Idea for a computer for kids

[TheJ]

These games include minecraft, roblox, gta, etcetera. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Imaginebeinggay/saved/ZRmvWZ

 

 

[TheJ]

Please note the stock cooler is used and has pre applied thermal paste. 

 

If you dont want to take any risk, buy thermal paste here https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-ac-mx4/p/2MB-000S-00016

[Fasauceome]

12 minutes ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

minecraft, roblox, gta,

Grand Theft Auto, now a kids' game apparently

 

Don't pay for McAfee, get something free like malwarebytes.

[TheJ]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Grand Theft Auto, now a kids' game apparently

 

Don't pay for McAfee, get something free like malwarebytes.

I couldnt find malwarebytes lol

And I never see adults play gta anymore, not even me.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

I couldnt find malwarebytes lol

on pcpp? I mean, it doesn't exactly have to be part of the parts list. Same thing for windows, we know it's there.

[mariushm]

Go with a single 480-512 GB SSD of higher quality, lose the mechanical drive.  You have around 200 GB for the operating system and 300 GB for games.

ADATA Ultimate SU650 480 GB is 52$ ... you're saving ~ 15$ here.

Forget the antivirus, you can go with Avira or some other free antivirus.

 

Here's a better configuration :

 

mb has 4 memory slots, so you can add more memory later.

maybe if you want you can go with 2 sticks running at 3000 or 3200 Mhz

you have a proper RX 570 video card that can play GTA and even newly released games at 1080p high quality.

Ryzen 3 1200 is about as fast as 2200g, but should still keep up with modern games. Good value at 60$. Comes with cooler and thermal paste so no need to buy separately.

Ryzen 5 1600 would be the next best thing, it's ~ 100-115$ for six cores, 12 threads.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$71.00 @ Amazon
Memory	Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$38.99 @ Amazon
Storage	ADATA Ultimate SU650 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$51.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4 GB PULSE Video Card	$119.99 @ Newegg
Case	Thermaltake Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$29.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$31.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$433.83
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$403.83
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-02 13:36 EDT-0400

 

 

 

 

[Thready]

It's not going to run GTA super well but it will run those other games pretty solidly.

 

I think it's a great choice for a kid's first build. You didn't overspend on things you don't need.

[TheJ]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

on pcpp? I mean, it doesn't exactly have to be part of the parts list. Same thing for windows, we know it's there.

Yea, I searched and it just wouldnt show for me

Ill check again

[TheJ]

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

Go with a single 480-512 GB SSD of higher quality, lose the mechanical drive.  You have around 200 GB for the operating system and 300 GB for games.

ADATA Ultimate SU650 480 GB is 52$ ... you're saving ~ 15$ here.

Forget the antivirus, you can go with Avira or some other free antivirus.

 

Here's a better configuration :

 

mb has 4 memory slots, so you can add more memory later.

maybe if you want you can go with 2 sticks running at 3000 or 3200 Mhz

you have a proper RX 570 video card that can play GTA and even newly released games at 1080p high quality.

RX 1200 is about as fast as 2200g, but should still keep up with modern games. Good value at 60$. Comes with cooler and thermal paste so no need to buy separately.

RX 1600 would be the next best thing 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$71.00 @ Amazon
Memory	Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$38.99 @ Amazon
Storage	ADATA Ultimate SU650 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$51.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4 GB PULSE Video Card	$119.99 @ Newegg
Case	Thermaltake Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$29.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$31.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$433.83
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$403.83
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-02 13:36 EDT-0400

 

 

 

 

Ryzen 3 2200g is literally the equivalent to an rx 570 so if anything you should use a ryzen 3 2200g with and rx 570 for double the performance and a bit cheaper.

[TheJ]

Ryzen 5 1200 would have less performance that 3 2200 but it still works

[eemunni]

2 minutes ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

Ryzen 3 2200g is literally the equivalent to an rx 570 so if anything you should use a ryzen 3 2200g with and rx 570 for double the performance and a bit cheaper.

Hmm no. https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-8-Ryzen-iGPU-vs-AMD-RX-570/m441833vs3924

[mariushm]

Just now, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

Ryzen 3 2200g is literally the equivalent to an rx 570 so if anything you should use a ryzen 3 2200g with and rx 570 for double the performance and a bit cheaper.

No, not really. Performance wise, it's somewhere lower performance than GT 1050 and maybe between RX 550 and RX 560.

 

It will work for minecraft and mostly 2D / 2.5D games,  there you can say it's same performance, but not for 3D games like GTA, Fortnite, 3D games.

