Parents Don't Like Phones At Schools

[suicidalfranco]

1 minute ago, Arika S said:

take phones to school, leave them in your locker. trying to trust kids to not just browse the internet or play games while they are supposed to be studying will not go well.

simple, quick and logical solution

[Salv8 (sam)]

in other news the sky is blue and isn't falling, more at 11...

[Salv8 (sam)]

47 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

49 minutes ago, Arika S said:

take phones to school, leave them in your locker. trying to trust kids to not just browse the internet or play games while they are supposed to be studying will not go well.

simple, quick and logical solution

this is a common solution. it does not work, kids still take when with them and use them during class time.

you can't trust kids, KND is a excellent example of what kids do when adults aren't around...

[suicidalfranco]

1 minute ago, Salv8 (sam) said:

this is a common solution. it does not work, kids still take when with them and use them during class time.

you can't trust kids, KND is a excellent example of what kids do when adults aren't around...

and that's when teachers would confiscate and only give it back to the parents

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

2 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

A 12 year old having an iPhone X is the city seal of Richmond. And you know that.

Don't forget the AirPods and Herschel bags. Then in 4 years time, they'll be driving the family Porsche like...

 

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Don't forget the AirPods and Herschel bags. Then in 4 years time, they'll be driving the family Porsche like...

 

SHIT WE FORGOT THE $2000 YEEZYS AND THE $3000 SUPREME BAG

 

we're hurting the feelings of richmond residents by ccp standards

[sof006]

When I was a kid I didn't have a mobile phone at school. Had no need for one. I don't see why a child needs to stay in touch, they're at school to learn not stay in touch. Kids don't need mobile phones, at a stretch I'd say maybe yes in 2nd school/high school if kids are travelling to and from school by themselves but not kids who are at primary school.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, sof006 said:

When I was a kid I didn't have a mobile phone at school. Had no need for one. I don't see why a child needs to stay in touch, they're at school to learn not stay in touch. Kids don't need mobile phones, at a stretch I'd say maybe yes in 2nd school/high school if kids are travelling to and from school by themselves but not kids who are at primary school.

I'd surely hope they weren't talking about primary school. 

[Froody129]

As someone in school now in the 'phone era' I definitely see why you would want to ban phones in school/class. I see kids who honestly cannot help themselves, they play games all day in class and don't speak to anyone at school because they only look at their phones.

 

On the other hand phones are enormously valuable to education, and it's not like they'll disappear in the work environment. At work you'll just be told you no longer have a job. 

 

There's no use mindlessly banning everything. Young people are still people, and they should be taught how to moderate instead 

[Doobeedoo]

Yes seeing kids everywhere drooling on phones doing the dumbest shit and parents giving little fuck is sad. Really a big part is parenting, parents these days are just morons. 

[CTR640]

When I was on school at age 12 up to 18, I didn't have a phone and it turned out pretty well. However, in this age of the easy accessible internet using phone it can be handy if you need to search for something but then again, do you really need a phone at such young age? Most young people/kids would post shit on instagram, snapchat and more of the other (a)social media crap behind their parents back.

 

But one thing is for certain, we had a lot of nice social contact without phones.

[Trik'Stari]

Personally, I was glad I didn't have a phone growing up.

 

Mainly, because my parents couldn't call me at midnight on a Friday or Saturday night and say "it's time to come home" like all my friends parents did.

 

Knowing that that call was coming, my friends all drank harder and faster, did more drugs, etc. They were always in a rush to cram in as much partying as they could before midnight.

 

I took my time and just had fun, knowing I just had to be home before my dad got up at 5am.

 

8 hours ago, mr moose said:

They want them banned because the social peer pressure is too strong to wade against(meaning if they take their kids phones they ostracize them socially while a school ban means everyone is without).  Victoria has new laws that ban phones in all government schools.  There is a fair bit of research going on at the moment and it will be interesting to see the results.  As someone who has worked in education over the last 8 years (years 3-10) I don't think it is a bad thing to ban phones whilst at school.  There are plenty of resources available to students that the phone is not an indispensable tool.

Idea: A flip phone that can be set to only send and receive calls and texts from family members, during certain hours.

 

So while you're at school, your phone can only send and receive calls from family members. Before or after school, it acts like a normal flip phone.

 

I say flip phone because even in my day cell phones were bad enough, giving your kid a smart phone is just a terrible idea in my opinion.

[bcredeur97]

proper use of the internet can be a significant help in school, but it can also be a significant distraction.

People by nature will rather be distracted. I mean... it's more fun to distract yourself with something stupid than learn something useful.

So the question we should be answering here is how do we teach kids to be responsible? How to we grab their interest of the internet and take it away from memes and social media to "oh my god I can learn whatever I want on this"?

