How hot are the Ryzen CPUs compared to Intels? Do AMD CPU's still get hot as heck?

[goshot]

Hello, I'm planning on building a new PC and someone recomended I get an Intel CPU because AMD's CPUs still have some kind of thermal problems - they still overheat, not as much as the RX lineup, and that degrades and kills off the CPU in the long run. Is this true? To what extent is this true?

How many years can a Ryzen 1600, 2600 or 2400G last with stock cooling, the only intensive tasks being up to 4 hours of gaming per day.

How many years can an Intel Core i3/i5 last with stock cooling, doing the same?

 

Do Intel CPU last longer (in terms of years) than AMD CPUs? More specifically, do they last longer than Ryzen? I know the ryzen lineup is just 3 years old at this point but does anyone have an idea or approximation how many years a Ryzen chip will last?

Is this why i can't find any laptops with Ryzen?

[PopsicleHustler]

With proper maintenance any CPU will last longer than you need to. And no, Ryzen includes nice stock coolers with some of their CPUs that even allow you to do some mild overclocking.

 

As for Ryzen laptops - Search better. I typed "Ryzen Laptop" in amazon UK search and got a whole bunch of laptops with Ryzen CPUs.

[GOTSpectrum]

Ryzen is just a superior product(for the most part), they use less power, run cooler, technically should last longer due to lower temps and indirectly higher core counts. 

 

As for stock cooling, you'd be taking the piss to use intel stock cooler tbh on almost anything, but AMD actually give you coolers that can handle the chip AT BOOST.

 

The trust is we won't really know how long anything last until time passes, it was once thought that single cores would all a normal user would need, megabit internet was thought to be fast enough once upon a time, the idea of needing to address more than 4gb of ram was laughable. 

 

The truth is we just don't know how long it will be until there is some kind of revolution in the way computers work and everything we have now will be redundant. That is an extreme example but it has happened before, and it will happen again, maybe not today or tomorrow, but eventually. 

[goshot]

3 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

With proper maintenance any CPU will last longer than you need to. And no, Ryzen includes nice stock coolers with some of their CPUs that even allow you to do some mild overclocking.

 

As for Ryzen laptops - Search better. I typed "Ryzen Laptop" in amazon UK search and got a whole bunch of laptops with Ryzen CPUs.

3 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Ryzen is just a superior product(for the most part), they use less power, run cooler, technically should last longer due to lower temps and indirectly higher core counts. 

 

As for stock cooling, you'd be taking the piss to use intel stock cooler tbh on almost anything, but AMD actually give you coolers that can handle the chip AT BOOST.

 

The trust is we won't really know how long anything last until time passes, it was once thought that single cores would all a normal user would need, megabit internet was thought to be fast enough once upon a time, the idea of needing to address more than 4gb of ram was laughable. 

 

The truth is we just don't know how long it will be until there is some kind of revolution in the way computers work and everything we have now will be redundant. That is an extreme example but it has happened before, and it will happen again, maybe not today or tomorrow, but eventually. 

 

For a second there i was thinking i'd have to switch to intel all of a sudden after all my research. Thanks for the clarification guys!!!

My bad on the laptop part, when i was searching for laptops all of them had intel cpu's.

[Windows7ge]

It should be noted there's 2 temps to pay attention to tctl & tdie. tdie is the ~legitimate temp while tcrl is a deliberately implemented offset. Depending on the RYZEN CPU you're looking into they have (or use to have) a 20°C offset over the real temperature.

 

So if your CPU was idling saying 55°C it was really 35°C which is pretty normal.

 

Another example is Threadripper they use a 27°C offset so when you're under full load and it says 92°C it's really 65°C which is within spec.

 

I don't know what the state of the current gen is. I'd have to research the CPU series you're after specifically.

[porina]

Intel stock cooler is ok for dual cores but not anything more. I'm not finding the AMD ones to be that great either. Wraith Prism (supplied with 3700X) is inadequate for 24/7 crunching on a 3600 (came with Wraith Spire?). Temps easily go into the 90's and it makes a lot of noise. I'd still consider a decent aftermarket cooler as essential for Zen 2.

 

I also had a 2600, and whatever came with that was inadequate and loud too. Not really different from Intel's. The 1600 came with a bigger heatsink that was better. 

