intel i5 8500 3ghz 6cpus

[ralabear]

motherboard-EVGA z370

cpu-intel i5 8500 3ghz 6cpus

gpu-asus rog strix rtx 2060 6gig

memory-16gis 2 8gig sticks of gskill ripjaw 3200 mhz

OS- windows 10 64bit

display- asus vg278 144 hz monitor

I guess im trying to figure out if overclocking is possible, how is it possible should I upgrade the cpu to minimize bottle knecking. I just don't know. can I get more out of the components I have or is there no need.

again im new at this apologize in advance

[Mister Woof]

At most you can BCLK OC and also OC RAM.

 

You can't change multipliers on the CPU.

 

Getting a better cooler will reduce thermals and perhaps allow for higher boost (if it's not already at max boost), and definitely will be quieter.

 

Also, enable xmp for memory if not already enabled.

 

Personally wouldn't bother upgrading, but if you can sell your 8500 for a decent price a n 8700k would be solid for quite a while.

 

But that said an 8700k is like $350 and for that price you can get a 3600 and a b450.

 

I'd sell off your CPU/Mobo and get a 3700x/b450 personally especially if you are streaming etc.

 

Or just keep what you got; 2060 is a decent match with that CPU and should last a while. You'll get most out of your money by not upgrading.

[5x5]

You can't overclock a locked intel CPU without paying the intel tax for unlocked parts.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

Getting a better cooler will reduce thermals and perhaps allow for higher boost (if it's not already at max boost), and definitely will be quieter.

You'd need to hit pretty high temps for it not to boost, Intel's Turbo Boost isn't as temp sensitive as AMD's PBO/XFR boost AFAIK. 

OCing the RAM or at least using the XMP profiles is solid though, but I wouldn't advise a BLCK OC since it tends to destabilize the PC really quickly and can damage some devices (mostly some NVMe SSDs, IDK if it can hurt GPUs or not). 

As for a bottleneck, shouldn't be any. That i5 and a 2060 is a solid pairing. 
 

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

You'd need to hit pretty high temps for it not to boost, Intel's Turbo Boost isn't as temp sensitive as AMD's PBO/XFR boost AFAIK. 

OCing the RAM or at least using the XMP profiles is solid though, but I wouldn't advise a BLCK OC since it tends to destabilize the PC really quickly and can damage some devices (mostly some NVMe SSDs, IDK if it can hurt GPUs or not). 

As for a bottleneck, shouldn't be any. That i5 and a 2060 is a solid pairing. 
 

Agree, and see my edits for more.

 

I think unless he's streaming upgrading is a waste.

 

Better solution would have been not getting the 8500 to begin with.

[Zando_]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

Agree, and see my edits for more.

 

I think unless he's streaming upgrading is a waste.

 

Better solution would have been not getting the 8500 to begin with.

8400 was/is a much better value (or the 9400F). If you wanna spend more than that then the 8600K/9600K is the next logical step up. Or like you said, Ryzen (offers much better bang for the buck). But unless the OP reeeeeeeally needs an upgrade there's no real reason to upgrade, that combo is solid. My i5 8400 kept up with my Radeon VII about as well as my 4.2Ghz (I run it at 4.5 now) i7 5820K, pushing around 120+ fps in Destiny 2 (drops to 80 or so in some patrol areas but it's done that on every rig I've run it on). 

[Mister Woof]

Although if you can sell your Mobo/CPU for $250, you could just apply another $100 ($350 total) and get a 3600 w/aftermarket cooler and a decent b450.

 

Will be better at everything for only $100 out of pocket.

 

This is assuming USD 

 

But I'd also advise anyone against buying your old combo for $250 LOL so...

[Jurrunio]

BCLK OC: BCLK starts at 100MHz, without NVMe SSDs cranking it up is fine. That said the best result I've seen is only 107MHz, so 7% clock gain. It also changes memory frequency with it.

 

Memory OC: The freqyency and timings limit here is high enough for you to never reach it. There might not be much benefits in doing so tho.

[G00fySmiley]

5 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

Agree, and see my edits for more.

 

I think unless he's streaming upgrading is a waste.

 

Better solution would have been not getting the 8500 to begin with.

I would agree that today a 8500 would be a terrible choice of a chip. If the OP had bought the system when the 8 series Intel chips were new though they were certainly good buys. Now if it wwere purchased post Ryzen 3 series chips coming oand laying the smack down on intel... well yea that would be a bad buy 

[ralabear]

ill check if the xmp is enabled and ty all for the quick replys. I started using the asus gpu tweak 2 and really don't understand it. does it do anything is it worth using it and am I suffering any sort of competitive performance say against someone with a better cpu and or gpu. again I apologize for my noobness.

 

[Mister Woof]

Are you noticing any actual performance deficit or just want more performance just because

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, ralabear said:

ill check if the xmp is enabled and ty all for the quick replys. I started using the asus gpu tweak 2 and really don't understand it. does it do anything is it worth using it and am I suffering any sort of competitive performance say against someone with a better cpu and or gpu. again I apologize for my noobness.

Not really, so long as you're at about 120fps or more in most games you're not gonna notice a difference. People play competitively on consoles at 30fps and on 60Hz monitors with PCs just fine, it's more dependent on your skill. A performance disadvantage would be stutter, lag, noticeable fps drops. If the games are running smoothly then you're fine on the performance end. 

And lol, it's no problem. Everyone starts a noob, so long as you're reasonable and willing to learn (and unlearn something if you learn it wrong, lol) you'll be fine. 