RX 570 will be way more powerful there. The 4 GB memory buffer will allow you to play GTA at 1080p with good quality settings, the integrated graphics in 2200g will make you play at 720p low-medium, or 1080p low quality

 

Ryzen 2200g is basically Ryzen 3 1200 + video card ... but the frequency of cpu cores will often be slowed down so that the cpu doesn't overheat when the integrated graphics part also runs and do heavy work.

 

 

[TheJ]

2 minutes ago, eemunni said:

Hmm no. https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-8-Ryzen-iGPU-vs-AMD-RX-570/m441833vs3924

Userbenchmark doesnt tell the real results, just other users results.

[AngryBeaver]

44 minutes ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

These games include minecraft, roblox, gta, etcetera. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Imaginebeinggay/saved/ZRmvWZ

 

 

I would go for something more like this. It is about $150 more, but you get a much better cpu that supports pci-e 16 and you also get a dedicated gpu which you will need for some of those games.

 

I went with a bigger m.2 SSD 240 vs 120. I also went with a 2tb HDD vs a 1tb, but the total price of the two is the same as yours basically. You were overpaying for storage. For your memory I went with faster 3000 because that is sorta a sweet spot with gen 2 ryzen.

 

Anyways if you can stretch your budget this would be the way to go. I didn't even look at the case, but I am sure there are better options in your price segment.

 

Ok the https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BVc48d/diypc-visionii-blackgreen-atx-mid-tower-case-visionii-bg

Is 10 bucks more but comes with 4 fans.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$129.30 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$64.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Team Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$41.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Kingston A400 240 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$31.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Hitachi Ultrastar 7K3000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$41.88 @ Amazon
Video Card	Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4 GB PULSE Video Card	$119.99 @ Newegg
Case	Aerocool Cylon ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair VS 450 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply	$37.98 @ Newegg
Monitor	Acer SB220Q bi 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor	$89.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$623.00
	Mail-in rebates	-$15.00
	Total	$608.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-02 13:54 EDT-0400

 

 

 

[Fasauceome]

13 minutes ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

Ryzen 3 2200g is literally the equivalent to an rx 570

according to who?

 

13 minutes ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

ryzen 3 2200g with and rx 570 for double the performance

you can't combine integrated graphics and a graphics card to "double performance"

[mariushm]

Dude, just look at 2200g reviews and the fps in various games, and then look at RX 570 reviews and the scores at various games

 

2200g reviews: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/search?q=2200g&products=1&reviews=1

RX 570 reviews : https://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/search?q=RX+570+4GB&products=1&reviews=1

 

The integrated graphics in 2200g is much weaker than RX 570 because it's limited by the amount of cooling it can get (must stay in 65w TDP) and it's limited by the computer's memory bandwidth (the DDR4 memory).

The RX 570 has it's own dedicated 4 GB of GDDR5 memory which runs at maybe 2-4x times faster than your regular DDR4 memory and the gpu chip itself has more than twice the amount of processing power.

 

Anyway, I gave you a configuration which gives you much better performance for less price (after 30 dollars worth of mail in rebates)... up to you what you want to do.

 

edit: no , you can't combine 2200g with rx 570, they won't work in crossfire or whatever... and the integrated graphics in 2200g would only slow down the RX 570 if the RX 570 is your main graphics card.

Also, the 2200g cpu would only have 8 pci-e lanes for video card coming out the cpu, the other 8 are permanently locked to the gpu inside.

The 1200 would give you the full 16 pci-e lanes for video cards.

Not saying video cards are chocked by having only 8 pci-e lanes ... there's probably less than 1% performance loss running dedicated video card on pci-e x8.

[AngryBeaver]

23 minutes ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

Ryzen 5 1200 would have less performance that 3 2200 but it still works

If he has a microcenter they are selling the 1600x for 64.99. Then you get a 30 dollar discount for the motherboard which brings the motherboard cost to like 20-25 bucks.

 

This is why I love microcenter lol

[Fasauceome]

8 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The integrated graphics in 2200g is much weaker than RX 570 because it's limited by the amount of cooling it can get (must stay in 65w TDP) and it's limited by the computer's memory bandwidth (the DDR4 memory).

well it's also only 8 Vega compute units, while the RX 570 has a ton of polaris compute units, so the GPU die on the 570 is way bigger. 

[AngryBeaver]

39 minutes ago, RookieAtPcBuilding said:

Ryzen 3 2200g is literally the equivalent to an rx 570 so if anything you should use a ryzen 3 2200g with and rx 570 for double the performance and a bit cheaper.

The 2400g is the equivalent of a GT 1030 nvidia card... which is the lowest model they sell for 10th gen. The 2200g is SLOWER than the 2400g

 

watch this the video below then consider the 5x 570 is about 3x the performance of the 1030. Which brings me to the my next point. If you do not know what you are talking about please don't spew it here where someone might make a decision based on your false information.

 

*edit* a better video