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Hey,

I have 3 days to decide my new build, I have the case, good PSU gold rated and a good Z390 board, DDR4 with low timings and so one. 2 part´s are remaning..

 

This are my options, target to my monitor 144Hz/ 1080p, mostly FPS shooter and AAA Titles 

 

Option 1)

Intel Core i5-9500F + GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB 

 

Option 2)

Intel Core i5-9600KF + GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB

 

Option 3)

Intel Core i7-9700K + GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB

 

Option 4)

Intel Core i7-8700 + GeForce RTX 2080 8GB

 

In a Nvidia forum they told me option 1 or 2 would be better since it won´t bottleneck my GPU cause every game will handle more or less the CPU but GPU at high refresh rates comes to play. Anyways, what u think?

Price are just about 70$ from the most expensive to the less expensive, I guess the less expensive is Option 3 and the most expensive is option 2. 

 

What would u choose and why?

Note: Just gaming at most possible stable frame-rates so that I can profit from my 144Hz G-Sync monitor.

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None of the above - Ryzen 5 3600 or 3700X would make FAR more sense. They're going to offer overall more performance, less heat, less power draw, an upgrade path and don't suffer from the intel security vulnerabilities like Spectre, Meltdown, Foreshadow and etc

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Just now, 5x5 said:

None of the above - Ryzen 5 3600 or 3700X would make FAR more sense. They're going to offer overall more performance, less heat, less power draw, an upgrade path and don't suffer from the intel security vulnerabilities like Spectre, Meltdown, Foreshadow and etc

Dude, I can´t go with Intel. I own the motherboard lol... and most benchmarks are poor on AMD side for now anyways. Not that I don´t like them because I do, but way overpriced because they ran out of stock in Europe, like prices are 10 to 20% higher at this moment.

 

And I own a brand new Intel board anyways, but ye, it makes fully sense what u say!

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Just now, Franciscomartins said:

Dude, I can´t go with Intel. I own the motherboard lol... and most benchmarks are poor on AMD side for now anyways. Not that I don´t like them because I do, but way overpriced because they ran out of stock in Europe, like prices are 10 to 20% higher at this moment.

 

And I own a brand new Intel board anyways, but ye, it makes fully sense what u say!

If you own the board and are out of the return window, the 8700K makes most sense. i5s are basically a waste in 2019 and the 9700K's lack of HT puts it slightly behind the 8700K.

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12 minutes ago, XAIXER said:

Option 3. More cores, better IPC and the GPU will be fine.

IPC is the same. A 9700K + 2070 will be 20% slower than a 8700K + 2080 in basically all GPU-bound scenarios and equal in CPU-bound ones. This is bad advice

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2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

If you own the board and are out of the return window, the 8700K makes most sense. i5s are basically a waste in 2019 and the 9700K's lack of HT puts it slightly behind the 8700K.

Even at same price of a i7 9700K? Because they are priced at same price :o why that? HT? 

So I benefit more from a i7 8700 (non K) would be better, with a RTX 2080 (instante of a RTX 2070 Super)? Or does the 2070 Super the same job? Because some reviews show close by close in games and the 2080 is 120 CHF more (thats about 100$ more.

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1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

IPC is the same. A 9700K + 2070 will be 20% slower than a 8700K + 2080 in basically all GPU-bound scenarios and equal in CPU-bound ones. This is bad advice

Wait...

The best solution would be: Intel i7 8700 (non K) with a RTX 2080? 

Does it even "be" worth the 100$ more for against a RTX 2070 Super?

 

Sorry, I´m kinda noob! Thanks!

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4 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

IPC is the same. A 9700K + 2070 will be 20% slower than a 8700K + 2080 in basically all GPU-bound scenarios and equal in CPU-bound ones. This is bad advice

The 2070S isn't too far off the 2080 non super, and he could be able to overclock the 9700k down the road, let alone the slightly higher stock frequencies. And yeah i agree with the ryzen suggestion but there's no point if he already has a z390 board

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20 minutes ago, Franciscomartins said:

Wait...

The best solution would be: Intel i7 8700 (non K) with a RTX 2080? 

Does it even "be" worth the 100$ more for against a RTX 2070 Super?

 

Sorry, I´m kinda noob! Thanks!

8700K with a proper cooler - if you're not overclocking Intel makes absolutely no sense

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1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

8700K with a proper cooler - if you're not overclocking Intel makes absolutely no sense

They are out of stock for the i7 8700K. Just checked, they won´t have it again since they are discontinued :S

So should I go for a i7 9700K with a RTX 2070 Super? 

 

What u think will be "in" frames the difference from a RTX 2080 Super? Big?

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1 minute ago, Franciscomartins said:

They are out of stock for the i7 8700K. Just checked, they won´t have it again since they are discontinued :S

So should I go for a i7 9700K with a RTX 2070 Super? 

 

What u think will be "in" frames the difference from a RTX 2080 Super? Big?

The difference is about 5-10% - but the 9700K has less threads so multitasking will take a slight hit over the 8700K. Regardless, that's your only option then. i5s have reached their limits so you really want more than 6 threads in 2019

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Just now, 5x5 said:

The difference is about 5-10% - but the 9700K has less threads so multitasking will take a slight hit over the 8700K. Regardless, that's your only option then. i5s have reached their limits so you really want more than 6 threads in 2019

5-10% that´s in frames like 20 FPS?

True, 2019 (6 Core) is kinda outdated. 

 

I only gonna game anyways! No work there and even stream I don´t do it.

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22 minutes ago, Franciscomartins said:

5-10% that´s in frames like 20 FPS?

