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Next Generation AMD Mobility 7nm CPUs Landing In Q1 2020, Will Bring AMD Gaming Laptops Price Down To $699

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35 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Hype is the only thing AMD's marketing lives on ?

Hype only gets you so far. Actual results get you further. It's why AMD is dominating so hard, because they also show results, not just hype.

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15 hours ago, mr moose said:

Because traditionally it is.  Many OEM's struggle making serious profit from their laptop divisions unless they are huge like levnovo/HP (who make most their coin from corporate upgrades). 

 

But more importantly, what has Intel's prices got to do with the concept of AMD releasing better 7nm parts in a few years?

1.  Lenovo and HP don't make CPUs.  Their profit margin is whatever they can earn on top of what they need to pay for the parts.  In this conversation CPU parts.  So no. Mobile market is not a low margin ones for the component makers (GPU, CPU)

 

2. Since Intel owns an overwhelming majority of the CPU market on Mobile with really healthy margins. It is relevant for the discussion about "margins" since nobody is mentioning system integrators / laptop manufactures in the conversation but CPU makers. 

 

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59 minutes ago, MadDuke said:

1.  Lenovo and HP don't make CPUs.  Their profit margin is whatever they can earn on top of what they need to pay for the parts.  In this conversation CPU parts.  So no. Mobile market is not a low margin ones for the component makers (GPU, CPU)

 

2. Since Intel owns an overwhelming majority of the CPU market on Mobile with really healthy margins. It is relevant for the discussion about "margins" since nobody is mentioning system integrators / laptop manufactures in the conversation but CPU makers. 

 

so the topic isn't about hardware that might be coming out later but about CPU margins?

 

CPU margins are set based on market forces.  How much the consumer is willing to pay, how much the manufacture can provide, how many units consumers will buy,  How much it cost to develop and the ROI not the least of which is the amount of profit they need to make in order to maintain investor confidence are all factors.  We can't just say, hey look Intel sell X CPU for $1200 and AMD sell something with the same cores for $500 therefore Intel have Higher margins.  We don't know enough about the market or Intel's financials  to make that call.

 

Intel's market share also does not solely effect the size of any margin they have,  upgrade cycles within corporate fleets are a much bigger factor on that. 

 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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699$ is ultra expensive, we need cheaper mobile APU's with more power and GDDR5 onboard otherwise there is no apu gaming laptop with DDR4.

A reasonable price would be 13" laptop with a quad core with SMT low power + tx 550/560 GPU mobile equivalent with 2-4GB GDDR5 for 399$. Wouldnt pay a penny extra for that is just not worth it. Its much cheaper for laptop OEM's to buy bulk chips,ram etc without added tax /profit for each individual component if we compare with a regular PC build.

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5 minutes ago, yian88 said:

A reasonable price would be 13" laptop with a quad core with SMT low power + tx 550/560 GPU mobile equivalent with 2-4GB GDDR5 for 399$.

considering the stuff you put into creating a laptop, i find that price to be rather unreasonable......

 

there is a display, which on its own isnt that expencive, but when you start to put together all the different parties that need a margin. then 399$ doesnt get you very far. and the company needs to provide warranty service and customer support. 

 

and at the end of it, the maker of the laptop need a profit margin, and the seller of the product need a margin. 

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16 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

considering the stuff you put into creating a laptop, i find that price to be rather unreasonable......

 

there is a display, which on its own isnt that expencive, but when you start to put together all the different parties that need a margin. then 399$ doesnt get you very far. and the company needs to provide warranty service and customer support. 

 

and at the end of it, the maker of the laptop need a profit margin, and the seller of the product need a margin. 

and im not willing and wont pay any of those, which is why i am buying used hardware like 6-12 months after release, phones, laptops you name it, i currently use a lenovo ryzen 3 2200u laptop 8gb ram, 240gb ssd, bought for 170$ used like brand new, and i can tell its not worth a penny more even new, i dont need warranty its a pointless $ charge

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1 minute ago, yian88 said:

i can tell its not worth a penny more even new

the cost of manufacture probably disagrees with you, but ok. thats how much you value that laptop. 

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19 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Hype only gets you so far. Actual results get you further. It's why AMD is dominating so hard, because they also show results, not just hype.

My point being, AMD's better performance would not have made as many waves if it wasn't for the hype created by any AMD release (not just the good ones), since they don't have the massive Intel budget to do marketing and bribe incentivize their distributors ?

