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Many Core mATX Build Advice

amckern
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All,

 

First post, reasonable long time youtube watcher (started watching when Linus was making videos out of the 'house')

 

My local source for PC advice (Whirlpool) has not been able to give me much advice in regards to a high core count mATX Build other then don't go stick a ThreadRipper in such a small box.

 

At the moment I have a Silverstone SG06, it is a good case, but the front side USB got busted ages ago (knocked the thing off the desk with a USB stick in it) and my computer is starting to have trouble with booting (maybe time to get a new motherboard and CPU).

 

  • The thing I dislike about the SG06 is that the front intake grill gets full of dust quite fast
  • The thing I like about the case is oversize, and the height (i use it but bowls of food on top when I am gaming)

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I would love to get my hands on a Antec VSK2000-U3 (not sold in AU so someone that exports to AU please)

 

I will be keeping my current:

  • GTX 1070
  • Keyboard
  • Mouse
  • 4K Display
  • CORSAIR CP-9020104-NA (450 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold) - unless the CPU requirements need something with more grunt.
  • Windows 10 Licence

 

I am open to CPU manufacturer but the more CPU Counts the better (i9 / thread ripper level of cores)

 

Mother Board requirements:

  • Gigabit LAN
  • m.2 SSD support
  • Support 32gb memory (XMP not a major issue, but might be useful in the future)
  • 6-8 onboard USB 2/3.2 (USB 3.2 Gen 1xx or USB 3.2 Gen 2xx no major issue) + front panel support
  • Need at least two SATA connections on board

Storage:

I currently have 3 SSD's (equating to 576GB) and one HDD (Equating to 1024GB) - most of these drives are at least 1/2 full, so i would need a m.2 SSD drive with at least 1024GB storage.


The computer will be used for:

  • Programming (core count helps with the compiler)
  • Compiler for levels designed for Gold Source (again more cores helps)
  • Gaming – most AAA games, but falling back to (at the moment) to Overwatch

 

Budget AUD $4,000 (with shipping to AU from US Suppliers if required)

 

Please help me build my next PC :)

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18 minutes ago, amckern said:

(Whirlpool)

dont they sell household electrical appliances like washing machines only?

 

18 minutes ago, amckern said:
  • Gigabit LAN
  • m.2 SSD support
  • Support 32gb memory (XMP not a major issue, but might be useful in the future)
  • 6-8 onboard USB 2/3.2 (USB 3.2 Gen 1xx or USB 3.2 Gen 2xx no major issue) + front panel support
  • Need at least two SATA connections on board

tbh all HEDT platform boards meet these requirements. Otherwise they dont feel right in this platform

 

18 minutes ago, amckern said:

 Antec VSK2000-U3

not official spec (cant find it on Antec's site for some reason) but only 65mm cooler clearance? Cant find anything on radiator compatibility. Oh, and 200mm (founders is 267mm long) graphics card length limit, and I assume two slot cards only and height no more than the bracket.

 

Maybe just wait for 3rd gen's AM4 16 core and go for an mITX build? or mATX case with mITX board, to hold more drives and what not.

 

I'd stop here for a moment

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Threadripper 2950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor $898.19 @ Amazon Australia
Motherboard ASRock X399M Taichi Micro ATX TR4 Motherboard $567.00 @ Newegg Australia
Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $512.62 @ Newegg Australia
Power Supply Silverstone Strider Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $112.00 @ Mighty Ape
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $2089.81
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-07 12:10 AEST+1000  

Dont need the PSU with this case (that's why it's not SFX needed to fit this case), you'll be limiting the power draw of the system by limiting its cooling.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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On 9/6/2019 at 8:54 PM, amckern said:

VSK2000-U3

That VSK2000 will not support any GTX1070 (or 1060, maybe one 1050) or any SFX power supply. It's half-height expansion slots and TFX power supply.

 

Source: I have one. I wanted to make it into a neat little gaming machine, but I couldn't find a PSU that was both powerful enough and quiet enough and not-expensive enough. GPU was going to eventually prove to be a issue, too. Great for HTPC, though, I just outgrew it (see "Jesta" in my sig, its replacement).

 

On 9/6/2019 at 9:11 PM, Jurrunio said:
On 9/6/2019 at 8:54 PM, amckern said:

(Whirlpool)

dont they sell household electrical appliances like washing machines only?