 

The problem with Zen 2 isn't in the total power as it might be on earlier CPUs. The working theory is that because everything is smaller, the heat is more concentrated and that is proving more difficult to tame. Earlier Ryzen doesn't have that problem.

[goshot]

1 minute ago, Windows7ge said:

It should be noted there's 2 temps to pay attention to tctl & tdie. tdie is the ~legitimate temp while tcrl is a deliberately implemented offset. Depending on the RYZEN CPU you're looking into they have (or use to have) a 20°C offset over the real temperature.

 

So if your CPU was idling saying 55°C it was really 35°C which is pretty normal.

 

Another example is Threadripper they use a 27°C offset so when you're under full load and it says 92°C it's really 65°C which is within spec.

 

I don't know what the state of the current gen is. I'd have to research the CPU series you're after specifically.

I didn't know there are 2 tpyes of temps. I guess i gotta look into more reviews to look them up right? Or they aren't that important to look up?

[goshot]

15 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

I don't know what the state of the current gen is. I'd have to research the CPU series you're after specifically.

 

I'm looking at Ryzen 5 1600, 2600 and 2400G. I'd be very thankful if you research and find their temps!

 

13 minutes ago, porina said:

Intel stock cooler is ok for dual cores but not anything more. I'm not finding the AMD ones to be that great either. Wraith Prism (supplied with 3700X) is inadequate for 24/7 crunching on a 3600 (came with Wraith Spire?). Temps easily go into the 90's and it makes a lot of noise. I'd still consider a decent aftermarket cooler as essential for Zen 2.

 

I also had a 2600, and whatever came with that was inadequate and loud too. Not really different from Intel's. The 1600 came with a bigger heatsink that was better. 

 

The problem with Zen 2 isn't in the total power as it might be on earlier CPUs. The working theory is that because everything is smaller, the heat is more concentrated and that is proving more difficult to tame. Earlier Ryzen doesn't have that problem.

I didn't know about that theory either. So a ryzen 1600 isn't a bad option after all? I'm not planning on getting Zen 2 anytime soon, only Zen+ at best. I think the 2600 came with Wraith Spire, i heard it was good enough for stock settings. How loud is it?

Also, i forgot to mention this but the questions were for stock specs, non-overclocked. Are the coolers a little bad for stock 3600 and for the rest of the last gen CPUs?

 

[Windows7ge]

5 minutes ago, goshot said:

I didn't know there are 2 tpyes of temps. I guess i gotta look into more reviews to look them up right? Or they aren't that important to look up?

Assuming the tctl/tdie offset still exists on the CPU you buy it may be worth knowing just so you don't panic when your CPU is at 80°C while playing a game.

[Windows7ge]

29 minutes ago, goshot said:

I'm looking at Ryzen 5 1600, 2600 and 2400G. I'd be very thankful if you research and find their temps!

For those 3 processors of what I was able to find AMD removed the tCTL offsets. Now if you use something like HWiNFO just pay attention to the tDIE temp. This is your ~real temperature. The tCTL values may still be reported but they won't matter.

 

For example here's my CPU under 100% load:

Gen 1 Threadripper has 2 active dies so it reports two tCTL:tDIE temps. Touching 94°C sounds scary hot but that isn't the real temp. It's maxing out at 68°C which is fine.

[goshot]

5 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

For those 3 processors of what I was able to find AMD removed the tCTL offsets. Now if you use something like HWiNFO just pay attention to the tDIE temp. This is your ~real temperature. The tCTL values may still be reported but they won't matter.

 

For example here's my CPU under 100% load:

Gen 1 Threadripper has 2 active dies so it reports two tCTL:tDIE temps. Touching 94°C sounds scary hot but that isn't the real temp. It's maxing out at 68°C which is fine.

Why does tctl eeven exist? What's the point in the huge temperature offset?

[C17H23NO2]

No temp. offset for the mentioned CPU's. 
Also recommend aftermarket cooler for R5 2600 , especially if you want to overclock. 
Stock cooler gave me solid 90°C in hardcore gaming. With PBO activated i actually maxed out at 98°C while benchmarking. So a no go from my side. 

If there's not much difference in price i can clearly recommend the 2600 over the 1600. 

[goshot]

11 minutes ago, C17H23NO2 said:

No temp. offset for the mentioned CPU's. 
Also recommend aftermarket cooler for R5 2600 , especially if you want to overclock. 
Stock cooler gave me solid 90°C in hardcore gaming. With PBO activated i actually maxed out at 98°C while benchmarking. So a no go from my side. 

