Man accidentally buys i9-9900KS, release immenient?

[williamcll]

A few days ago a man by the name of FR33_L35T3R on reddit found and bought an i9-9900KS on a Czech Eshop which has since taken down its listing, he has posted some benchmarks as well:
 

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Hello, it's my benchmark result. I bought the CPU from a czech eshop for 589EUR (incl. taxes) on friday and received it today. Apparently the listing was a mistake on their end as it's no longer available there and the price was rather low.

Very good chip indeed. In a Prime95 small FFTs 16 thread test it managed to stay at ~5020MHz for the whole test which I terminated after 20 minutes. Cooled with NH-D15, it reached max temperature 83°C and average temperature 75°C in the test. I didn't touch BIOS settings yet, so these are all out of the box results.

I also tried it in a GTA Online where it clocked itself to 5010MHz and stayed there rock solid. The load was around 15% and temperature 57°C.

 

Thoughts: Wow that is hella expensive, benchmark score wise it is just one step ahead of the Ryzen 7 3800X but cost a whole lot more, but I still wonder if 14nm can be pushed even further.

source:https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/dhxvj5/9900ks_just_appeared_on_userbenchmark/

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/929964/IntelR-CoreTM-i9-9900KS-CPU---400GHz

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/core-i9-9900ks-overclock-5-2-ghz-air-cooling

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/391170

 

[NumLock21]

There is the 9900KF which is a 9900K without the iGPU. I wonder what the S stands for, Special Edition?

[LAwLz]

For those interested, the 3800X costs around 475 dollars in that country so this chip is around 24% more expensive. 

The performance in cinebench is around 8% higher. 

 

So 24% more cash for 8% higher performance. Not exactly a great deal but at the same time not too far from what you'd expect at the really high end. Price:performance always goes down the higher performance you go. But at that price the AMD 3800X seems like a much easier recommendation. 

[Jurrunio]

All I see is 5.2GHz turbo being possible and 95C max temp

[williamcll]

7 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

There is the 9900KF which is a 9900K without the iGPU. I wonder what the S stands for, Special Edition?

Good binned preoverclocked 9900K with 5Ghz all cores out of the box. 

[leadeater]

25 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

For those interested, the 3800X costs around 475 dollars in that country so this chip is around 24% more expensive. 

The performance in cinebench is around 8% higher. 

 

So 24% more cash for 8% higher performance. Not exactly a great deal but at the same time not too far from what you'd expect at the really high end. Price:performance always goes down the higher performance you go. But at that price the AMD 3800X seems like a much easier recommendation. 

Better option than both of these is just the 3700X and raise the power limit to make it a 3800X, then apply OC if you want.

 

Edit:

Also FYI in case anyone doesn't know Silicon Lottery has removed all current Zen 2 CPUs from it's product catalog, 3950X is there waiting for release but I predict the same fate.

[Jurrunio]

Also super triggered by low uncore clock and only 8GB memory

[Fnige]

13 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Better option than both of these is just the 3700X and raise the power limit to make it a 3800X, then apply OC if you want.

 

Edit:

Also FYI in case anyone doesn't know Silicon Lottery has removed all current Zen 2 CPUs from it's product catalog, 3950X is there waiting for release but I predict the same fate.

honestly, i think AMD pushes them to the max already and then decides on that

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, SlimyPython said:

honestly, i think AMD pushes them to the max already and then decides on that

Personally I also believe due to the architecture design and on die power delivery break up happens extremely quickly which just doesn't allow for high OC clocks, without extremely low temps to deal with that problem.

 

Intel CPUs just have a wider range between top and bottom bins, like 500 MHz typically, where Zen 2 is at most 200MHz.

 

Spoiler

 

[GoldenLag]

3 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

There is the 9900KF which is a 9900K without the iGPU. I wonder what the S stands for, Special Edition?

its special edition i believe. or SPEEEEED or whatever they decide its called. 

 

but i think we are all waiting for the unlocked ultra low powered special edition 9900 from intel. 

 

also known as the KYS. 

/s

[WereCat]

3 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

There is the 9900KF which is a 9900K without the iGPU. I wonder what the S stands for, Special Edition?

scam 

[Kilrah]

3 hours ago, williamcll said:

Good binned preoverclocked 9900K with 5Ghz all cores out of the box. 

It's not supposed to be capable of it by default? I got lucky then 

 

3 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

I wonder what the S stands for, Special Edition?

