Next Generation AMD Mobility 7nm CPUs Landing In Q1 2020, Will Bring AMD Gaming Laptops Price Down To $699

[MadDuke]

OK, this is huge.  Firstly.  Intel price premiums are huge.  Now coming a bit down (especially on HEDT) but on Mobile (and server) they are really, really big.

 

I know that for the most people here the most interesting part will be those 4-6 core parts paired with a dedicated GPU, but for me. 

 

All I really want is a freaking capable 4C8T (6C12T would be even better potentially, but not required on my side honestly) parts with an integrated "higherish core count" Navi GPU and an awesome battery life.

 

I love my Intel Ultrabook (HP Elitebook 840 G5 I got ridiculously cheap) but what I'm missing is a capable GPU part to do some occasional gaming in 1080P .

 

Not even gonna comment on how I would like to see someone actually cramming something like an 7nm Zen2+Navi APU with a maximum 100 watt hour battery honestly. 

I work using web apps in a browser, but I do photo editing, video editing a bit and occasional gaming on the go and this combo would be a dream come true. Hopefully with a nice collection of ports (something I'm really really really satisfied with the current HP machine mentioned earlier).   So,  HP Elitebook style or a Thinkpad would be my dream come true. And it's a machine  (except a change of battery) that I would use for the next 5 years literally.

 

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I wasn't sure at that time whether AMD was targetting a holiday season 2019 launch or CES 2020 but it looks like they are angling for CES 2020 because I have received confirmation of availability from the first quarter of 2020. Here's the kicker though: AMD's next-generation mobility parts will include a 6-core 7nm Ryzen processor that will bring the cost of AMD gaming laptops with discrete graphics down to just $699 - a pretty steep price cut for the average consumer.

Link to article:

https://wccftech.com/exclusive-next-generation-amd-7nm-mobility-cpu-apu-laptop-price-down-699/

[Jurrunio]

15 minutes ago, MadDuke said:

"higherish core count" Navi GPU

how many exactly?

[MadDuke]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

how many exactly?

Out of my ass?  Because this is on 12nm

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-3780u-microsoft-surface-edition

I would be totally fine with a 4C8T higher boost CPU (same TDP) Zen2 and adding a Nav with 15? "cores".  

Depends what is better. More cores on GPU vs. higher frequency.  Don't know the middle ground on such low parts so I have no idea.

[Sorenson]

The 3000 series of ryzen mobile just came out in July. They might tease the next gen ryzen parts in Q1, but I doubt it will be released until July 2020. AMD rumors tend to get out of hand... 5ghz zen 2 *cough* *cough*

[williamcll]

Honestly I'm fine with a desktop 3600X on a laptop.

[MadDuke]

I wouldn't put it in the same category of course. 5 GHz WITH a die shrink was known to be impossible. Actually. Being able to up the frequency over 12nm was a HUGE achievement. Haven't really seen that happen,.... ever really. 

 

I think it also depends a lot on the TSMC availability of 7nm node. But seeing as the next Desktop, HEDT and server parts are going the 7nm+ (EUV) route. Cranking mobile chips next year on 7nm capacity would make sense. 

 

It's also worth noting that APU parts are a completely different SKU and don't have the chiplet, or chiplet plus IO die design. It's something that is a matter of resources (or lack thereof) with AMD. 

 

So I'm thinking that Zen 2 CPUs might come early on mobile next year, but the APUs will need to wait.

 

It also depends on the next gen consoles (will they be using a more mature 7nm with expanded production lines or 7nm+ (which I don't see happening IMO).  And since we know the production of those will be cranking up all the way for the 2020 holiday season I can see Zen2 + Navi APUs on desktop and mobile coming around Q3 even. 

 

 

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, MadDuke said:

Out of my ass?  Because this is on 12nm

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-3780u-microsoft-surface-edition

I would be totally fine with a 4C8T higher boost CPU (same TDP) Zen2 and adding a Nav with 15? "cores".  

Depends what is better. More cores on GPU vs. higher frequency.  Don't know the middle ground on such low parts so I have no idea.

because 7nm's production is limited. Not sure if you've heard of rumours that TSMC can't take new orders, which means it's unlikely for AMD to release a 3rd Navi die design anytime soon. Don't think they'll put the effort to make Navi with GF 12nm either

[MadDuke]

4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

because 7nm's production is limited. Not sure if you've heard of rumours that TSMC can't take new orders, which means it's unlikely for AMD to release a 3rd Navi die design anytime soon. Don't think they'll put the effort to make Navi with GF 12nm either

TSMC 7nm production has a lead time of 6 months (from a month ago). And that is for new orders so it's not that limited. 

 

[porina]

WCCF: using as many words as possible for little to no information transfer.