If there's not much difference in price i can clearly recommend the 2600 over the 1600. 

I'm not a huge gamer, i'll play sometimes, but not much. And most games ill be playing are indie.

There is a somewhat big difference in price for me, so i'd liek to stick with that if i can.

Got any idea about the temps on the 1600 and the 2400G?

[Windows7ge]

11 minutes ago, goshot said:

Why does tctl eeven exist? What's the point in the huge temperature offset?

As far as I've seen their reasoning has something to do with consistency in their fan profiles. Making sure the fans spin up to a high enough RPM when they need to.

[porina]

1 hour ago, goshot said:

So a ryzen 1600 isn't a bad option after all? I'm not planning on getting Zen 2 anytime soon, only Zen+ at best. I think the 2600 came with Wraith Spire, i heard it was good enough for stock settings. How loud is it?

Also, i forgot to mention this but the questions were for stock specs, non-overclocked. Are the coolers a little bad for stock 3600 and for the rest of the last gen CPUs?

The 1600 was a cool CPU and came with a (relatively) big cooler. That was ok but the clocks on it are a bit low by today's standards. Still perfectly fine for 60 Hz gaming but may be lacking if you want much more unless you manually overclock.

The 2600 was probably not that different from a 1600, but the cooler is half the size. I didn't keep that cooler on it for long, and it is long enough ago I forgot exactly how bad it was. Suffice to say, the cooler didn't stay on it for more than an evening. 2600 is a better all round CPU though, but you should plan to get a better cooler if you get it to ensure you get the most out of it. Doesn't have to be extravagant if you're not overclocking it. I've been using ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO as my value considered cooler for example. Don't need to pay double that for high end.

I don't know if they're exactly the same, but the 3600 stock cooler looks about the same size as the 2600 one from memory.

 

BTW I own 1600, 1700, 2600, 3600, 3700X from new, although I gave away the 1600 now.

[goshot]

10 minutes ago, porina said:

The 1600 was a cool CPU and came with a (relatively) big cooler. That was ok but the clocks on it are a bit low by today's standards. Still perfectly fine for 60 Hz gaming but may be lacking if you want much more unless you manually overclock.

The 2600 was probably not that different from a 1600, but the cooler is half the size. I didn't keep that cooler on it for long, and it is long enough ago I forgot exactly how bad it was. Suffice to say, the cooler didn't stay on it for more than an evening. 2600 is a better all round CPU though, but you should plan to get a better cooler if you get it to ensure you get the most out of it. Doesn't have to be extravagant if you're not overclocking it. I've been using ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO as my value considered cooler for example. Don't need to pay double that for high end.

I don't know if they're exactly the same, but the 3600 stock cooler looks about the same size as the 2600 one from memory.

 

BTW I own 1600, 1700, 2600, 3600, 3700X from new, although I gave away the 1600 now.

Yeah iirc the 2600 and 3600 coolers are the same. Interesting how the 1600 had a bigger heatsink then a the 2600. Would you still recommend a new cooler for the 1600 even if i'm not gaming that much?
What's your opinion on the 2400G? Got any expereince with them?

[porina]

11 minutes ago, goshot said:

Yeah iirc the 2600 and 3600 coolers are the same. Interesting how the 1600 had a bigger heatsink then a the 2600. Would you still recommend a new cooler for the 1600 even if i'm not gaming that much?

It's been a while but the 1600 with stock cooler I'd rate as adequate.

 

11 minutes ago, goshot said:

What's your opinion on the 2400G? Got any expereince with them?

No experience. From memory, aren't they both power limited and also non-overclockable outside certain mobo models with features to get around it. I kinda thought about them now and then but never did get one. Don't really have a use myself, other than "I can".

[goshot]

1 minute ago, porina said:

It's been a while but the 1600 with stock cooler I'd rate as adequate.

 

No experience. From memory, aren't they both power limited and also non-overclockable outside certain mobo models with features to get around it. I kinda thought about them now and then but never did get one. Don't really have a use myself, other than "I can".

Power limited, i don't know, but they're overclockable, but i won't be overclocking anything besides the RAM. Well it also depends on the motherboard, if it has good enough VRMs than yeah you can overclock it, otherwise it poor VRMs everything will be usntable.
What would you say is the use of a 2400G? Who is it targeted for?
I'm not the biggest gamer and idk how much i'll be playing, especially new titles, so i'm on a crossroad - either 1600+rx 570 or just a 2400G, and potentially upgrade in the future.

