Possible Ryzen build, need suggestions.

[HesCalledTheStig]

I'm considering a new Ryzen build to replace my current PC but I need suggestions as to what would be better than my current setup.  I also want to keep the budget as low as possible.  My current rig is an i5 4590, Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A motherboard and 16gb of Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600mhz RAM.  I plan on keeping my existing case, PSU and GPU.  I want to keep the total upgrade cost UNDER $300 if possible.  Any and all input is appreciated!

[KingTdiGGiTTy]

ASRock B450M PRO4 AM4

AMD RYZEN 7 2700 8-Core

 

CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400

[TheBean]

you are going to have to replace ram because you will need ddr4 now. 

so its not worth a full chipset upgrade. 

you will need to replace cpu, ram and mobo

this is something you cannot do for under 300 without actually *loosing* performance compared to the 4590 unless you go used stuff

 

16gb ram will cost: 70+

good cpu will cost about 200

good mobo will cost 80+

 

if you buy a cheaper/older cpu, you will have to replace it again soon so its not worth it. 

Edited September 11, 2019 by Saksham

[Fasauceome]

11 minutes ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

I plan on keeping my existing case, PSU and GPU

can we know what they are

[HesCalledTheStig]

5 minutes ago, KingTdiGGiTTy said:

ASRock B450M PRO4 AM4

AMD RYZEN 7 2700 8-Core

 

CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400

I have never used an Asrock motherboard, usually stick to Gigabyte.  Are they a reliable brand?

[HesCalledTheStig]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

can we know what they are

Thermaltake H200 case, Corsair CX55M PSU and an XFX RX 570 GPU.

[Fasauceome]

Just now, HesCalledTheStig said:

Thermaltake H200 case, Corsair CX55M PSU and an XFX RX 570 GPU.

with those, this makes a good combo

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$129.06 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$69.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$278.94
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$258.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-11 14:55 EDT-0400

 

2 minutes ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

I have never used an Asrock motherboard, usually stick to Gigabyte.  Are they a reliable brand?

all brands make both good and bad models, the Pro4 is the best budget B450 board out there

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

all brands make both good and bad models, the Pro4 is the best budget B450 board out there

^^^ ASRock is pretty damn solid on average too, and the Pro4 is one of their A+ boards for the price. Always depends on generation though, often the same model on a different gen sucks whereas the previous one was amazing. 

[HesCalledTheStig]

The Ryzen 7 2600 will out perform my current i5 4590?  And will my Coolermaster Master Liquid ML240L cool it sufficiently?  I completely forgot about cooling.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

The Ryzen 7 2600 will out perform my current i5 4590?  And will my Coolermaster Master Liquid ML240L cool it sufficiently?  I completely forgot about cooling.

Ryzen 5 is the 2600, Ryzen 7 is the 2700. The IPC with average 3000-3200Mhz CL16 RAM is about the same as Haswell (mebbe a teeny bit better), but they've got more cores and you can OC them a bit (usually 4-4.2Ghz). That AIO will cool the CPU fine, though I prefer air coolers for reliability/value (if you already have the AIO then it's fine though, buying an air cooler to replace a cooler you already have would be silly). 

[HesCalledTheStig]

29 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Ryzen 5 is the 2600, Ryzen 7 is the 2700. The IPC with average 3000-3200Mhz CL16 RAM is about the same as Haswell (mebbe a teeny bit better), but they've got more cores and you can OC them a bit (usually 4-4.2Ghz). That AIO will cool the CPU fine, though I prefer air coolers for reliability/value (if you already have the AIO then it's fine though, buying an air cooler to replace a cooler you already have would be silly). 

Not sure why I typed Ryzen 7, I meant 5. I also have a Hyper T4 that I could use for cooling it it was more sufficient.   

 

Anyone else have any other suggestions?  I’d go the intel route if their CPU’s weren’t so expensive new. 

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

Not sure why I typed Ryzen 7, I meant 5. I also have a Hyper T4 that I could use for cooling it it was more sufficient.   

 

Anyone else have any other suggestions?  I’d go the intel route if their CPU’s weren’t so expensive new. 

AIO would beat that smaller air cooler for sure (240/280mm AIOs fight the bigg bois like the NH-D15 and such). You could always look into used Intel too. I managed to score my X99 Classified for $99 on an EVGA B-Stock sale, and my 6c/12t i7 5820K for $160 (can get them cheaper if you shop around). It does need a beefy cooler to keep it at a reasonable temp when OCing though, but it's a killer setup for what I paid. 