If we can't achieve that it's not worth it... the kids will just be endlessly distracted and it won't end well.

[DeScruff]

Man my old highschool was built like a Faraday cage. You walk in and you have no signal, you walk out 10 feet and all the sudden you got a million and a half text messages.

 

My jobs like that too. It's quite obnoxious here since there are a lot of random things we need to google. But I can't imagine the same exact situation at school.

 

I did get into highschool right as Smartphones were taking off, and I still remember a kid being annoyed that he had to buy a $100 TI calculator (couldn't buy a Casio or HP, had to be a TI) rather then use a graphing calculator app on his phone. - and this was one of the actual good kids who never gave the teacher any trouble or anything.

[Sauron]

10 hours ago, Beskamir said:

It should be up to the student to decide if they want their phone to be a distraction or a helpful tool. Being able to quickly google something can be better than stopping the entire class to ask a trivial or off topic question so even though most people would prefer to distract themselves with their phones I think we shouldn't punish those that would use their phone to aid their learning.

Unfortunately using your phone in class distracts other students as well. As for googling, it's better to ask a "trivial" question to the person who's there for the express purpose of teaching you than to use google and maybe miss a part of the lesson in the process. "Stopping the entire class" isn't a waste of time, other students also benefit from the answer to your question. Not to mention high school kids (let alone anyone younger) aren't really known for their self control and being able to pay attention in spite of distractions.

 

I wouldn't say we need to ban phones in schools, after all they can be useful in emergencies and there's no reason to prevent their use during breaks, but I also think it's a good idea to limit or completely disallow their use during the lessons.

10 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

make classes way less boring and inane and the kids might want to pay attention

Doesn't work, no matter how good of a teacher you are and how well the class is designed there will always be times where the students can't be arsed to pay attention, not to mention that many students are simply not interested in some subjects. Some things are just inherently boring to some people. As someone who had attention issues, I would often rather look at the birds out the window or pick at my fingernails than pay attention to anything that was being said, and not because the class was particularly boring. Imagine being able to just take out a phone and do whatever with the teacher not being allowed to stop me. You'd end up with a teacher talking to the void and all students ignoring him.

 

In university you're an adult and can do whatever you want with your opportunity at getting an education, in middle and high school you're there because you must learn the bare minimum to function in society. It would be negligent to allow you to throw that away, within reason of course.

10 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

I was a teacher, had to learn to entertain my students or they didn't listen. Teachers gotta learn too, learn how to be engaging. We should hold educators to a higher standard, it's too easy to be a teacher.

With that said, stricter requirements for teachers definitely wouldn't hurt, so I agree with you on that.

10 hours ago, Derrk said:

imo let the kids have phones, but punish them accordingly if they use them irresponsibly. It's a good tool for kids to have on them, such as to tell their folks that practice is over or was cancelled if they need a ride home

That would just end in an endless fight over the definition of "irresponsible" use, not to mention it would be impossible for teachers to tell if the kid is looking up a wikipedia page or just their facebook feed.

10 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

The solution starts with the parents. A 12 year old kid does not need the latest iPhone with a data plan. Why does a kid need the same caliber of device and mobile service as a CEO? 

I would argue a CEO doesn't need it either, but I digress

 

Either way, at that point it's up to the parent - what isn't up to the parent is 1) what their kid does with that phone once they are at school and 2) what other kids might do with their phones to disrupt the class and influence the quality of education offered.

9 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

Agreed.

Teachers have the power to make or break the learning experience, if the teacher isn't willing to put in the effort to actually engage with the students in a meaningful way, then they shouldn't expect every single student to be excited to learn new things or even improve in the subject.

Except the students are the ones who suffer the consequences. At the end of the day it makes no tangible difference to the teacher whether you learned anything or not - hence why some teachers just don't bother.

10 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

A couple of thousands of years of education existed before cellphones, and the modern ones really are mostly distraction devices. So, at one level, they get in the way. On another level, they actually serve the major purpose of modern "education", which is really just housing students for 6+ hours a day.

Sounds like a certain country needs to invest more in public education.

[kelvinhall05]

It would be a lot of work but would piss of a lot less people if schools banned phones for certain people or classes. I know I use my phone as a tool, but I know kids who never know what's happening or how to do the assignment because they're too busy on Snapchat or whatever.

[Zodiark1593]

1 hour ago, Sypran said:

I did get into highschool right as Smartphones were taking off, and I still remember a kid being annoyed that he had to buy a $100 TI calculator (couldn't buy a Casio or HP, had to be a TI) rather then use a graphing calculator app on his phone. - and this was one of the actual good kids who never gave the teacher any trouble or anything.

