280 aio vs 360 aio

[Dean.P.]

Which would perform better, 280 or a 360 aio (i'm guessing 360), also, any ideas how one would perform compared to a Noctua NH-D15 in peak thermals on a 3900x/ to be 3950x?

 

[jj9987]

360 radiator has larger area, so in theory it should be better. But that's not the whole story. Look up the models you are interested in and read their reviews.

[WoodenMarker]

Which AIO's are you looking at in particular? Have you tried looking up benchmarks?

[Dean.P.]

21 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Which AIO's are you looking at in particular? Have you tried looking up benchmarks?

I've looked at the EVGA ones they're supposedly the best if you don't care so much for noise. I like the NZXT 6 year warranty but I think my preference is the Corsair H150i pro. However, essentially they all use the gen 5/ gen 6 pump from Asutek (or however they're spelt) and the rad comes from somewhere else so the only distinguishing difference is the fans and rgb bling. I was wondering on user experience from others on the forum to their preference and if someone has gone from say a top air cooler like the NH-D15 to a top 360 aio and whether they'd be much of a difference in thermal imrpovemnt on 3rd gen ryzen. 

[WoodenMarker]

13 minutes ago, Dean.P. said:

I've looked at the EVGA ones they're supposedly the best if you don't care so much for noise. I like the NZXT 6 year warranty but I think my preference is the Corsair H150i pro. However, essentially they all use the gen 5/ gen 6 pump from Asutek (or however they're spelt) and the rad comes from somewhere else so the only distinguishing difference is the fans and rgb bling. I was wondering on user experience from others on the forum to their preference and if someone has gone from say a top air cooler like the NH-D15 to a top 360 aio and whether they'd be much of a difference in thermal imrpovemnt on 3rd gen ryzen. 

Provided that the rad isn't choking up against a restrictive panel, the 280 / 360mm should perform better. A 360mm can perform considerably better than a 280mm but only sometimes. 280mm's seem to have more reliable performance but the improvements over coolers like the NH-D15 are less extreme. I think the reason why 360mm's aren't strictly better is because the pumps aren't particularly powerful.

If you're aiming for performance, I'd recommend the CLC 360 over the H150i Pro. The gen 5 pump seems to perform a bit better. https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3499-evga-clc-360-liquid-cooler-review-noise-normalized-thermals

 

What case are you using and where were you planning to mount the cooler?

Where are you shopping / located and what kind of prices are you looking at?

[Dean.P.]

7 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Provided that the rad isn't choking up against a restrictive panel, the 280 / 360mm should perform better. A 360mm can perform considerably better than a 280mm but only sometimes. 280mm's seem to have more reliable performance but the improvements over coolers like the NH-D15 are less extreme. I think the reason why 360mm's aren't strictly better is because the pumps aren't particularly powerful.

If you're aiming for performance, I'd recommend the CLC 360 over the H150i Pro. The gen 5 pump seems to perform a bit better. https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3499-evga-clc-360-liquid-cooler-review-noise-normalized-thermals

 

What case are you using and where were you planning to mount the cooler?

Where are you shopping / located and what kind of prices are you looking at?

I'm running a fractal design meshify C which just about fits a 360 rad in the front. I'm located in the UK and i'd probably say about £150-£200 max

[WoodenMarker]

2 minutes ago, Dean.P. said:

I'm running a fractal design meshify C which just about fits a 360 rad in the front. I'm located in the UK and i'd probably say about £150-£200 max

Why in particular do you prefer the H150i? 

Are there any particular features you're looking for in a cooler besides performance?

[Dean.P.]

34 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Why in particular do you prefer the H150i? 

Are there any particular features you're looking for in a cooler besides performance?

Mainly because the amazon reviews seem good, I believe the performance is supposed to be marginally better than the X72 and it's also about £138 here at the moment.  

[WoodenMarker]

1 minute ago, Dean.P. said:

Mainly because the amazon reviews seem good, I believe the performance is supposed to be marginally better than the X72 and it's also about £138 here at the moment.  

