Help for a Low Budget Upgrade

[Marcio Pires]

Hi Guys

This is my actual gear:

CPU - i7 4790k
GraphicCard - GTX 970
Memory - 16GB DDR3
MOBO - Asus Sabertooth Mark I
PowerSuply - Corsair HX850
Storage 1 - SSD kingstom 480gb
OS - Windows 10

 

I'm want to make an upgrade in this black friday and I will buy Motherboard, Cpu and memory. Don't want to spend money on unecessary things(Low budget) and for the first time I will try a AMD CPU.

I use the PC for Gaming and Content creation, things like a blender or C4D rendering, some after effects, premiere and photoshop, but most of the time is gaming and coding.

 

I really wanted a "future proof" mobo, one with a x570 chipset, capable of dealing with future inovations, but I believe that will not be possible on a low budget, besides, the reviews I saw about this chipset got me confused, 

Some say that the features of a x570 is "unecessary" even for a future and the entry models doesn't worth the price since will not change things too much right now and the components for the x570 entry models doesn't have a good quality. Others say that woth investing a little bit more to get a x570, anyway.

 

So, based in my budget and the prices and options avaliable in the online stores here in brazil, my options are:

 

1---- (This is a mobo+cpu combo offer)

ASUS TUF B450-PLUS GAMING

RYZEN 5 3600

 

2---- (This is a mobo+cpu combo offer)

ASUS TUF B450M-PLUS GAMING

RYZEN 5 3600

 

3---- (This is a mobo+cpu combo offer)

ASUS TUF B450M-PLUS GAMING

RYZEN 5 3700x

 

4---- 

GIGABYTE B450 AORUS PRO --or-- ASUS TUF B450M-PRO GAMING

RYZEN 5 3600 --or-- RYZEN 5 3700x

 

5---- 

GIGABYTE X570 GAMING X

RYZEN 5 3600 

 

What you guys recommend me?  Which memory is more suited for the options above?

 

If you have suggestions of other gear in the same price range will be nice.

 

 

Thanks for the Patience

[Akira Shimazu]

TBH no such things as future proof. grab ASrock B450M pro 4 and 3600. 16GB 3200Mhz like Team Vulcan. done

[Jurrunio]

Buying X570 is mainly for PCIe 4.0. GPUs certainly dont benefit from that unless you go with two of them in SLI or CF or DX12 multiGPU together, but then the only PCIe 4 GPUs, the 5700 and 5700XT, arent fast enough to need more than 3.0 X8 in multiGPU mode. Another use is SSD, Sabrent Rocket is a very good value 4.0 SSD for example. However the gains of extra SSD teanafer rate doesnt affect system responsiveness, in other words not very useful. Thay's why I think it's pointless on low budget.

 

Note that all B450 boards you picked need BIOS update before they work with 3rd gen, better ask the retailer to do the job. Or just buy those with BIOS flashback from MSI.

[G00fySmiley]

x570 seems a bad buy to me unless you really want pcie -4 and even then I would take a long hard look at why I think i need it (spoiler currently you really don't) 

 

its hard to say on black friday sales what would be on sale but yea a 3600 bundled with a B450 will likely be a easy to find option. When i researched it for my latest build the MSI B450 tomohawk seemed the best option, but really unless you are plannign to overclock any B450 from a reputable manufacturer should do. I have never had anybody unsatisfied with an ASUS TUF board personally and have built several systems with them (i usually just go with what is on sale in a good combo deal with a processor i want) 

[Mathieu9836]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xzQw9J

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($194.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($76.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $386.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-10 16:44 EDT-0400

 

Avoid prebuilt combo, they really really often use junk motherboards. Crucial Ballistix is the way to goo for cheap ram, just bought a 3200mhz CL16 a week ago and it's at 3600mhz CL16 with 1.35 volts, did not messed with voltage and timings at all for now.

You can either choose the 3600 or 2600 CPU, or even go with the 2700 since it's really cheap these days.

Pick a board with Bios Flash option if you go with a 3rd gen CPU without a 3rd gen Board, and get some decent VRMs at least.