[HesCalledTheStig]

9 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

AIO would beat that smaller air cooler for sure (240/280mm AIOs fight the bigg bois like the NH-D15 and such). You could always look into used Intel too. I managed to score my X99 Classified for $99 on an EVGA B-Stock sale, and my 6c/12t i7 5820K for $160 (can get them cheaper if you shop around). It does need a beefy cooler to keep it at a reasonable temp when OCing though, but it's a killer setup for what I paid. 

I think I wanna wanna stick with AMD the more I think about it. I’ve never done an AMD build before. Just a curiosity question. Would the Ryzen 5 2400g perform as good as or better than my i5?  I like the fact that it has decent onboard graphics just in case my GPU ever fails on me and I have to save for a new one.  

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

I think I wanna wanna stick with AMD the more I think about it. I’ve never done an AMD build before. Just a curiosity question. Would the Ryzen 5 2400g perform as good as or better than my i5?  I like the fact that it has decent onboard graphics just in case my GPU ever fails on me and I have to save for a new one.  

Probably slightly better, but I wouldn't buy a 4c/8t CPU new rn unless you're doing a very specific build (I have a 2200G so I can fit it inside a tiny Inwin Chopin case and keep it cool), or are on a really tight budget and can't afford a higher core count one. 

[HesCalledTheStig]

5 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Probably slightly better, but I wouldn't buy a 4c/8t CPU new rn unless you're doing a very specific build (I have a 2200G so I can fit it inside a tiny Inwin Chopin case and keep it cool), or are on a really tight budget and can't afford a higher core count one. 

Looks like the Ryzen 5 2600 it is!  Now I gotta explain to the wife why I NEED to order more pc parts. Haha. 

 

Woild this support the Ryzen 5 2600?:

GIGABYTE GA-A320M-S2H (AMD Ryzen AM4 / MicroATX / 2xDDR4/ HDMI/ Realtek ALC887/ 3xPCIe/ USB3.1 Gen 1/ LAN/ Motherboard) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079NYQQJJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_a7zEDbVK1QB8G

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

30 minutes ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

Woild this support the Ryzen 5 2600?:

GIGABYTE GA-A320M-S2H (AMD Ryzen AM4 / MicroATX / 2xDDR4/ HDMI/ Realtek ALC887/ 3xPCIe/ USB3.1 Gen 1/ LAN/ Motherboard) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079NYQQJJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_a7zEDbVK1QB8G

 

yes but it's a crappy board. spend at least $70 for a Pro4.

[HesCalledTheStig]

10 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

yes but it's a crappy board. spend at least $70 for a Pro4.

What makes it so crappy?  I don’t intend to overclock and I don’t use an M.2 ssd. I’ve always used Gigabyte boards and have never had one fail. What makes the Pro4 so much better than this if they will both do what I need them to do?  The only issue I see is the fact that the Gigabyte has 2 less RAM slots. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by HesCalledTheStig
spelling error

[Herman Mcpootis]

3 hours ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

What makes it so crappy?  I don’t intend to overclock and I don’t use an M.2 ssd. I’ve always used Gigabyte boards and have never had one fail. What makes the Pro4 so much better than this if they will both do what I need them to do?  The only issue I see is the fact that the Gigabyte has 2 less RAM slots. 

the board doesn't have VRM heatsinks, so it won't be able to handle more power hungry CPUs without throttling. plus AMD isn't supporting newer gen CPUs on A320 so CPU compatibility may get spotty in the future.

[HesCalledTheStig]

10 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the board doesn't have VRM heatsinks, so it won't be able to handle more power hungry CPUs without throttling. plus AMD isn't supporting newer gen CPUs on A320 so CPU compatibility may get spotty in the future.

I gotcha.

I was just considering the price of the board.  I could save a few bucks there for now and upgrade later if and when I need too.

[HesCalledTheStig]

Does the Asrock B450M PRO4 support NVMe M.2 SSD's?

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 hours ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

Does the Asrock B450M PRO4 support NVMe M.2 SSD's?

yes.

[HesCalledTheStig]

So I pulled the trigger. Can’t wait to put it together!  I’m a very impatient person lol.