Texas Instruments Calculators are quite the ripoff nowadays. A smartphone can be had for as low as $25 new. Granted, it's slow, but dual 1.2 GHz Cortex A7s >>>>> Z80/ARM9 derivative (FYI, the ARM9 was the main cpu for the Nintendo DS). Not to mention even the lowly 480P display still outstrips the 320P display in the TI.

 

While I understand that a calculator doesn't need more than an ARM9 anyway, there is absolutely no (technical) reason that a TI graphing calculator should cost more than $30 tops.

 

[lewdicrous]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Except the students are the ones who suffer the consequences. At the end of the day it makes no tangible difference to the teacher whether you learned anything or not - hence why some teachers just don't bother.

That's the problem, shitty teachers have a "pass or fail, I still get paid" kinda mentality and that's just unacceptable; they're responsible for educating their students and they should be held accountable for their shortcomings as a teacher.

Of course, a number of teachers are still gonna act that way cause nothing will negatively affect their career as you mentioned, and well, who's gonna believe the students if they complain? Speaking from experience, the student is going to be blamed for the teacher's ineptitude. 

[Sauron]

12 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

That's the problem, shitty teachers have a "pass or fail, I still get paid" kinda mentality and that's just unacceptable; they responsible for educating their students and they should be held accountable for their shortcomings as a teacher.

Of course, a number of teachers are still gonna act that way cause nothing will negatively affect their life/career like you mentioned and well, who's gonna believe the students if they complain? Speaking from experience, the student is going to be blamed for the teacher's ineptitude. 

Ok, but that's not really relevant to this conversation - that IS a problem, but students getting distracted by their phones is also a problem.

[TomvanWijnen]

12 hours ago, floofer said:

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The survey, of just over 1,000 people, also suggested that the average value of gadgets taken to school by each child was £301.

This is the value that I do disagree with. 301 pounds is like around 400 USD or something like that. Its a large amount of value to give a kid, especially when it could get dropped or etc. Then again, value in phones has gone up in recent years. Just not sure about this value however. 

Just look at the price of iPhones and other flagship phones. To be honest I'm surprised it isn't higher. Perhaps it's because of the area I'm in, but in one (or perhaps more even) of my classes EVERYONE except me and ONE other person had an iPhone... We were 15, 16, 17 or so back then?....

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

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[lewdicrous]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Ok, but that's not really relevant to this conversation - that IS a problem, but students getting distracted by their phones is also a problem.

It's kinda relevant in a roundabout way imo; if the student isn't being engaged or is not enjoying the learning process, then they'll find something else to fill their minds, phones are just one part of the issue, if the phone isn't there, then they'll talk to their friends, draw, sleep, etc.

Again, talking from experience as a student, we didn't have phones for the most part when I was younger and people still got distracted, could you argue that more kids are getting distracted nowadays because of phone? Yea, sure, but I don't feel like just taking the phones away is gonna solve the problem, like I said, phones are just one part of the issue.

[X-System]

13 hours ago, floofer said:

Half of parents 'want mobile phones banned in schools'

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49515632

Only 49% ? It's not enough...

 

In France, it's 82% of parents who want mobile phones banned in schools : https://www.generation-nt.com/telephone-ecole-82-francais-veulent-interdiction-actualite-1967872.html

 

 

EDIT : Google Translate : https://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.generation-nt.com%2Ftelephone-ecole-82-francais-veulent-interdiction-actualite-1967872.html

[Sauron]

16 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

It's kinda relevant in a roundabout way imo; if the student isn't being engaged or is not enjoying the learning process, then they'll find something else to fill their minds, phones are just one part of the issue, if the phone isn't there, then they'll talk to their friends, draw, sleep, etc.

Again, talking from experience as a student, we didn't have phones for the most part when I was younger and people still got distracted, could you argue that more kids are getting distracted nowadays because of phone? Yea, sure, but I don't feel like just taking the phones away is gonna solve the problem, like I said, phones are just one part of the issue.

Of course phones aren't the only issue, but since they are an issue why not act on that considering it's much easier and faster than doing other things? As we both said, students are going to get distracted no matter what - but it's easier and more disruptive to do that with a phone.

[TetraSky]

There are some good and practical reasons to have a phone in schools... It can be used to learn extra stuff, especially good for schools on a low budget that can't get a computer or tablet to each students.

But lets face it, it's not used correctly most of the time.

 

I'm of the mindset that unless you literally have actual responsibilities that require you to always be available (like if you have kids of your own... which is unlikely for the large majority of kids in school...), your phone should either stay in your locker or be left in the possession of the teacher if they do have responsibilities until whenever said class ends. They can play with it during recess and lunch time, not during class.

Class time should exclusively be reserved for learning, not for texting or webbrowsing unrelated content.