Intel might (not) skip 10nm desktop CPUs

[porina]

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/news/hardware/prozessoren/51128-insider-geruechte-intel-streicht-10-nm-plaene-fuer-den-desktop-komplett.html

 

Not sure this rumour is news worthy so posting here. Based on a Google translation, they claim to have insider info that Intel will skip 10nm and go straight to 7nm for desktop CPUs in 2022. If so, then AMD will have over 2 clear years advantage for enthusiast builds. Server will continue with 14nm and 10nm offerings in 2020. 

 

To look at it from another direction...

 

If the name doesn't sound familiar, I'll let the following link do the talking.

https://www.techpowerup.com/235385/francois-piednoel-quits-intel

 

Tiger Lake, if not cancelled, is the 10nm desktop CPU. It is the architecture after Sunny Cove used in Ice lake. Sunny Cove is Intel's equivalent to Zen 2, so Willow Cove would be going against Zen 3.

 

 

Edit:

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-yes-there-will-be-10nm-desktop-cpus

 

Apparently Intel have denied the rumours, stating that 10nm desktop parts are still on the roadmap.

[Deli]

So Intel will roll out 10 cores and may be 12 cores desktop with 14nm. Even if the chips can do 5GHz on paper. They will be uncoolable with ambient cooling. 300w of heat, baby.

[RollinLower]

man these names get so confusing sometimes.

 

still tough, skipping 10 wouldn't be that good of a move i think. that would just mean that the 14NM++++++++ meme stays around for a longer while.

 but i'm sure intel has a lot more clever people working on that project than i do, so i guess they know what they're doing.

[19_blackie_73]

11 minutes ago, Deli said:

So Intel will roll out 10 cores and may be 12 cores desktop with 14nm. Even if the chips can do 5GHz on paper. They will be uncoolable with ambient cooling. 300w of heat, baby.

Reminds me of the 9590s

[porina]

45 minutes ago, Deli said:

So Intel will roll out 10 cores and may be 12 cores desktop with 14nm. Even if the chips can do 5GHz on paper. They will be uncoolable with ambient cooling.

5 GHz single core isn't that big a deal. All core will remain somewhat below that. High end air is probably still sufficient but it will vary with the workload. I have a 7920X which is 12 cores. This is not delidded. As an older model it isn't soldered so has paste. With a Noctua D15 on it, I've taken it to 4.5 GHz all core running hwbot X265 encoder. With solder and at least one generation of process improvement a future desktop 14nm CPU could probably manage high 4.x GHz at 10 cores easily enough.

 

45 minutes ago, RollinLower said:

man these names get so confusing sometimes.

Agreed. Up to now the CPU and architecture codenames have more or less followed each other. Only now are we starting to get a split between the -lakes of CPUs and -coves of architecture. I also find it curious people don't often use the AMD CPU codenames like Matisse, more often Zen 2 which I think is more correctly the architecture.

 

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still tough, skipping 10 wouldn't be that good of a move i think. that would just mean that the 14NM++++++++ meme stays around for a longer while.

 but i'm sure intel has a lot more clever people working on that project than i do, so i guess they know what they're doing.

They probably don't have much choice. If 10nm isn't able to produce a real world faster desktop CPU, they might as well stick to 14nm they know works. Mobile is a different area, where the limited power makes it a better choice. I suspect similar applies to server.

[Jurrunio]

I wonder if they'll just build Sunny Cove based CPUs on 14nm instead. This way even if neither frequency nor power draw improve, at least IPC can go up

[porina]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-yes-there-will-be-10nm-desktop-cpus

 

Apparently Intel have denied the rumours, stating that 10nm desktop parts are still on the roadmap.