NVIDIA moves to Samsung EUV 7nm from TSMC for 1H2020 GPU launch

[MadDuke]

I'm here more focused on the moving from TSMC to Samsung fabs part then the (quite likely) confirmed rumor of the GPU launch.

I think this move could greatly benefit both NVIDIA and AMD.  Simply put. Seeing the volume AMD is putting out with Ryzen which should only increase in the mid-term. Seeing as their both GPUs and CPUs are on 7nm with a plan to move the next year CPU to 7nm+.  Capacity wise together with apple this looks like a sound move.

 

Intro from the original article:

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"Ladies and gents, we have our third confirmation of NVIDIA’s Ampere-based graphics card launching in 2020. While we previously knew they were going to launch in 2020, we didn’t know which half and thanks to the report by Igor’s Lab we know it’s going to be sooner rather than later. Leaked EEC certification and a report by Taiwan’s top tech publication, Digitimes, puts the Ampere graphics card on Samsung’s 7nm node and will represent a significant performance upgrade over Turing counterparts."

 

Original article:

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-next-generation-ampere-7nm-graphics-cards-landing-1h-2020/

[S w a t s o n]

The news of them moving to samsung is actually somewhat old.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-nvidia-7nm-ampere-tsmc,39583.html

[MeatFeastMan]

First half 2020 eh? Well, thanks for screwing over so many people who have just bought Super cards! I'm sure they'll be eternally grateful for your actions, Nvidia.

[Unixsystem]

5 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

First half 2020 eh? Well, thanks for screwing over so many people who have just bought Super cards! I'm sure they'll be eternally grateful for your actions, Nvidia.

You're talking about between 9 months and a year between the Super launch and Ampere. 

 

If you don't want to get "screwed over" by newer versions of existing products being released, then just never buy anything ever. 

[Princess Luna]

17 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

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Because waiting 5 or more months when you want/need it today is fine right?

 

Buyers remorse is real but yeah we can't just always wait the next best thing.... either ways I can not wait to phase out my 1080 Ti and buy a 3080 Ti

[Arika]

19 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

First half 2020 eh? Well, thanks for screwing over so many people who have just bought Super cards! I'm sure they'll be eternally grateful for your actions, Nvidia.

i agree, how dare they try and make their new products better than their last ones!

[melete]

29 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

First half 2020 eh? Well, thanks for screwing over so many people who have just bought Super cards! I'm sure they'll be eternally grateful for your actions, Nvidia.

Who could have foreseen that there'd be new GPUs in the future! There's only a new GPU every 9-18 months!

 

I bought a Super card and I don't really care if there's a faster card in the future. That's just how PC hardware goes.

[Anomnomnomaly]

I don't have a problem with them releasing new cards... but how often do people really replace theirs? I skip at least 2 generations on average... my last 3 cards have the R9 280X, the RX580 and now the RX5700XT. Technically the 580 to the 5700 is only a single generation... but it was a little over 2yrs between them and I only paid £105 for my RX580 brand new (Amazon price guarantee mistake). If I'd paid the retail £300 or so... I wouldn't have upgraded right now. and I got a good deal on the 5700XT, so both those cards only cost me £430... or £215 each on average.

 

So if AMD don't have a response to the next gen of nVida cards... they'll just bump the prices again... and rumoured big Navi is only supposed to be on par with the 2080 super... so could be lagging behind if/when it comes out next year... Hopefully the RDNA will mature and be competitive with the high end... and drive down prices for the benefit of everyone.

[Unixsystem]

8 minutes ago, melete said:

Who could have foreseen that there'd be new GPUs in the future! There's only a new GPU every 9-18 months! 

And that's not even accounting for the fact that the Super lineup is a pretty minor refresh of cards that will be 18+ months old by the time Ampere rolls around. 

 

If anything I'm honestly pretty disappointed that we are getting nothing meaningful from Nvidia this entire year. The Super cards are fine, but they are basically just wheel spinning while we wait for the (hopefully) big next generational leap. 

[Brooksie359]

6 hours ago, MeatFeastMan said:

First half 2020 eh? Well, thanks for screwing over so many people who have just bought Super cards! I'm sure they'll be eternally grateful for your actions, Nvidia.

If you were a real pc enthusiast then you would want pc hardware to get better as fast as possible and not stagnate just so people don't have to feel bad about buyers remorse. I mean if you buy a card that gives you excellent performance then there really should be no buyers remorse. This sentiment honestly baffles me beyond belief. I guess we should praise Intel for making the i7 2600k make people feel really good about their purchase by doing nothing for 5 generations of cpus. 

[realpetertdm]

Would this move bring any kind of performance improvements compared to using TSMC's 7nm line?

[bcredeur97]

16 hours ago, Waffles13 said:

You're talking about between 9 months and a year between the Super launch and Ampere. 

 

If you don't want to get "screwed over" by newer versions of existing products being released, then just never buy anything ever. 

Ppl forget that you don’t have to upgrade every generation

 

more like every 3 or 4 lol

[WereCatf]

I'm hoping to see NVENC/NVDEC - support for AV1. That'll get me to buy a new GPU when they launch.

[Deli]

16 hours ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

So if AMD don't have a response to the next gen of nVida cards... they'll just bump the prices again... and rumoured big Navi is only supposed to be on par with the 2080 super... so could be lagging behind if/when it comes out next year... Hopefully the RDNA will mature and be competitive with the high end... and drive down prices for the benefit of everyone.