This isn't the first time I've seen someone reference Whirlpool's forums. I don't exactly know, but apparently there's a lot of content there, too? *shrug*

VSK2000-U3_Flyer_EN.pdf

Main System (Byarlant): Ryzen 7 5800X | Asus B550-Creator ProArt | EK 240mm Basic AIO | 16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-14 | XFX Speedster SWFT 210 RX 6600 | Samsung 990 PRO 2TB / Samsung 960 PRO 512GB / 4× Crucial MX500 2TB (RAID-0) | Corsair RM750X | Silicom (Intel) X540-AT2 10G NIC | Inateck USB 3.0 Card | Hyte Y60 Case | Dell U3415W Monitor | Keychron K4 Brown (white backlight)

 

Laptop (Narrative): Lenovo Flex 5 81X20005US | Ryzen 5 4500U | 16GB RAM (soldered) | Vega 6 Graphics | SKHynix P31 1TB NVMe SSD | Intel AX200 Wifi | Asus 2.5G USB NIC | Asus ProArt PA278QV | Keychron K12 Blue (RGB backlight)

 

Proxmox Server (Veda): Ryzen 7 3800XT | ASRock Rack X470D4U | Corsair H80i v2 | 64GB Micron DDR4 ECC 3200MT/s | 4× WD 10TB / 4× Seagate 14TB Exos / 8× WD 12TB (custom external SAS enclosure) / 2× Samsung PM963a 960GB SSD | Seasonic Prime Fanless 500W | Intel X550-T2 10G NIC | LSI 9300-8i HBA | Adaptec 82885T SAS Expander | Fractal Design Node 804 Case

 

Proxmox Server (La Vie en Rose): GMKtec Mini PC | Ryzen 7 5700U | 32GB Lexar RAM (SODIMM) | Vega 8 Graphics | Lexar 1TB 610 Pro SSD | 2× Realtek 8125 2.5G NICs


Media Center/Video Capture (Jesta Cannon): Ryzen 5 1600X | ASRock B450M Pro4 R2.0 | Noctua NH-L12S | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 | EVGA GTX750Ti SC | UMIS NVMe SSD 256GB / TEAMGROUP MS30 1TB | Corsair CX450M | Viewcast Osprey 260e Video Capture | TrendNet (Marvell 88X3310P) 10G NIC | LG UH12NS30 BD-ROM | Silverstone Sugo SG-11 Case | Sony XR65A80K

 

Workbench (Doven Wolf): Lenovo m715q | Ryzen Pro 3 2200GE | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 (SODIMM) | Vega 8 Graphics | SKHynix (OEM) 256GB NVMe SSD | uni 2.5G USB NIC | HDMI add-in module

 

Network:

Spoiler 
                         ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ──── UniFi Cloud Gateway Max ═╦═ UniFi Flex XG ══╦═ Veda (Intel X550-T2.1)
(500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓)  (Asus USB 2½G NIC) Narrative ═╬═ La Vie en Rose  ╠═ Veda-NAS (Intel X550-T2.2)
                     (uni USB 2½G NIC) Doven Wolf ═╝  (Proxmox)       ╟─ UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ Veda (IPMI)
╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝                      └─ La Vie en Rose
║ ┌── Closet ───┐    ┌─────────────── Bedroom ────────────────────────────────────────┐
╚═ UniFi Flex XG ═╦╤═ UniFi Flex XG ═╤╦═ Byarlant (Silicom Intel X540-AT2)
           (PoE)  ║│                 │╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters 2½G NIC w/ USB-PD)
   Kitchen Jack ══╣└─ Dual PoE ┐     │╚═ Jesta Cannon* (Trendnet Marvell 88X3310P)
      (Testing)   ║┌─ Injector ┘     └── Work Laptop (Startech USB-PD Dock)
        Bedroom ══╝│
        Jack #2    │        ┌──────── Media Center ───────────────────────────────────┐
                   └──────── UniFi Switch 8 ────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE)
Notes:                                          ├─ Sony PlayStation 4 
─── is Gigabit / ═══ is Multi-Gigabit           ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed from Bedroom to Media Center   └─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
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Thanks

 

I am not much of an R.G.B. fanatic, so anything that's compact that would fit a 1070?

 

My card is a single fan Gigabyte model (seeing the Zotec 1070 is not for sale in AU either) so its a little shorter then the normal ones.

 

Answer your question - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au

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After report:

 

TODO: Add spec so this post is not out of context 

 

 

So have gone through the hottest part of Summer (ambient 51c) with the air cooling.

 

Works wonderful, needed to get a 2nd fan for the GPU and some new case feet (put them on the wrong part of the chassis 1st time) and air flow from underthe case is is good.

 

Detroit become human at everything on max and 4k got GPU to 91c and CPU at around 70c (fan speed not supported on this build)

 

No noticeable thermal throttles.

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