 

Are these just mobile CPUs then? Not APUs? Anyway, are these higher power mobile CPUs? By higher, I mean like in 45W TDP class, not the 15-25W TDP class junk in thin and lights. IMO CPU has never been the problem for a gaming laptop, it's the GPU. We need power efficient GPUs to make gaming laptops both a better experience and more affordable. nvidia aren't bad but AMD don't currently have anything great in that space. 7nm should open the doors on both sides.

[cj09beira]

8 hours ago, MadDuke said:

 

It's also worth noting that APU parts are a completely different SKU and don't have the chiplet, or chiplet plus IO die design. It's something that is a matter of resources (or lack thereof) with AMD. 

 

 

 

the io die thing is for power reasons, remember the io die on ryzen uses close to 30w, which is a lot, for lower power it might still be best to use monolithic dies 

[Humbug]

I'm mostly excited about the RDNA graphics. Will make for some kick ass APUs, because the amount of performance you get out of each compute unit is so much more than GCN, and on APU you have limited space.

 

Random thought- technically what's to stop AMD from modifying the big Zen2+Navi APU which they designed for the next gen consoles into a laptop? They can downclock it to stay cool. That would be an epic gaming laptop. Too big and power hungry?

 

So far AMD has really not prioritized the laptop market. They have been more focused on higher margin sectors. Laptops are low margin but very high volume. Only if TSMC can guarantee enough 7nm supply does it make sense for AMD to go here.

[GOTSpectrum]

21 minutes ago, Humbug said:

Random thought- technically what's to stop AMD from modifying the big Zen2+Navi APU which they designed for the next gen consoles into a laptop? They can downclock it to stay cool. That would be an epic gaming laptop. Too big and power hungry?

Personally, I think a great way to go about this is to use the defective dies, you get a SoC with 2 cores not working, its junked, not think they could throw it into a laptop downcloed and off you go! Practically free silicon as it would only have been thrown away anyway.

[Orcblood]

Please AMD, I need a Zen 2 (6 or 8 core laptop with good GPU capable of gaming) and don't want to get Intel. Due for a work laptop upgrade next year and can basically get what I want company funded, but I'm not going to skimp just to support AMD. It would pain me to have to get Intel so I'm desperately hoping  they will have something good by than that isn't a giant brick of a laptop. Something like a razer blade would be ideal. 

[Doobeedoo]

Yeah the Zen2 and Navi APU wil be great to see especially mobile. As well as Navi dGPU offerings too. Everything being 7nm these gotta take the back seat ans wait. 

[Humbug]

46 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Yeah the Zen2 and Navi APU wil be great to see especially mobile. As well as Navi dGPU offerings too. Everything being 7nm these gotta take the back seat ans wait. 

As far as the dGPUs for laptops go... Even if nvidia has a 10% advantage in perf/watt it makes sense for the laptop vendors to go with geforce. On desktop power usage doesn't matter much. I agree the AMD APUs should be killer though.

 

The problem is for AMD to start prioritizing laptops then need to be sure TSMC has ample 7nm supply. Cause when wafer constrained they can make more money by focusing on the higher margin parts: Epyc, then Threadripper, then Ryzen, then navi desktop GPUs. Whereas laptop stuff would be lower margin and high volume which will eat up all their capacity.

[Doobeedoo]

21 minutes ago, Humbug said:

As far as the dGPUs for laptops go... Even if nvidia has a 10% advantage in perf/watt it makes sense for the laptop vendors to go with geforce. On desktop power usage doesn't matter much. I agree the AMD APUs should be killer though.

 

The problem is for AMD to start prioritizing laptops then need to be sure TSMC has ample 7nm supply. Cause when wafer constrained they can make more money by focusing on the higher margin parts: Epyc, then Threadripper, then Ryzen, then navi desktop GPUs. Whereas laptop stuff would be lower margin and high volume which will eat up all their capacity.

Yeah they do need to prioritize product lineups and can't do all at once, which would be dope though. There's the RX5500m so more models will be interesting to see.

[Results45]

EDIT: there gaming laptops weighing as little as 2.8lbs going for as little as $700 right now, but we shall see if AMD can get us something more powerful than the GTX 1650 at that price point. 

Spoiler

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• https://www.consumerreports.org/products/laptop/msi-prestige-ps42-modern-074-398481/overview/
• https://www.amazon.com/MSI-PS42-Modern-074-14-FHD-1050-16GB/dp/B07PFGGGQF/
• https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-VivoBook-15-K570UD-i7-8550U-GTX-1050-Laptop-Review.317392.0.html
• https://www.amazon.com/Vivobook-IPS-Level-GeForce-Graphics-Fingerprint/dp/B07SXST6P9/
• https://www.notebookcheck.net/No-Intel-Required-Asus-TUF-FX505DT-Laptop-Review-with-Ryzen-7-and-GeForce-GTX-1650.426695.0.html
• https://www.amazon.com/R5-3550H-Processor-Graphics-FX505DT-AH51-Keyboard/dp/B07VBK4SYS/

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[MadDuke]

Why is everyone mentioning laptop market as a low margin one? 