True, 2019 (6 Core) is kinda outdated. 

 

I only gonna game anyways! No work there and even stream I don´t do it.

10% is the jump from 100 to 110 or 200 to 220

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Option 4 is what I'd went for and there are many reasons to consider it,

 

1. Even today's modern games don't fully utilize 8 cores. So a 6 core hyper-threaded CPU like the 8700K or the Ryzen 5 3600 are considered the best options if only gaming is the concern.

 

2. Streaming/recording is better on the 8700 than on the 9700K as it lacks hyper-threading.

 

3. Even the locked 8700 can be Overclocked to decent GHz with a Z-Series motherboard. And the turbo boost difference between the locked and unlocked 8700's is just 100MHz so you are not giving up much performance there. You should be easily able to get a 4.0GHz overclock on the 8700 AFAIK and that will hold up things more than well.

 

4. The 5-10% difference in performance is unnoticeable when both the cards will be pushing above 120 fps at 1440p high. So if the 2080S is pushing for example 132 fps and the 2080 (regular) is throwing 120, then yes there is a 10% perfomance difference but for a naked eye its not noticeable.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Blind X said:

Option 4 is what I'd went for and there are many reasons to consider it,

 

1. Even today's modern games don't fully utilize 8 cores. So a 6 core hyper-threaded CPU like the 8700K or the Ryzen 5 3600 are considered the best options if only gaming is the concern.

 

2. Streaming/recording is better on the 8700 than on the 9700K as it lacks hyper-threading.

 

3. Even the locked 8700 can be Overclocked to decent GHz with a Z-Series motherboard. And the turbo boost difference between the locked and unlocked 8700's is just 100MHz so you are not giving up much performance there. You should be easily able to get a 4.0GHz overclock on the 8700 AFAIK and that will hold up things more than well.

 

4. The 5-10% difference in performance is unnoticeable when both the cards will be pushing above 120 fps at 1440p high. So if the 2080S is pushing for example 132 fps and the 2080 (regular) is throwing 120, then yes there is a 10% perfomance difference but for a naked eye its not noticeable.

 

 

Aha. Nice examples u made, thank you for that!

 

Well, we don´t sell the i7 8700K and as u know I already have a decent Z390 board. Should I spare 80$ to go with a i7 8700 instante of a i7 9700K with maybe lets say a regular RTX 2080 instante of a RTX 2070 Super? Trying here to match my budget if u know what I mean ;)

 

RTX 2070 Super costs about 577$

RTX 2080 costs about 700$

RTX 2080 Super costs about 790$

 

Intel i5 9600KF costs about 230$

Intel i7 8700 costs about 299$

Intel i7 9700K costs about 379$

 

What would u do? Keep in mind u can´t make the i7 9700K with a RTX 2080 Super (too expensive for my budget).

 

Funny video but Im not sure if its to trust.

 

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Just now, Franciscomartins said:

Aha. Nice examples u made, thank you for that!

 

Well, we don´t sell the i7 8700K and as u know I already have a decent Z390 board. Should I spare 80$ to go with a i7 8700 instante of a i7 9700K with maybe lets say a regular RTX 2080 instante of a RTX 2070 Super? Trying here to match my budget if u know what I mean ;)

 

RTX 2070 Super costs about 577$

RTX 2080 costs about 700$

RTX 2080 Super costs about 790$

 

Intel i5 9600KF costs about 230$

Intel i7 8700 costs about 299$

Intel i7 9700K costs about 379$

 

What would u do? Keep in mind u can´t make the i7 9700K with a RTX 2080 Super (too expensive for my budget).

As I said. I will consider the 8700 over the 9700K and overclock the 8700 to decent GHz.

 

8700 with 2080 (regular) is what I would pick. Just like the option 4 you mentioned above.

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1 minute ago, Blind X said:

As I said. I will consider the 8700 over the 9700K and overclock the 8700 to decent GHz.

 

8700 with 2080 (regular) is what I would pick. Just like the option 4 you mentioned above.

Nice. How can I overclock a i7 8700? ? Its not overclock. it runs at all cores 4.3Ghz I guess but that´s it!

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7 minutes ago, Franciscomartins said:

How can I overclock a i7 8700? ? Its not overclock. it runs at all cores 4.3Ghz I guess but that´s it!

If you have an Asus Z370 or Z390 motherboard and turn on "multi core enhancement" it will run all cores at 4.6GHz on the 8700 (4.7GHz on the 8700K) without any manual "overclocking"

 

That setting goes by different names for other motherboard manufacturers.

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1 minute ago, Blind X said:

If you have an Asus Z370 or Z390 motherboard and turn on "multi core enhancement" it will run all cores at 4.6GHz on the 8700 (4.7GHz on the 8700K) without any manual "overclocking"

 

That setting goes by different names for other motherboard manufacturers.

Are u sure? ?  Its a MSI MPG version 

 

 

Well, that explains so good ? but why is he using a RTX 2080 Ti?

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7 minutes ago, Franciscomartins said:

Are u sure? ?  Its a MSI MPG version 

After you mentioned it, I have been reading about it and now I can say yes I am sure about this.

 

MCE (Multi Core Enhancement) on msi boards = Enhanced Turbo

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12 minutes ago, Blind X said:

After you mentioned it, I have been reading about it and now I can say yes I am sure about this.

 

MCE (Multi Core Enhancement) on msi boards = Enhanced Turbo

But it clocks to 4.3GHz and not 4.6GHz, U got that wrong :P 

 

But maybe I can rise BCLK or whatever its called not?

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