When are new Radeon VII's coming out?

[Eigencentrality]

Anyone know when new Sapphire Radeon VII's, or other better than reference cards, coming out?

 

The Sapphire costs a grand on Amazon, and that's used.  Sounded like the reference level cards didn't quite live up to hopes.  The tech (7nm!) sounds potentially awesome.   "custom" cards may get it working well.  It'll probably get price/performance than comparable Nvida cards.

 

The Sapphire seemed like it sold out in days.

[Skiiwee29]

Radeon VII's are dead and EOL... you wont be getting any new variations out of them. 

[Eigencentrality]

Do you mean AMD isn't manufacturing more chips?

[Princess Luna]

6 minutes ago, Eigencentrality said:

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The Radeon 7 was an odd product, AMD had overstock of their workstation Radeon Pro chips that seemed would get stuck so they repurposed these as "gaming" cards even though they weren't quite it.

 

AMD was selling it for no profit just the manufacturing cost to prevent them from having losses, now that the overstock of these GPUs has finally ended the Radeon 7 has gone end of life and will not be manufactured any more.

[Eigencentrality]

1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

The Radeon 7 was an odd product, AMD had overs-stock of their workstation Radeon Pro chips that seemed would get stuck so they repurposed these as "gaming" cards even though they weren't quite it.

 

AMD was selling it for no profit just the manufacturing cost to prevent them from having losses, now that the overstock of GPUs has finally ended the Radeon 7 has gone end of life and will not be manufactured any more.

That's interesting.  Thanks.

[Skiiwee29]

2 minutes ago, Eigencentrality said:

Do you mean AMD isn't manufacturing more chips?

Correct, no more Radeon VII cards are being produced.. now if you're talking about the new 5700 series... then those will be back in stock sometimes over the next 2-4 weeks or so. 

[Zando_]

I think they are actually making more, I've heard conflicting info on that front. Basically they may or may not be discontinued, if they aren't then AMD isn't making very many since they don't make much off the cards. There's never been an AIB model to my knowledge, don't think there ever will be. A waterblock is your best bet to get proper perf out of the card. 

[Skiiwee29]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

I think they are actually making more, I've heard conflicting info on that front. Basically they may or may not be discontinued, if they aren't then AMD isn't making very many since they don't make much off the cards. There's never been an AIB model to my knowledge, don't think there ever will be. A waterblock is your best bet to get proper perf out of the card. 

its been more or less confirmed with Gamers Nexus that the Radeon VII is EOL and out of production.. whats left is whats left and when its gone, its gone.. no more cards are being manufactured. 

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I've heard conflicting info on that front.

Not anymore, it's pretty confirmed.

Already is set on time.

[Eigencentrality]

Just now, Skiiwee29 said:

its been more or less confirmed with Gamers Nexus that the Radeon VII is EOL and out of production.. whats left is whats left and when its gone, its gone.. no more cards are being manufactured. 

Is there going to be another "high-end" (by amd standards) Vega coming out?  Or, at least 5700s with more than 8GB memory?

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Eigencentrality said:

Is there going to be another "high-end" (by amd standards) Vega coming out?  Or, at least 5700s with more than 8GB memory?

Only on the next year Q2 at the earliest being very optimistic.

 

You've to understand however that the Navi (5700 and 5700XT) are specifically Gaming GPUs and they are waaaaaaaay worse than the Radeon 7 on Hardware Acceleration and other workstation related workloads, so you should specify what is it that you're after... is it gaming? is it work? what software? etc.

[Skiiwee29]

2 minutes ago, Eigencentrality said:

Is there going to be another "high-end" (by amd standards) Vega coming out?  Or, at least 5700s with more than 8GB memory?

Yes, there are rumored 5800 and 5900 cards coming later this year to take the top end of AMDs product stack. 

[Epimetheus]

2 minutes ago, Eigencentrality said:

Is there going to be another "high-end" (by amd standards) Vega coming out?  Or, at least 5700s with more than 8GB memory?

There are rumors saying an high end Navi variant will come in the future, i guess a few months. I think you can get good performance out of the Radeon VII too though, with undervolting and stuff

[Eigencentrality]

5 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Yes, there are rumored 5800 and 5900 cards coming later this year to take the top end of AMDs product stack. 

I figure more memory (combined with pcie 4) will up performance- textures, distance that can be rendered, trees that finally look like trees, etc..

 

I don't care about ray tracing.  Give me trees that look like trees!

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Eigencentrality said:

I figure more memory (combined with pcie 4) will up performance- textures, distance that can be rendered, trees that finally look like trees, etc..

