(Solved) EVGA RTX 2070 XC

[Cyberhound_5672]

Note: Below is my specs, and there are 3 versions of my problem. First one is just the questions, and minimal explanation. I recommend reading only 1 of the 3.

CPU: AMD FX-8350 (Unlocked, 4.0ghz base 4.5ghz turbo)

GPU: EVGA RTX 2070 XC Gaming (not ultra, just normal XC Gaming edition)

RAM: 26 GB (mixed up, all DDR3 though, 3x8GB and 1x2GB)

PSU: EVGA 750W

MBD: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (rev 5.0)

I have 2 HDDs, no SSD. 1 of them is a 1tb, other is 500gb. 1tb is filled, also contains my OS.

 

By 4K I mean 3840x2160. I thought this was 2K, but my mistake. Oop.

I've already cleaned out my display drivers, and it made a small difference. Still getting about the same result.

The games seem to be shy to use much more of my CPU, probably because it's slower as in speed, but great

with multi-tasking... All the cores being used ranges from about 35-65% at the "average" of 50% usage.

 

Note: Everything is now solved, besides question 3. I still can't figure out why my GPU is not working with Control, allowing RayTracing. I am having another problem though, my windows will not update. Other then that, the rest is normal. Thank you all.

 

If the basic version is too long:

 

Question 1: Is my GPU suicidal with it's boost clock or something? It hits 1905mhz (Original boost clock is 1715mhz, and I haven't overclocked)

 

Question 2: My CPU never reaches over 50% and sometimes never goes above 40% along the side of my GPU going around 35% and I'm sitting with about 20-50 frames, is this still a bottleneck? (The CPU is deemed to bottleneck the GPU but, at 40%, is it really a bottleneck?)

 

Question 3: I have gotten Control with this GPU, on sale. It won't let me enable raytracing settings, says I need DirectX12 and DRX API as well a RT-Core GPU. I was running DirectX12, MSI Afterburner verified this. Windows 10 is said to have DRX API installed with it, and I have a RTX card, any idea of why this is happening?

 

 

Basic version:

I went up from a very very low power GPU such as a GTX 750 TI, and I never had any problems with my CPU getting past 50% in any game besides GTA V. I got this new amazing GPU, and it's boosting to 1905mhz while the normal boost clock is 1715mhz, I haven't overclocked it and I'm sure of this. I am unsure if that's normal for the XC version, but I'm not that worried. The GPU is aware and it kicks on the fans more then needed to make sure it doesn't spike in temperatures. I'm aware that the combination of my CPU with my GPU is a SEVERE bottleneck, but I always notice that my CPU has NEVER gone above that much more usage then my CPU in all of my games besides Ark, and Minecraft. I did notice once I start streaming on discord with my friend, my CPU finally reaches about 80%. But in games, it never reaches higher then 50% still. I'm unsure if this still means it's bottlenecking my GPU or something else in my system is limiting my CPU which is then in turn bottlenecking my GPU. And again, I know this is a bottleneck in my system. It's ensured to be one. I knew it since I bought this new GPU, but in Unturned it runs only 5 frames better on minimum settings vs maximum, and runs better on 4K in cities (my monitor is 1080p). My 1080p frames on lowest sticks around 45, while in 4K, it sticks around 40-ish. I've looked at my usage for both, my CPU and GPU. Here's what I've observed:

1080p:

GPU: 35-40%

GPU Temp: ~102 F

GPU Memory Clock: 5000-7000, only those 2 numbers.

GPU Core Clock: 1120-1700 and very small slight flickers of 1900

 

CPU: 40-45%

CPU Temp: ~112 F

CPU Clock: I haven't checked. I'm sure it might've been boosting a little.

 

4K:

GPU: 35-40%

GPU Temp: ~104 F

GPU Memory Clock: Pretty stable 7000

GPU Core Clock: 1200-1800

 

CPU: 30-45%

CPU Temp: ~108-112 F

CPU Clock: I haven't checked.

 

Detailed version:

That's what I've observed. And it's about the same for every game, but my GPU doesn't score over 40% on non-intense games. On a game like GTA V, it hits about 50% and while my CPU if streaming hits 80% and if not, sticks around 55%. To me, this seems like a bottleneck... But also that the game isn't using my CPU as much as it needs to. And it's sad to say, my GTX 750 TI ran Unturned better as of now. Only because it was probably doing everything it could and my CPU was just chilling. I notice stable frames near water on low and maximum settings, 4K or 1080p it makes absolutely minimal differences (so little, you'd need an AI to figure it out or some large test). I've recorded the limits, and oddly, my GPU hits voltage limits quite often as well as "no load". Rarely hits power limits, but I haven't done anything to the GPU with MSI Afterburner, and nothing is over-clocked.