[porina]

59 minutes ago, goshot said:

What would you say is the use of a 2400G? Who is it targeted for?
I'm not the biggest gamer and idk how much i'll be playing, especially new titles, so i'm on a crossroad - either 1600+rx 570 or just a 2400G, and potentially upgrade in the future.

Very low cost gaming system. It's been a while since I looked at reviews, but I'd expect 1080p at low settings, possibly even lower resolution for more graphically intensive games. 1600+570 would give a lot more potential.

[xg32]

1 hour ago, goshot said:

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zen 1 and zen + is slower than intel across all power limits (iirc zen 1 was 3.5ghz 65w 3.7 95w 4.0 150w), zen+ was 200mhz faster across the board while the 9900k runs about 4.4-4.6ghz on 95w depending on silicon lottery, with better ipc than the first zen parts. Zen 2 however is even or ahead of the 9900k in everything except gaming, they come with a cooler too

 

the 2400G is good for 720p gaming or 1080p esports titles, if you play triple games at 1080p/60hz get a used 1600 and a used 570 and ur set.

[goshot]

15 minutes ago, xg32 said:

zen 1 and zen + is slower than intel across all power limits (iirc zen 1 was 3.5ghz 65w 3.7 95w 4.0 150w), zen+ was 200mhz faster across the board while the 9900k runs about 4.4-4.6ghz on 95w depending on silicon lottery, with better ipc than the first zen parts. Zen 2 however is even or ahead of the 9900k in everything except gaming, they come with a cooler too

 

the 2400G is good for 720p gaming or 1080p esports titles, if you play triple games at 1080p/60hz get a used 1600 and a used 570 and ur set.

21 minutes ago, porina said:

Very low cost gaming system. It's been a while since I looked at reviews, but I'd expect 1080p at low settings, possibly even lower resolution for more graphically intensive games. 1600+570 would give a lot more potential.

I'm concerned about used parts because most of the GPUs i've seen were used for cryptocurrency mining. Isn't getting a gpu like that more prone to dying earlier?

I wanna game, but not very much - i've got some other interests and i don't wanna ignore them or stop doing them because i'm playing too much. I wanna watch shows, write stories, do a little programming, and i'm a little worried if i start gaming too much i'll stop doing my other hobbies. What would you suggest in this situation? Still get the 1600?

[xg32]

13 minutes ago, goshot said:

I'm concerned about used parts because most of the GPUs i've seen were used for cryptocurrency mining. Isn't getting a gpu like that more prone to dying earlier?

I wanna game, but not very much - i've got some other interests and i don't wanna ignore them or stop doing them because i'm playing too much. I wanna watch shows, write stories, do a little programming, and i'm a little worried if i start gaming too much i'll stop doing my other hobbies. What would you suggest in this situation? Still get the 1600?

the 1600/2600 should be widely available on ebay due to zen 2 launch, and 570s are widely available from the chip crash last year (they had them for 125usd with 2 free games on newegg, that was after the mining boom), both of these parts used from a 99%+ seller on ebay is the way to go imho, if you find a 1700/2700 for cheap needs.If you don't wanna buy used then i recommend a 2600 for 20usd more instead.

 

rx 570 for 120usd

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-570-100412p4gocl/p/N82E16814202283?Description=rx 570&cm_re=rx_570-_-14-202-283-_-Product

[goshot]

7 minutes ago, xg32 said:

the 1600/2600 should be widely available on ebay due to zen 2 launch, and 570s are widely available from the chip crash last year (they had them for 125usd with 2 free games on newegg, that was after the mining boom), both of these parts used from a 99%+ seller on ebay is the way to go imho, if you find a 1700/2700 for cheap needs.If you don't wanna buy used then i recommend a 2600 for 20usd more instead.

 

rx 570 for 120usd

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-570-100412p4gocl/p/N82E16814202283?Description=rx 570&cm_re=rx_570-_-14-202-283-_-Product

Thanks for the suggestions! About newegg, I'm from bulgaria and if i order something from newegg the shipping fees will make it almost the same price here, and if the GPU or anything i ordered fails i gotta ship it back and pay for that again, so i'll pass on that. Never used ebay, so the prices for shipping can be better, but the problem with the warranties still stays.