The Kraken X72 is slightly better from what I've seen but it could just be from lack of sample size. The main difference I've seen is that H150i Pro has more bad showings. 

Some referenced here: 

 

So are you just after performance? Is there any regard for acoustics or preference for aesthetics?

[Dean.P.]

6 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

The Kraken X72 is slightly better from what I've seen but it could just be from lack of sample size. The main difference I've seen is that H150i Pro has more bad showings. 

Some referenced here: 

 

So are you just after performance? Is there any regard for acoustics or preference for aesthetics?

Well I have a NH-D15 at the moment so aesthetics isn't a big deal to me so definitely performance in fact if that's why I like the EVGA 360 aio for the little rgb implementation, however it's a fairly new and untested product which kinda freaks me. That being said not open loop I know that's the best after a water chiller. From some places I've seen a good AIO can be ~10C better than the NH-D15 on peak loads.  

[WoodenMarker]

Just now, Dean.P. said:

Well I have a NH-D15 at the moment so aesthetics isn't a big deal to me so definitely performance in fact if that's why I like the EVGA 360 aio for the little rgb implementation, however it's a fairly new and untested product which kinda freaks me. That being said not open loop I know that's the best after a water chiller. From some places I've seen a good AIO can be ~10C better than the NH-D15 on peak loads.  

Why not use the NH-D15 first if you already have it? You can always decide on whether or not replace it later after seeing temps. If you want a bit more performance, you can try higher rpm 140mm fans on the cooler if you don't mind the extra noise.

[Dean.P.]

5 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Why not use the NH-D15 first if you already have it? You can always decide on whether or not replace it later after seeing temps. If you want a bit more performance, you can try higher rpm 140mm fans on the cooler if you don't mind the extra noise.

The temps on the NH-D15 are great the hottest I get the package temps on the 3900x are 71C on small FFTs in P95, however if there was a clc360 that could cool better allowing it to boost higher I would swap. That's why I was wondering what could do better, I run a lot of simulations so higher compute performance and faster times are a huge benefit

[WoodenMarker]

3 hours ago, Dean.P. said:

The temps on the NH-D15 are great the hottest I get the package temps on the 3900x are 71C on small FFTs in P95, however if there was a clc360 that could cool better allowing it to boost higher I would swap. That's why I was wondering what could do better, I run a lot of simulations so higher compute performance and faster times are a huge benefit

Are you using PBO already? 71c isn't very high. 

There's a bit to be gained but it's not massive. https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3492-ryzen-cpu-thermals-matter-coolers-and-cases

I don't think it's worth spending so much for a small improvement unless you just have money to blow. 

 

If you want to do it anyway, the ML360R RGB or Silent Loop 360 with either additional or replacement NF-P12's for push / pull would probably be best for performance. 

https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-accessories/computer-components/cooling/water-cooling/complete-systems/cooler-master-masterliquid-ml360r-rgb-3x120mm--p4922575

https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-accessories/computer-components/cooling/water-cooling/complete-systems/be-quiet!-silent-loop-360mm-3x120mm--p4379894

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/VNBTwP/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-708-cfm-120mm-fan-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm

 

If you'd prefer the longer warranty, The Kraken X72 has 6 years and also performs well. https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-accessories/computer-components/cooling/water-cooling/complete-systems/nzxt-kraken-x72-360mm-3x120mm--p4717026

[Votivee]

Check out the chart at 8:55 for a good comparison of all the coolers and sizes.

[Dean.P.]

9 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

The Kraken X72 is slightly better from what I've seen but it could just be from lack of sample size. The main difference I've seen is that H150i Pro has more bad showings. 

Some referenced here: 

 

So are you just after performance? Is there any regard for acoustics or preference for aesthetics?

Yeah I've also heard good things about the ML360 R apart from the installation is apparently a mare with all the rgb cables etc, but thank you!

 

3 hours ago, Votivee said:

Check out the chart at 8:55 for a good comparison of all the coolers and sizes.

Thanks, this actually proved quite useful!