Any ideas of why my CPU is really low usage and my computer is still shy with running good in cities and fine on water? And what about the limits? My last question is, for anyone else with the same GPU, does it hit 1905mhz by itself? When mine does, it kicks on the fans to 50% minimum from a stand-still and it doesn't hurt anything, but it's letting me know it's working lol. Again, I know this is a bottleneck, but is this more of a bottleneck then it should be, as in my CPU usage is lower then 60% all the time in every game, still bottleneck?

 

I recently moved up from a GTX 750 TI and an AMD Radeon R7 370. So this is already the most amazing I've ever gamed, I was used to lowest settings possible at 1080p, and maybe 60fps on most games. Some dipped to 40 to 50fps. Nothing below 60fps concerns me, my monitor is just a 31.5" DELL 60hz 1920x1080 monitor, so nothing above 60fps affects me. Most of my games run ok and on maximum settings, I don't play that graphical intensive games and my GPU has only gotten past 40% on Ark, that's the only one that even tested my GPU.

 

Now that the backstory is over, I have a few confusions about my new GPU with my CPU, I am well aware it is a severe bottleneck, but even when I dip below 60fps in a game like Unturned, it runs better at 4K vs 1080p, my monitor's resolution. Once I go into a city I experience about 20-45 fps maximum. My GPU's usage sticks around 40% and the clock speed changes at that point, and that brings me to my first confusion, the RTX 2070's boost clock is 1715mhz as I looked online. I've heard the XC is a little more OC'd version, but it boosts to 1905mhz, I find this odd. However, it's not concerning to me and my CPU is always a screaming jet, and I have an external fan blowing into my case to keep it from being so noisy (I don't like the high-pitch sounds, it goes through my headphones better too). I don't know if that's the normal boost clock, but I haven't overclocked it at all. This brings me to on about my PSU and what I notice with limits while using MSI Afterburner to see it's status, I see the limits for Voltage, No Load, and rarely Power. I don't understand why all of these are being hit, I do understand the no load though, I'm pretty sure it's the GPU waiting on my CPU. Recommended PSU for the GPU is 525W minimum, and I'm well over that. I haven't tried letting more power to it, because everytime it wants to boost instead of the fans staying off, the temp shoots up and the fans instantly kick on to about 50%, even with the external fan. It never reaches higher then 45% usage in any game besides Ark and sometimes Minecraft (I run SEUS shaders, so that's why, limited to 80fps, vsync acts up and I still notice screen tearing).

You'll probably be asking about my CPU usage, well... It never goes over 5% more then the GPU's usage. I've had it reach 80% while streaming onto discord, but that's the highest it's ever reached in a game. It's clear to me that this is going to be a bottleneck no matter what I do, but why is it that my CPU never reaches over 50% in any of my games? And a lot of the time, the usage between my CPU and GPU are somehow synced, meaning when my GPU reaches 40%, my CPU goes to 40% and sometimes it'll reach 45% and rarely 50%. GPU stays pretty solid with 40% though, runs all of my favorite games at minimum 60fps on 1080p with maximum settings.

 

I've gotten Control with this GPU, and I've also noticed, it wouldn't let me even enable raytracing options because of: "You must have an RT Core GPU and support of DXR API. Must be running DirectX12." My statistics with MSI Afterburner clearly show: "D3D12", obviously it's not the problem of running DirectX12. And with Windows 10, I've heard that it comes with DXR API. And I know I have a RTX card, so I don't understand what it is trying to think. So I'm unsure.

 

 

Contact Information:

Feel free to ask me more questions and anything I didn't answer or forgot to put in here, I will respond fastest on Discord as I'm not home or on my computer as of now.
Discord: Cyberhound#5672

Thank you for your time, and thank you for your responses if you do respond. Very much thanked by me later.

[Jurrunio]

too long and didnt go through the entire thing, but did you check the per core usage of the CPU

[Cyberhound_5672]

46 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

too long and didnt go through the entire thing, but did you check the per core usage of the CPU

Nope, but sorry and thank you for the reply. I'll make it a little more summarized.

[Jurrunio]

32 minutes ago, Cyberhound_5672 said:

Nope, but sorry and thank you for the reply. I'll make it a little more summarized.

then maybe you're bottlenecked by a few CPU cores rather than all of them.

[pas008]

sorry what is 2k?