[ralabear]

im noticing some things but im not sure if its monitor related or  something else. im playing apex legends with most of the graphic settings off or low or disabled it gets me a steady 145 frames according to the in game fps counter but im not sure if that's accurate. in order to get the monitor to 144hz I have to play at the 1080p resolution. could be internet too just not sure. is there a huge difference in performance say against somone with an i9 and my i5 or a better monitor or gpu. just trying to understand things is all sorry again 

[G00fySmiley]

XMP for sure you need to enable asap that is a significant boost right there . as for performance as said above it really is a case of do you feel it. I am running an 8700k (at the time the best chip for the $ in my budget, i got it on release) and ran with a 1070. I then picked up a RTX 2070 as again for the price it was about the best I would need for 1440p 144 hz  wit Gsync.

 

I am surprised your 8500 with a 2060 is needing low settings in apex legends, my 1070 and 8700k were keeping 144 fps at max settings and 1440p in it before i got my 2070  and there is no difference in that title now vs then. 

 

I suggest troubleshooting that, run DDU and reinstall drivers for the 2060 would be the best place to start i think (other than turning on xmp if off) 

[Jurrunio]

13 minutes ago, ralabear said:

asus gpu tweak 2

It's garbage, try MSI afterburner instead.

 

4 minutes ago, ralabear said:

there a huge difference in performance say against somone with an i9 and my i5 or a better monitor or gpu

For gaming, the GPU is the only thing that slows you down right now. Unless you're in CPU heavy games like Civ 6 anyway

[Zando_]

Just now, ralabear said:

im noticing some things but im not sure if its monitor related or  something else. im playing apex legends with most of the graphic settings off or low or disabled it gets me a steady 145 frames according to the in game fps counter but im not sure if that's accurate. in order to get the monitor to 144hz I have to play at the 1080p resolution. could be internet too just not sure. is there a huge difference in performance say against somone with an i9 and my i5 or a better monitor or gpu. just trying to understand things is all sorry again 

There's a decent difference between an i9 or OCed 8600K, but if you're pushing 144+fps already then you're fine. In-game fps monitors should be accurate, if you want more info you can install MSI Afterburner, it'll include RivaTuner Statistics Server. You can set up an OSD (On Screen Display) in Afterburner and put a bunch of stats up there in the corner. Like here when I was playing Monster Hunter World:

 

Top row: GPU temp, GPU load, GPU core speed, GPU power consumption, GPU voltage
Next row: VRAM usage, VRAM speed
3rd row: CPU temp, CPU load, CPU core speed, CPU power consumption
4th row: system RAM usage
Last row: fps counter and frametime counter with a graph

Everything should be self explanatory other than frametimes, that's just the time between each frame, measured in milliseconds (ms). See how the line on the graph has very small variations and overall is smooth? That means my frametimes are very smooth, aka the GPU is pushing out frames consistently, making for a good experience. Choppy frametimes that jump all over the place make for lag and stutter. 

Also, you can use the arrow under people's posts to quote them, it gives them a notification so they know you replied. 

[ralabear]

let me look into the msi afterburner and I have no idea what ddu is my b

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, ralabear said:

let me look into the msi afterburner and I have no idea what ddu is my b

 

Display Driver Uninstaller. Completely removes the GPU drivers, forcing Windows to use the basic VGA driver until you do a clean install of the proper Nvidia or AMD ones. You never need to use that unless you're having driver issues (which from what you've told us, you're not). It's a troubleshooting tool, not something you use all the time or recommend every time anyone mentions a GPU. 

[G00fySmiley]

ddu is 

 

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

 

it basically wipes all gpu drivers so you can perform a clean install. 

 

you would be surprised how often issues come up with cards under performing and its just that they did not uninstall everything properly from the old card. Personally I upgrade drivers every month or so and run DDU probably twice a year for a clean install as regular pc maintinance

 

as for "not being needed" its apex legends on a RTX 2060 needing to run at low settings, I would call that a pretty significant issue. 

 

[ralabear]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

There's a decent difference between an i9 or OCed 8600K, but if you're pushing 144+fps already then you're fine. In-game fps monitors should be accurate, if you want more info you can install MSI Afterburner, it'll include RivaTuner Statistics Server. You can set up an OSD (On Screen Display) in Afterburner and put a bunch of stats up there in the corner. Like here when I was playing Monster Hunter World:

 

Top row: GPU temp, GPU load, GPU core speed, GPU power consumption, GPU voltage
Next row: VRAM usage, VRAM speed
3rd row: CPU temp, CPU load, CPU core speed, CPU power consumption
4th row: system RAM usage
Last row: fps counter and frametime counter with a graph

Everything should be self explanatory other than frametimes, that's just the time between each frame, measured in milliseconds (ms). See how the line on the graph has very small variations and overall is smooth? That means my frametimes are very smooth, aka the GPU is pushing out frames consistently, making for a good experience. Choppy frametimes that jump all over the place make for lag and stutter. 

Also, you can use the arrow under people's posts to quote them, it gives them a notification so they know you replied. 

ty so much didn't know about the arrow im gonna check out the msi afterburner and run it to see if im getting anything ty again ill post again when ive installed and run the software

 

[ralabear]

4 minutes ago, ralabear said:

ty so much didn't know about the arrow im gonna check out the msi afterburner and run it to see if im getting anything ty again ill post again when ive installed and run the software

 

do I also install the rivatuner statistics server or just the msi afterburner

[ralabear]

16 minutes ago, ralabear said:

ty so much didn't know about the arrow im gonna check out the msi afterburner and run it to see if im getting anything ty again ill post again when ive installed and run the software

 

ran the oc scanner says test completed, confidence level is 90%. not sure what that means and (sorry again) how do I turn on the monitoring that you have on your screen shot