Well that's what's on the box, so I'd guess so...

[porina]

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

For those interested, the 3800X costs around 475 dollars in that country so this chip is around 24% more expensive. 

The performance in cinebench is around 8% higher. 

 

So 24% more cash for 8% higher performance. Not exactly a great deal but at the same time not too far from what you'd expect at the really high end. Price:performance always goes down the higher performance you go. But at that price the AMD 3800X seems like a much easier recommendation. 

If you need the fastest Intel consumer grade CPU, well, this is that fastest Intel consumer grade CPU. To point at cheaper options on either side is missing the point. This is not targeted at general value seekers.

 

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

All I see is 5.2GHz turbo being possible and 95C max temp

5.2 shouldn't be a surprising overclock, that's what could be achieved by my now ancient 8086k although it does require a delid. Could only get 5.1 without, but that is still a paste era CPU.

[Sauron]

83°C stock on an NH-D15

 

*YIKES*

[WereCat]

16 minutes ago, Sauron said:

83°C stock on an NH-D15

 

*YIKES*

It's meaningless without the ambient temp 

[Sauron]

Just now, WereCat said:

It's meaningless without the ambient temp 

I highly doubt it was more than 23°C... even with a difference of 2-3° it's still really high

[WereCat]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

I highly doubt it was more than 23°C... even with a difference of 2-3° it's still really high

83C is fine considering the stock voltage is likely much higher than what's actually needed. 

[porina]

20 minutes ago, Sauron said:

83°C stock on an NH-D15

Running Prime95 small FFT. There are few loads as stressful as that.

 

Although thinking about it, I'm assuming they run a recent version, and not an ancient version like der8auer does. That would reduce it to a more moderate load.

[Sauron]

9 minutes ago, WereCat said:

83C is fine considering the stock voltage is likely much higher than what's actually needed. 

The possibility of user undervolting isn't really a point in its favor...

9 minutes ago, porina said:

Running Prime95 small FFT. There are few loads as stressful as that.

 

Although thinking about it, I'm assuming they run a recent version, and not an ancient version like der8auer does. That would reduce it to a more moderate load.

That's still pretty much the best air cooler on the market on a stock cpu - this is what I would expect of an FX9590, see here for reference...

[porina]

29 minutes ago, WereCat said:

83C is fine considering the stock voltage is likely much higher than what's actually needed. 

Missed this earlier. Who do you think Intel are? AMD?  

8 minutes ago, Sauron said:

That's still pretty much the best air cooler on the market on a stock cpu - this is what I would expect of an FX9590, see here for reference...

Workload and throughput considered it isn't a useful comparison. FX series basically couldn't FPU its way out of a wet paper bag.

[Master Disaster]

And he just also happened to have access to a pre release BIOS with Microcode for an unreleased product? SSSSUUUUURRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!

 

An industry insider by any other name.

[WereCat]

15 minutes ago, Sauron said:

The possibility of user undervolting isn't really a point in its favor...

 

4 minutes ago, porina said:

Missed this earlier. Who do you think Intel are? AMD?  

Just compare it to overclocked 9900k to 5GHz with the same cooler. 

[Sauron]

3 minutes ago, porina said:

Workload and throughput considered it isn't a useful comparison. FX series basically couldn't FPU its way out of a wet paper bag.

Wouldn't be surprised to see this in the 80s on cinebench. We'll have to wait and see but this is undeniably a scorching hot chip.

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

And he just also happened to have access to a pre release BIOS with Microcode for an unreleased product? SSSSUUUUURRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!

I don't think you'll need a bios update for this... it's just a 9900K... he might get slightly worse power optimizations (if that) but that's it.

[RejZoR]

"Man buys Core i3, accidelntaly gets Core i9". LOL, who am I kidding

[porina]

13 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Just compare it to overclocked 9900k to 5GHz with the same cooler. 

If you're saying what I think you're saying, there's always going to be a gap between what a manufacturer wants to use to be stable, vs what an overclocker considers stable. While I've not looked at it in detail, the feeling I get is AMD are more generous on voltage, at least on past GPUs.

 

12 minutes ago, Sauron said:

We'll have to wait and see but this is undeniably a scorching hot chip.

Agree on wait and see. How hot depends on how you use it. If it was using FMA3 Prime95 then I think that is a good result, and for less demanding uses it would be fine.