[Cyberhound_5672]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

then maybe you're bottlenecked by a few CPU cores rather than all of them.

Probably so. Anyway you know how to fix that?

[Cyberhound_5672]

9 minutes ago, pas008 said:

sorry what is 2k?

Actually, I should've said the exact resolution. I don't remember. 2K is just considered another way of saying that there's 2,000 pixels one way on the screen, horizontally. Same thing as 4K, just 4,000 instead of 2,000.

 

An example of 2K is this: 2560 x 1440 (aka 1440p, and my bad. I need to change that. I was running 4K resolution instead of 2K. I didn't realize that I was running better on 3840x2160 then 1920x1080)

[pas008]

7 minutes ago, Cyberhound_5672 said:

Actually, I should've said the exact resolution. I don't remember. 2K is just considered another way of saying that there's 2,000 pixels one way on the screen, horizontally. Same thing as 4K, just 4,000 instead of 2,000.

 

An example of 2K is this: 2560 x 1440 (aka 1440p, and my bad. I need to change that. I was running 4K resolution instead of 2K. I didn't realize that I was running better on 3840x2160 then 1920x1080)

yeah 1080p is pretty much 2k and was thinking if you running 1440p or 4k that should relieve cpu bottleneck

 

did you also run ddu?

and are you on version 1903 for windows10?

[Cyberhound_5672]

56 minutes ago, pas008 said:

yeah 1080p is pretty much 2k and was thinking if you running 1440p or 4k that should relieve cpu bottleneck

 

did you also run ddu?

and are you on version 1903 for windows10?

1080p is close, but when i say 1080p I'm meaning 1920x1080, still quite "far" from 2k, close but not there. And it would only relieve it a little. My CPU is known to be a severe bottleneck for my GPU.

 

What's ddu? I haven't heard of it.

Unsure. I can't check rn so I'll update this post when I do figure it out.

 

And I have 1803.

[pas008]

18 minutes ago, Cyberhound_5672 said:

1080p is close, but when i say 1080p I'm meaning 1920x1080, still quite "far" from 2k, close but not there. And it would only relieve it a little. My CPU is known to be a severe bottleneck for my GPU.

 

What's ddu? I haven't heard of it.

Unsure. I can't check rn so I'll update this post when I do figure it out.

display driver uninstaller by wagnardsoft i believe its almost mandatory  now days

 

and 2k is 2048×1080 resolution like 4k is technically 4096 x 2160  but 3840x2160 is considered

[Cyberhound_5672]

Just now, pas008 said:

display driver uninstaller by wagnardsoft i believe its almost mandatory  now days

 

and 2k is 2048×1080 resolution like 4k is technically 4096 x 2160  but 3840x2160 is considered

Yeah. True as well. And I haven't tried it, I've used it before. I don't think the drivers would make that big of a difference (as in having them installed being unused). I have the latest driver for Nivida though. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Cyberhound_5672 said:

Probably so. Anyway you know how to fix that?

a platform of CPUs that don't suck?

[Cyberhound_5672]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

a platform of CPUs that don't suck?

lol ik i need a ryzen but geez.

[C17H23NO2]

Seems like a big fat CPU-Bottleneck. 
Increasing the Res. like playing in 4k is transferring more load on gpu and relieves a little bit off of the cpu, but it apparently doesnt change much. It's just the CPU hitting its limit. 
Boost-wise it's alright I guess. If there is no power limit and sufficient cooling the card boosts itself. As long temps are okay i'd say you're fine. 
In terms of the RTX - problem. Try as above mentioned DDU. Reinstalling the gpu driver afterwards on a "clean" system is a good thing. Maybe consider updating to windows 1903 also. 

[Cyberhound_5672]

1 hour ago, C17H23NO2 said:

Seems like a big fat CPU-Bottleneck. 
Increasing the Res. like playing in 4k is transferring more load on gpu and relieves a little bit off of the cpu, but it apparently doesnt change much. It's just the CPU hitting its limit. 
Boost-wise it's alright I guess. If there is no power limit and sufficient cooling the card boosts itself. As long temps are okay i'd say you're fine. 
In terms of the RTX - problem. Try as above mentioned DDU. Reinstalling the gpu driver afterwards on a "clean" system is a good thing. Maybe consider updating to windows 1903 also. 

Thanks. And it makes no sense bc my CPU isn't at it's limit and hasn't gone past 50%, I just checked all the cores and it won't really go past 40% in my game. It's using all of the 8 cores so oof?

 

However, I'm gonna do that. Thank you.