Highest I've ever pushed VRAM usage was 9.5GB at 4K in Rise of The Tomb Raider. There's very few games that'll push close to or more than that, apparently modded Skyrim is another VRAM hungry title. 

Also I don't think the RVII can fully saturate PCIe 3.0 and it has an on paper 1TB/s memory bandwidth, much faster than GDDR6 (it's almost 800GB/s). PCIe 4.0 is more useful for faster PCIe/NVMe SSDs, we don't really have any GPUs that push past what PCIe 3.0 x16 can offer AFAIK. 

[Eigencentrality]

10 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Highest I've ever pushed VRAM usage was 9.5GB at 4K in Rise of The Tomb Raider. There's very few games that'll push close to or more than that, apparently modded Skyrim is another VRAM hungry title. 

Also I don't think the RVII can fully saturate PCIe 3.0 and it has an on paper 1TB/s memory bandwidth, much faster than GDDR6 (it's almost 800GB/s). PCIe 4.0 is more useful for faster PCIe/NVMe SSDs, we don't really have any GPUs that push past what PCIe 3.0 x16 can offer AFAIK. 

Sure, but could you tell the difference between a Bur oak and a Post oak?

[Zando_]

9 minutes ago, Eigencentrality said:

Sure, but could you tell the difference between a Bur oak and a Post oak?

What? I'm not a tree identifier so no. And more VRAM =/= better trees. You can only set the settings as high as the devs made them go, having more VRAM than you need doesn't magically make graphics look better. If you've maxed the render distance, shadow render distance, and textures, more VRAM won't make the game look any better. 

[Eigencentrality]

On 9/3/2019 at 11:00 AM, Princess Luna said:

Only on the next year Q2 at the earliest being very optimistic.

 

You've to understand however that the Navi (5700 and 5700XT) are specifically Gaming GPUs and they are waaaaaaaay worse than the Radeon 7 on Hardware Acceleration and other workstation related workloads, so you should specify what is it that you're after... is it gaming? is it work? what software? etc.

Work and gaming.

 

I want something that can take simple-ish mathematical models with large data.  I don't need ML or anything else like that.  I write my own algorithms.  I need something, for example, that helps me find the shortest path on a network with 5 million nodes and up to a couple billion edges.  The Radeon VII does 11 TFLOPS single precision, 2.8 TFLOPS double precision for ~$700 at spec.  With Sapphire manufacturing quality, you could push that up significantly with a minor overclock.  That is comparable to a Tesla V100 that sells for $5,000.  You could by 7 Radeon VII for that price.  I don't have $5K.  If I did, I could get 77 TFLOPs single/17.6 TFLOP double on desktop hardware.   That's the same power as a multi-million dollar supercomputer 15 years ago.  Or 11 TFLOP on Nvidia hardware and probably another 3K or more on a server capable of using a Tesla.  The Radeon VII has insane power per price.

 

The RX5700 has around 0.5 TFLOP double precision, if that.

 

I want more Vega with lots of memory.  The sort of data sets I use can be 5 GB by themselves.  A 5 GB network becomes huge quickly.  You need at least 32 GB RAM to do small stuff. 64 GB RAM to not have to worry too much about memory.  16 GB VRAM would be great. 

 

 

Plus, games.  All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

[i_build_nanosuits]

On 9/3/2019 at 11:05 AM, Eigencentrality said:

I figure more memory (combined with pcie 4) will up performance- textures, distance that can be rendered, trees that finally look like trees, etc..

 

I don't care about ray tracing.  Give me trees that look like trees!

that entirely depend on the game and game engine and how they designed the trees lol

but AMD has a GPU that is priced as a mid range GPU that outperform the radeon 7...it's called 5700XT and it's very good for the price...will drive the latest games on high details at high framerates no problems

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-5700-XT-vs-AMD-Radeon-VII/4045vs4035

[Eigencentrality]

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

that entirely depend on the game and game engine and how they designed the trees lol

but AMD has a GPU that is priced as a mid range GPU that outperform the radeon 7...it's called 5700XT and it's very good for the price...will drive the latest games on high details at high framerates no problems

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-5700-XT-vs-AMD-Radeon-VII/4045vs4035

I'm no arborist, but does anyone else get annoyed at the poor quality of trees!  Game designers seem to add them as an after-thought.  Typically you get a bit of a fender-bender if you hit the trunk of a tree.  What happens to the tree!  Nothing, or they go flying off.  There's a great deal of physics behind how one tree would react differently than another when hit by a jeep. Trees, people!  Trees!!!