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The Librem 5 - The fully open source Linux phone is finally shipping

I've been wanting an alternative to iOS and Android for a long time. And if this project is a success, we'll finally have an option. And it's an option that gives you full control, as Linux tends to do!

 

Read more here:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/purisms-librem-5-phone-starts-shipping-a-fully-open-gnulinux-phone/

 

"The internal construction of the Librem 5 is absolutely wild. While smartphones today are mostly a single mainboard with every component integrated into it, the Librem 5 actually has a pair of M.2 slots that house full-size, off-the-shelf LTE and Wi-Fi cards for connectivity, just like what you would find in an old laptop. The M.2 sockets look massive on top of the tiny phone motherboard, but you could probably replace or upgrade the cards if you wanted."

 

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Just now, Nowak said:

And it doesn't follow stupid "modern" design trends, nice

I do really like that about it, yeah. Give be a brick that I can tear down and fix any day!

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1 minute ago, Ruckus42 said:

I do really like that about it, yeah. Give be a brick that I can tear down and fix any day!

I won't be getting it myself because I already have a perfectly functional Galaxy S9 and also I don't think it'll work on Verizon but hey

 

hopefully it'll see some moderate amount of attention, maybe more than windows phone and firefox os ever did

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1 minute ago, Nowak said:

I won't be getting it myself because I already have a perfectly functional Galaxy S9 and also I don't think it'll work on Verizon but hey

 

hopefully it'll see some moderate amount of attention, maybe more than windows phone and firefox os ever did

True, I'm on Verizon too and it's the only thing that works in my town, so I'm probably out of luck there.

 

@Linus Review please?

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I have seen this happen 3 other times. Remember how great the ubuntu phone was going to be?

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That is....hideous. Looks like an entry level Nokia phone from 7 years ago.

I don't even know if I'd want to guess at how shit the battery life will be.

On top of that, it's a 720p screen, emmc storage, only supports wireless N WiFi...for $699 US?
 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

I have seen this happen 3 other times. Remember how great the ubuntu phone was going to be?

tbh I almost forgot that was a thing

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I have seen this happen 3 other times. Remember how great the ubuntu phone was going to be?

Guess what, the Ubuntu phone just got released. See above. ;)

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2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

That is....hideous. Looks like an entry level Nokia phone from 7 years ago.

I don't even know if I'd want to guess at how shit the battery life will be.

On top of that, it's a 720p screen, eemc storage, only supports wireless N WiFi...for $699 US?
 

What a joke.

It's a first gen product and the first of it's kind. So yes, it's bound to be expensive and a little rough around the edges (although I personally like the chunky modular design). The OS is the real selling point here for people who value privacy. If it becomes popular, the future iterations will be much more polished and feature-rich.

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"Checking..."? How bloody slow is it if you have to wait for it to unlock?


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Powering everything is an SoC from NXP: a 1.5GHz i.MX 8M Quad. This chip is four Cortex A53 cores built on a 28nm process. If you're looking for a rough Qualcomm equivalent, you'll have to scroll all the way to the bottom of Qualcomm's lineup to find the Qualcomm (not even Snapdragon branded) 215, a 1.3GHz quad-core Cortex A53 chip also built on a 28nm process.

In other words, nearly any phone you buy today will have a more powerful, more power-efficient CPU than the Librem 5—even $160 Android phones are now packing eight-core SoCs built on more power-efficient manufacturing processes. That $700 price Purism is asking (more than a OnePlus 7 Pro!) is the price you pay for a niche smartphone with none of the economies of scale you get with normal smartphone parts.

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1 minute ago, Ruckus42 said:

It's a first gen product and the first of it's kind. So yes, it's bound to be expensive and a little rough around the edges (although I personally like the chunky modular design). The OS is the real selling point here for people who value privacy. If it becomes popular, the future iterations will be much more polished and feature-rich.

Uh, no. Being a first gen product is no excuse for using antiquated WiFi, a low res screen, an SoC that doesn't even compare to a Qualcomm 200 series chip, and so many components that it's sure to be a huge drain on battery life. It's simply poor design.

 

There are other phones that also have privacy in mind, like the Blackphone 2...which was released almost 5 years ago...and even it came with a 1080p screen.

Kind of makes you think, no?

 

It won't become popular, and it's going to be a niche product that will surely die off. I'd be shocked if they even break even.

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Uh, no. Being a first gen product is no excuse for using antiquated WiFi, a low res screen, an SoC that doesn't even compare to a Qualcomm 200 series chip, and so many components that it's sure to be a huge drain on battery life. It's simply poor design.

 

There are other phones that also have privacy in mind, like the Blackphone 2...which was released almost 5 years ago...and even it came with a 1080p screen.

Kind of makes you think, no?

 

It won't become popular, and it's going to be a niche product that will surely die off. I'd be shocked if they even break even.