[Marcio Pires]

1 hour ago, Mathieu9836 said:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xzQw9J

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($194.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($76.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $386.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-10 16:44 EDT-0400

 

Avoid prebuilt combo, they really really often use junk motherboards. Crucial Ballistix is the way to goo for cheap ram, just bought a 3200mhz CL16 a week ago and it's at 3600mhz CL16 with 1.35 volts, did not messed with voltage and timings at all for now.

You can either choose the 3600 or 2600 CPU, or even go with the 2700 since it's really cheap these days.

Pick a board with Bios Flash option if you go with a 3rd gen CPU without a 3rd gen Board, and get some decent VRMs at least.

TomaHawk is out of the stock here... 

I'm from brazil, the prices here is absurd and it's not a good time to import from USA right now.

 

The combo motherboard is the ASUS TUF B450M-PRO, it's a junk mobo?

Click Here to see the combo

 

About the memory, I found this one in a good price Corsair Vengeance LPX, 16GB (2x8GB), 3000MHz, DDR4, CL16. It's good?

 

With a little bit more I can pick this one  Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, 16GB (2x8GB), 3000MHz, DDR4, CL15

 

 

[Marcio Pires]

5 hours ago, G00fySmiley said:

x570 seems a bad buy to me unless you really want pcie -4 and even then I would take a long hard look at why I think i need it (spoiler currently you really don't) 

 

its hard to say on black friday sales what would be on sale but yea a 3600 bundled with a B450 will likely be a easy to find option. When i researched it for my latest build the MSI B450 tomohawk seemed the best option, but really unless you are plannign to overclock any B450 from a reputable manufacturer should do. I have never had anybody unsatisfied with an ASUS TUF board personally and have built several systems with them (i usually just go with what is on sale in a good combo deal with a processor i want) 

Nice!

In the combo, the Asus B450M-PRO comes already updated, so I probably Will go with that.

[Marcio Pires]

6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Buying X570 is mainly for PCIe 4.0. GPUs certainly dont benefit from that unless you go with two of them in SLI or CF or DX12 multiGPU together, but then the only PCIe 4 GPUs, the 5700 and 5700XT, arent fast enough to need more than 3.0 X8 in multiGPU mode. Another use is SSD, Sabrent Rocket is a very good value 4.0 SSD for example. However the gains of extra SSD teanafer rate doesnt affect system responsiveness, in other words not very useful. Thay's why I think it's pointless on low budget.

 

Note that all B450 boards you picked need BIOS update before they work with 3rd gen, better ask the retailer to do the job. Or just buy those with BIOS flashback from MSI.

I see, will take more time for PCIe4 worth buy

[Mathieu9836]

53 minutes ago, Marcio Pires said:

The combo motherboard is the ASUS TUF B450M-PRO, it's a junk mobo?

It's pretty much the worst VRMs you can get other then cheap Asrock and most Gigabyte boards on B450/X470. You can find you way out with a 2400G but other then that..... you will have an unstable CPU at higher clockspeed if you Overclock it.

[Marcio Pires]

20 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

It's pretty much the worst VRMs you can get other then cheap Asrock and most Gigabyte boards on B450/X470. You can find you way out with a 2400G but other then that..... you will have an unstable CPU at higher clockspeed if you Overclock it.

So, which options is better other than TomaHawk(its out of the stock)?

[Mathieu9836]

22 minutes ago, Marcio Pires said:

So, which options is better other than TomaHawk(its out of the stock)?

What is within your budget and available in your country?

[Jurrunio]

16 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

You can find you way out with a 2400G but other then that..... you will have an unstable CPU at higher clockspeed if you Overclock it.

it's not that bad, Asus has at least got the decency to strap on big aluminum blocks with some fins on top of the hot mosfets. Should crank up the 70w (down the CPU power connector btw) 3600 or 100w 3700x without breaking a sweat.

[asand1]

3 hours ago, Marcio Pires said:

TomaHawk is out of the stock here... 

I'm from brazil, the prices here is absurd and it's not a good time to import from USA right now.

