wasn't sure on the specific details. You make a good point, the media likes to take a story and run with it because it has mass appeal. Even if there are far more ergegious examples out there.

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On 10/19/2019 at 4:17 AM, NumLock21 said:

I assume it just scans your entire face and there is no iris scanning so it will unlock even with eyes close. Can someone test with their iPhones that uses FaceID.

Hey I tested this out this weekend (or had my gf test it out rather)

Wont ever ever ever unlock with my eyes closed.

Also doesn't unlock when my eyes are open and my face is in front of the phone and centered but i'm not looking directly at the phone. I actually see it unlock the moment I turn my sight to the phone.

Works pretty darn good, still unlocks in the dark, when i'm wearing a hoodie, when my face is partially covered because i am smoking and have my hand in front of my face,... Sunglasses make it not want to unlock though.

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We can argue all day about whether biometric tech is good or bad or whatever, but my question is why didn't Google give us聽choice? Give the customers options in case they prefer one over the other? Like have iris scanning, face unlock, fingerprint and PIN/password...many different ways so customers can choose? Their newest phone seems to me to be forcing customers to use certain tech, kinda like removing the headphone jack. We're slowly being backed into a corner and our options are becoming fewer with each generation.

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4 hours ago, Stylized_Violence said:

why didn't Google give us聽choice? Give the customers options in case they prefer one over the other? Like have iris scanning, face unlock, fingerprint and PIN/password...

actually i wonder why Apple and Google et al didn't have a setting that requires two unlock factors. like FaceID AND passcode ._.

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On 10/19/2019 at 1:30 AM, Brooksie359 said:

I don't even get this whole arms race of biometrics. I just use a pin and it seems to work fine. Also why in the world is everyone so freaked out about the security of their phone? I can't think of a single thing on my phone that I would be worried about if someone got ahold of it.聽

I have mobile banking, plus all my contact information. I would be more concerned if it was a corporate phone, where this would be a greater concern

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