If AMD doesn't have anything to compete at the high end. Nvidia will act like Nvidia, prices its top end card as high as they want. $1999 RTX 3080Ti is coming. The more you pay, the more you save.

[williamcll]

Will future galaxy phones come with ray tracing?

[realpetertdm]

34 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Will future galaxy phones come with ray tracing?

Probably not, since Samsung is partnering with AMD for their GPUs. But if AMD does put in raytracing tech then we could be seeing some of that in Samsung devices.

[AlTech]

21 hours ago, realpetertdm said:

Would this move bring any kind of performance improvements compared to using TSMC's 7nm line?

Probably not. The most likely reason why they're going with Samsung is cos TSMC is kinda already over-comitted to its existing customers and there's no way Nvidia could get production started until around February 2020 with TSMC since TSMC now has a 6 month lead time for 7nm products.

 

AMD is in the door now because they got in early but TSMC needs to scale up their 7nm to be full production cos right now it's nowhere near full production capacity.

 

Samsung is only just starting their 7nm EUV now so I would expect new Nvidia cards no sooner than June or July 2020.

[realpetertdm]

11 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Probably not. The most likely reason why they're going with Samsung is cos TSMC is kinda already over-comitted to its existing customers and there's no way Nvidia could get production started until around February 2020 with TSMC since TSMC now has a 6 month lead time for 7nm products.

 

AMD is in the door now because they got in early but TSMC needs to scale up their 7nm to be full production cos right now it's nowhere near full production capacity.

 

Samsung is only just starting their 7nm EUV now so I would expect new Nvidia cards no sooner than June or July 2020.

I thought Samsung's 7nm EUV process was already ready for mass production back in Q2?

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

I thought Samsung's 7nm EUV process was already ready for mass production back in Q2?

Not for High Performance silicon it wasn't.

 

TSMC and Samsung have High Performance processes and Low Power processors. Low Power 7nm EUV has been good for a while iirc. It's just that High Performance is slow to ramp up right now.

Edit: And to clarify what the differences between them are, high performance processes are the ones that can do 4GHz or higher. Low power processes have a bad time trying to go above 3GHz but they're super efficient and power sipping.

[realpetertdm]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not for High Performance silicon it wasn't.

 

TSMC and Samsung have High Performance processes and Low Power processors. Low Power 7nm EUV has been good for a while iirc. It's just that High Performance is slow to ramp up right now.

Oh, got it. Thanks

[BiG StroOnZ]

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NVIDIA's next-gen Ampere GPU will launch in 1H 2020. The first Ampere GPU will possibly be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti killer.

A new EEC certification was spotted by DigiTimes and teases Ampere-powered GeForce graphics cards (picked up by WCCFTech). There's nothing new here about its release, but we should expect a big upgrade in performance with Ampere on the 7nm node (over the 14nm node used on Turing). NVIDIA will be fighting AMD's second-gen Navi GPU architecture in the second half of 2020, something that will enable proper 4K 60FPS gaming -- and I'm sure, feature ray tracing of some kind. NVIDIA's next-gen Ampere GPU should hopefully enable higher resolution and frame rates with ray tracing enabled, something that I'm sure it will have no problems doing.
 

 

Source: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/67946/yep-nvidias-next-gen-ampere-gpu-launch-1h-2020/index.html

[mr moose]

On 10/6/2019 at 1:31 AM, bcredeur97 said:

Ppl forget that you don’t have to upgrade every generation

 

more like every 3 or 4 lol

This is the biggest issue I find on forums these days,  People love to tell us how shit Company X (cough cough Intel/Nvidia cough) is being for releasing a new product that is much better too soon or that requires a new motherboard.  but these people don't upgrade every gen, they go 5 years on average between major upgrades.  It's basically complaining for the sake of complaining. 

 

Comments like "last gen buyers being screwed over"  actually prove to us that these companies are not sandbagging and pumping out new tech often.

[Valentyn]

21 minutes ago, mr moose said:

This is the biggest issue I find on forums these days,  People love to tell us how shit Company X (cough cough Intel/Nvidia cough) is being for releasing a new product that is much better too soon or that requires a new motherboard.  but these people don't upgrade every gen, they go 5 years on average between major upgrades.  It's basically complaining for the sake of complaining. 

 

Comments like "last gen buyers being screwed over"  actually prove to us that these companies are not sandbagging and pumping out new tech often.

YOU SHUT YOUR GAD DANG ACCURATE MOUTH!

I'll upgrade eventually.....

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

YOU SHUT YOUR GAD DANG ACCURATE MOUTH!

I'll upgrade eventually.....

It's O.K, I got to 8 years on my last build and only upgraded because I wanted to not because I had to (my old system still works fine for everything I do). 

[Valentyn]

Just now, mr moose said:

It's O.K, I got to 8 years on my last build and only upgraded because I wanted to not because I had to (my old system still works fine for everything I do). 

I keep meaning to upgrade for more cores, but then X299 was a hot mess, and Threadripper had issues, and now the 3900X is MIA. Now I'm thinking maybe next year, for Whatever-Late from Intel, or Zen 3; with a new 7nm GPU.