I'm sure that all 15 remaining Windows Phone users will eat this shit up.

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I'm sure that all 15 remaining Windows Phone users will eat this shit up.

Except they'll complain that they had 10x the number of apps on Windows Phone...

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Except they'll complain that they had 10x the number of apps on Windows Phone...

Where's the lie tho

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Uh, no. Being a first gen product is no excuse for using antiquated WiFi, a low res screen, an SoC that doesn't even compare to a Qualcomm 200 series chip, and so many components that it's sure to be a huge drain on battery life. It's simply poor design.

 

There are other phones that also have privacy in mind, like the Blackphone 2...which was released almost 5 years ago...and even it came with a 1080p screen.

Kind of makes you think, no?

 

It won't become popular, and it's going to be a niche product that will surely die off. I'd be shocked if they even break even.

Yeah, you're right, it is very low-spec. I see it as more of a tinker toy at this point, and an expensive one at that. 

 

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Except they'll complain that they had 10x the number of apps on Windows Phone...

They were talking about getting it to run Android apps. Doesn't look like they've cracked that yet though.

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Mmmm, niche phone that'll never be useful to anyone outside of being a bizarre toy. Haven't heard of this before, not at all.

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2 minutes ago, Ruckus42 said:

Yeah, you're right, it is very low-spec. I see it as more of a tinker toy at this point, and an expensive one at that. 

 

They were talking about getting it to run Android apps. Doesn't look like they've cracked that yet though.

Which is why it'll never succeed.

Haha, yeah, ask Blackberry how well that worked for them...

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Where's the lie tho

That's the point ;)

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1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Which is why it'll never succeed.

Well, being an open-source project, it's entirely possible another hardware manufacturer could knock something together with higher specs and plop the OS on there, since that work has been done. I'm way more interested in the OS than the hardware.

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“Sounds good, doesn’t work.”

 

Actually it doesn’t even sound good. It just looks like a terrible phone from all objective measures. 

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4 hours ago, Spotty said:

"Checking..."? How bloody slow is it if you have to wait for it to unlock?

 

 

Check the unlock at about 5 seconds in.  Looks like you don't have to wait long. 

If anything, I'd say it unlocks faster than my S9+ does on Lineage OS. 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, dizmo said:

Being a first gen product is no excuse for using antiquated WiFi, a low res screen, an SoC that doesn't even compare to a Qualcomm 200 series chip, and so many components that it's sure to be a huge drain on battery life. It's simply poor design.

 

There are other phones that also have privacy in mind, like the Blackphone 2...which was released almost 5 years ago...and even it came with a 1080p screen.

Kind of makes you think, no?

Looks like hey wanted to buy open-source hardware as much as possible instead of making their own or relying on closed-source stuff.  Seeing as all the main cellphone component manufacturers make everything closed-source, that kinda limits them to the lower end of the spectrum ... or in this case parts that were never designed for smartphone use at all.  

 

The Blackphones had reasonable specs because Silent Circle relied solely on their hardened version of Android and their apps to do all the privacy stuff.  The hardware itself was closed-source and hence no more privacy-oriented than the average Android phone's hardware.

It's worth noting that their software is closed-source as well, which makes it much harder to verify their claims.  Security through obscurity usually doesn't last. 

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind getting one, but I'm not ordering it directly from Purism.  That kind of international package is certain to be detoured to a 3-letter agency for the installation of additional software. I'm not taking that chance. 

Besides, I already spent way too much on phones the last couple of years.  I'm very unlikely to buy a new one in the next 4 or 5 years.

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8 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

Check the unlock at about 5 seconds in.  Looks like you don't have to wait long. 

If anything, I'd say it unlocks faster than my S9+ does on Lineage OS. 

Ah, that is much better with the video.

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52 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

 

 

 

Looks like hey wanted to buy open-source hardware as much as possible instead of making their own or relying on closed-source stuff.  Seeing as all the main cellphone component manufacturers make everything closed-source, that kinda limits them to the lower end of the spectrum ... or in this case parts that were never designed for smartphone use at all.  

 

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Considering the Raspberry Pi of all things now rocks Cortex A72s, I don't see why the need to settle for low clocked Cortex A53s.

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Tbh I think this is more of a proof of concept. They showed that you can build an entirely FoSS phone, without Android or proprietary firmware, and that you can actually ship it. I was actually just thinking about this very topic a few days ago and I wasn't sure if it would be possible in any practical manner. This phone is definitely more than I would have expected. It looks somewhat decent. Yeah, it's not a modern phone, it looks more like an Android phone in its early days, not a modern phone who a normal user would want to buy now. And I don't think anyone should really buy it, except for the people who are really interested in the topic of an open source linux phone and would like to try it out themselves (and who can afford spending $700 just for this).

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