 

Intel 8250u  (on my market the chip within the biggest number of laptop models according to aggregate site  of all stores in the country) costs 300 bu

i5-8265U is the same price and 8550u is 400 bucks (same as 8565U).  

Last but not least 8750H is also 400 bucks, but that is 35-45W territory compared to 10-25W configurable on the previous ones.

 

Just these models own most of the market share in laptops,

14 hours ago, cj09beira said:

the io die thing is for power reasons, remember the io die on ryzen uses close to 30w, which is a lot, for lower power it might still be best to use monolithic dies 

The point was that you can't reuse any part for the APU die. 

[Bananasplit_00]

On 10/11/2019 at 4:12 AM, MadDuke said:

 

I love my Intel Ultrabook (HP Elitebook 840 G5 I got ridiculously cheap) but what I'm missing is a capable GPU part to do some occasional gaming in 1080P

So you want the zbook then?.. Same chassie just with a GPU

 

[Kisai]

On 10/10/2019 at 7:12 PM, MadDuke said:

 

I love my Intel Ultrabook (HP Elitebook 840 G5 I got ridiculously cheap) but what I'm missing is a capable GPU part to do some occasional gaming in 1080P .

 

 

You will not see a capable GPU in a 14" laptop. It is not possible. To use the phrase at the office "That will melt."

 

Basically all 12-14" laptops are rubbish tier performance, by design, because they are too thin to dissipate the necessary heat. This is why you don't see dedicated GPU parts in the Surface Pro tablet/laptops and anything in that ultrabook form factor.

 

At best, "APU" AMD parts might bring up the floor on gaming laptops, but in general, every time a newer CPU/APU/GPU has come out, the OEM's have instead made the chassis smaller, and sacrificed any performance gains with a better chip by using a cheaper slower chip and a smaller battery.

[Trixanity]

12 hours ago, Kisai said:

 

You will not see a capable GPU in a 14" laptop. It is not possible. To use the phrase at the office "That will melt."

 

Basically all 12-14" laptops are rubbish tier performance, by design, because they are too thin to dissipate the necessary heat. This is why you don't see dedicated GPU parts in the Surface Pro tablet/laptops and anything in that ultrabook form factor.

 

At best, "APU" AMD parts might bring up the floor on gaming laptops, but in general, every time a newer CPU/APU/GPU has come out, the OEM's have instead made the chassis smaller, and sacrificed any performance gains with a better chip by using a cheaper slower chip and a smaller battery.

The 13" Razer Stealth has a GTX 1650 option. So I guess you could call that statement false. It's probably throttling like hell but still: there are lots of laptops with dedicated graphics in thin form factors. You'll just have to accept the hefty price tag and the overheating causing throttling.

[MadDuke]

On 10/14/2019 at 7:23 PM, Trixanity said:

The 13" Razer Stealth has a GTX 1650 option. So I guess you could call that statement false. It's probably throttling like hell but still: there are lots of laptops with dedicated graphics in thin form factors. You'll just have to accept the hefty price tag and the overheating causing throttling.

Ergo why I wish a slightly more powerful APU part. Just going 10W more and utilizing 7nm should accomplish that. 

[mr moose]

On 10/12/2019 at 1:01 PM, MadDuke said:

Why is everyone mentioning laptop market as a low margin one? 

 

 

Because traditionally it is.  Many OEM's struggle making serious profit from their laptop divisions unless they are huge like levnovo/HP (who make most their coin from corporate upgrades). 

 

But more importantly, what has Intel's prices got to do with the concept of AMD releasing better 7nm parts in a few years?

[MeatFeastMan]

Speaking of mobile 7nm CPU's, look at this beauty that Komachi found in an AMD document!

 

https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/product-master.pdf

 

Page 553...Renoir Ryzen 9 on the FP6 socket!

In 15w and..

45w and I know this isn't relevant to this thread necessarily but..

Best of all..Renoir AM4? What on earth?

Just to say, those aren't the only things found in here. Threadripper 3000 is also slotted in, and a R7 3750x and all sorts of little gems in there.

[Energycore]

On 10/10/2019 at 9:49 PM, Sorenson said:

The 3000 series of ryzen mobile just came out in July. They might tease the next gen ryzen parts in Q1, but I doubt it will be released until July 2020. AMD rumors tend to get out of hand... 5ghz zen 2 *cough* *cough*

Hype is the only thing AMD's marketing lives on