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On 10/15/2019 at 10:21 PM, MadDuke said:

Ergo why I wish a slightly more powerful APU part. Just going 10W more and utilizing 7nm should accomplish that. 

 

Right now it seems to be a 50-50 chance as to whether the upcoming Ryzen 4000 APUs will include existing Vega or improved Navi iGPUs, but Intel's top-end Tiger Lake CPUs with what could be the 96EU Iris Pro 980 will accomplish that. Just take a look at the leaks and perfomance estimates (the "4X" being four times the performance of the UHD 630):

This means that real-life performance levels could equate to being anywhere between the Vega 11 / MX250 and GTX 1050TI MAX-Q / 1650 MAX-Q.

 

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Or any of these (ranked lowest-to-highest by performance & efficiency):

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  13. [GTX 760] https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-760.c1857
  14. [R9 M395X]https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-m395x.c2742
  15. [GTX 670] https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-670.c362
  16. [R9 285] https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-285.c2609
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  21. [GTX 1050 Mobile] https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1050-mobile.c3298
  22. [GTX 1050 Mobile 3GB] https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1050-3-gb-max-q.c3408
  23. [GTX 1050TI MAX-Q] https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-max-q.c3299
  24. [GTX 1650 MAX-Q] https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1650-max-q.c3383

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But yeah, hopefully entry-level gaming laptops will be a lot more affordable if they come with high-end Intel iGPUs. ;)

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On 10/18/2019 at 3:14 AM, Energycore said:

My point being, AMD's better performance would not have made as many waves if it wasn't for the hype created by any AMD release (not just the good ones), since they don't have the massive Intel budget to do marketing and bribe incentivize their distributors ?

And up until Ryzen AMD's only hope for selling anything was Hype.   To be perfectly honest it's going to be good to see the end of the AMD hype train,  It was getting so annoying hearing something good about AMD but knowing there was a 90+% chance it was all hype and no potatoes.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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I am a slightly confused!

I thought AMD made some great advancements in ryzen APUs so that laptops in particular for gaming no longer need a GPU?

 

I am wondering because I am interested in buying a laptop with a 4k screen but I don´t want to have a gpu with it as it adds extra weight.

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On 11/8/2019 at 8:18 AM, Results45 said:

 

Right now it seems to be a 50-50 chance as to whether the upcoming Ryzen 4000 APUs will include existing Vega or improved Navi iGPUs, but Intel's top-end Tiger Lake CPUs with what could be the 96EU Iris Pro 980 will accomplish that. Just take a look at the leaks and perfomance estimates (the "4X" being four times the performance of the UHD 630):

This means that real-life performance levels could equate to being anywhere between the Vega 11 and GTX 1050TI MAX-Q / 1650 MAX-Q.

 

 

But yeah, hopefully entry-level gaming laptops will be a lot more affordable if they come with high-end Intel iGPUs. ;)

I'm not hyped about Intel in the Mobile because they will charge over double the premium of AMD probably. But from a performance perspective this is awesome from Intel side because we need as much competition on the lower to mid range as possible. :)

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1 hour ago, Teddy07 said:

I thought AMD made some great advancements in ryzen APUs so that laptops in particular for gaming no longer need a GPU?

The GPU part of an AMD APU is generally speaking more powerful than Intel's historic equivalent, but it is still only really good for low end gaming.

 

1 hour ago, Teddy07 said:

I am wondering because I am interested in buying a laptop with a 4k screen but I don´t want to have a gpu with it as it adds extra weight.

Is gaming or other GPU activity going to be a major use case? If so, then you probably still want a higher end GPU. If you don't need that, pretty much anything can drive a 4k screen.

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13 hours ago, MadDuke said:

I'm not hyped about Intel in the Mobile because they will charge over double the premium of AMD probably. But from a performance perspective this is awesome from Intel side because we need as much competition on the lower to mid range as possible. :)

I doubt it'll be double considering you can already get laptops with the GTX 1650 for under $800.

 

If AMD sticks with Vega APUs then they'll sure to have comparative offerings will their RX 5500/500XT & 5600/5600XT. Intel will probably have competitive offerings with their own entry-level 128EU "Xe" dGPUs. I mean, they might jack-up the price if they fit the 98EU Iris Pro 980 into sub-3.5lb 12.5-14 inch ultrabooks (as Razer did for the 1650 MAX-Q), but even then it would still be in the ballpark of $1000 (give or take a few hundred bucks).

 

Time will tell! ?

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13 hours ago, MadDuke said:

we need as much competition on the lower to mid range as possible. :)

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