 

The combo motherboard is the ASUS TUF B450M-PRO, it's a junk mobo?

Click Here to see the combo

 

About the memory, I found this one in a good price Corsair Vengeance LPX, 16GB (2x8GB), 3000MHz, DDR4, CL16. It's good?

 

With a little bit more I can pick this one  Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, 16GB (2x8GB), 3000MHz, DDR4, CL15

 

 

I am running 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz CL16. It's been great. The xmp profile works with no problem running at 3000mhz.

[Mathieu9836]

12 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

it's not that bad, Asus has at least got the decency to strap on big aluminum blocks with some fins on top of the hot mosfets. Should crank up the 70w (down the CPU power connector btw) 3600 or 100w 3700x without breaking a sweat.

Running a CPU at stock speed on those board is not an issue, as soon as you OC them VRMs cant keep up with the current draw.

I have a B450 DS3H and a C7H, the DS3H was unable to run the 2400G at 4 GHZ at 1.45volts, the C7H did at 1.40 and very stable...... better VRMs usually give you better CPU and memory stability, > USUALLY <

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, Mathieu9836 said:

Running a CPU at stock speed on those board is not an issue, as soon as you OC them VRMs cant keep up with the current draw.

I have a B450 DS3H and a C7H, the DS3H was unable to run the 2400G at 4 GHZ at 1.45volts, the C7H did at 1.40 and very stable...... better VRMs usually give you better CPU and memory stability, > USUALLY <

All I'm telling you is that the 3600 doesnt pull enough to be a concern.

 

So your board examples range from "very bad" and "very good", not conclusive at all

[Marcio Pires]

22 hours ago, Mathieu9836 said:

What is within your budget and available in your country?

1 - MSI B450M PRO-VDH
2 - GIGABYTE B450 AORUS ELITE
3 - MSI B450M BAZOOKA
4 - ASUS TUF B450-PLUS GAMING
5 - GIGABYTE B450M DS3H
6 - MSI X470 GAMING PLUS
7 - Asus TUF X470-Plus Gaming

 

[G00fySmiley]

14 hours ago, Marcio Pires said:

1 - MSI B450M PRO-VDH
2 - GIGABYTE B450 AORUS ELITE
3 - MSI B450M BAZOOKA
4 - ASUS TUF B450-PLUS GAMING
5 - GIGABYTE B450M DS3H
6 - MSI X470 GAMING PLUS
7 - Asus TUF X470-Plus Gaming

 

given those MSI X470 GAMING PLUS

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12990/the-msi-x470-gaming-plus-review/8

[Mathieu9836]

I would also only consider the MSI X470 Gaming Plus too, all others have low end VRMs.

[Marcio Pires]

On 9/12/2019 at 5:57 PM, Mathieu9836 said:

I would also only consider the MSI X470 Gaming Plus too, all others have low end VRMs.

I have an oportunity to buy the GIGABYTE X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING next month instead of the MSI X470. It's a better choice?

[Mathieu9836]

18 hours ago, Marcio Pires said:

I have an oportunity to buy the GIGABYTE X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING next month instead of the MSI X470. It's a better choice?

No.

MSI X470 Gaming Plus is 4 power phases with good doublers.

Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming is also 4 power phases with 4 cheap doublers.

The Gigabyte will barely OC a 2600 or 3600 with stability, the MSI will OC a 2700 and 3800X without to much effort.

[Marcio Pires]

22 hours ago, Mathieu9836 said:

No.

MSI X470 Gaming Plus is 4 power phases with good doublers.

Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming is also 4 power phases with 4 cheap doublers.

The Gigabyte will barely OC a 2600 or 3600 with stability, the MSI will OC a 2700 and 3800X without to much effort.

Nice!

Thanks for the help!

[Marcio Pires]

Hi everyone,

 

Today the last item of my gig arrived, I already installed and I'm loving! is a ryzen 3600 + MSI x470 gaming plus + 2x8gb corsair dominator rgb cl15.

 

Thanks everybody for the support!