First PC Build. Weird situation, need some help.

[Peluge]

Hey everybody. I'm currently working on my first PC build and I'm in kind of a sticky situation, mostly stemming from the fact that I'm not super knowledgeable.

 

Essentially, I already have a few of the parts in my possession currently and have had them for a while, meaning returns aren't really an option. I'm willing to sell some of the components I have in order to put the money towards re-configuring this build and hopefully getting something out of it that meets my desires in terms of performance. I'm looking for a high end build with longevity, some room for overclocking as well. The parts I'm looking to sell currently are my CPU (i5-7600k), my motherboard (MSI Pro Series B250M LGA1151), and a monitor (AOC 27" 1080p60hz). The CPU and motherboard are both brand new so if they sell, the money I get back + my current budget should put me somewhere around $1300 USD.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/whMkGG

 

This is where I'm headed currently as far as what the improved/fixed build will be, but as I said I'm not all that knowledgeable and so far have only caused more trouble trying to determine things on my own so anything that should be changed for stability reasons or, if I could get more performance for a little more money here or there I'm taking all the advice I can get. The parts that I'd prefer to keep in the build if possible (mostly because I own them already, but am still open to upgrading or adding to) are the case, memory, storage, the PSU and the monitor. These parts will be marked with (*) on the list below.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Full parts list for those who don't like links:

CPU: Intel Core i5-9600k 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

*CPU Cooler: CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

*Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory

*Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB Video Card

*Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case

*PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

*Monitor: LG 34WK650-W 34.0" 2560x1080 60 Hz Monitor

*External Storage: Western Digital My Passport Slim 1 TB External HDD

[Streetguru]

7 minutes ago, Peluge said:

 

Ya...the 7600K is super old at this point, how'd you end up buying it recently still brand new?

Do you only need your PC for gaming?

I wouldn't get a 21:9 1080p display.

[Draconid]

37 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I wouldn't get a 21:9 1080p display.

Agreed! I have one and its a bit of a nightmare, quite a few games (eg Overwatch, Metal Gear Solid 5, ect) don't have the greatest support for ultrawide 1080p monitors, I'd go with a 2560x1440p monitor if you can.

[Peluge]

46 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Ya...the 7600K is super old at this point, how'd you end up buying it recently still brand new?

Do you only need your PC for gaming?

I wouldn't get a 21:9 1080p display.

Thanks for the reply  

 

As for the situation with the CPU, that's one of the components I've had in my possession for quite some time now. I got the chip back when it was still relatively/brand new essentially, and have had it ever since, untouched. As for the monitor, much like Draconid stated in his reply I have also experienced issues with certain games lacking ultrawide 1080p support like Overwatch. I do plan on replacing this monitor with a 2560x1440p monitor eventually, but I'd like to keep this one as a secondary monitor if possible. If not I may choose to sell it as well along with the other 1080p60 one I'm currently looking to sell, and put that money towards the build revision as well.

 

Edit: I should have stated this before, apologies, but I currently own and use the LG monitor listed in the original post. Sorry for the confusion.

[Hartaj Singh]

Ok i kinda see the problem here. You're running an rtx 2070 super on a 500w power supply. That's a bad decision. U might not be that knowledgeable but at the very least u should know if you're picking up the right power supply. Your power supply is not enough to handle your gpu. Buy atleast a 700 or 750w power supply from corsair and research about power supplies first. Im serious, power supplies can make or break your system easily. Watch Linus' video on how to pick a power supply. Just search it on youtube. Also tell me what the problem is with your build.

[Streetguru]

Just now, Peluge said:

 

So all you have is the monitor, and the old CPU+motherboard?

As your build should really be an R5 3600 + RX 5700, and it needs 16gbs of dual channel memory, and there's plenty of cases around $60 that would be fine.

[brob]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($327.79 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($195.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($73.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.95 @ B&H) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Video Card  ($499.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: LG 34WK650-W 34.0" 2560x1080 60 Hz Monitor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
External Storage: Western Digital My Passport Slim 1 TB External Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $1197.71
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-31 15:57 EDT-0400

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Hartaj Singh said:

You're running an rtx 2070 super on a 500w power supply.

There's nothing wrong with that, the system is never going to go over 300W under a gaming load.

But the R5 3600 and an RX 5700 are just better for the money.

[Hartaj Singh]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

There's nothing wrong with that, the system is never going to go over 300W under a gaming load.

But the R5 3600 and an RX 5700 are just better for the money.

I think it'll be better if he gets atleast a 650w power supply for future proofing. And yes about the rx5700 and 3600 u r definitely right.

[Peluge]

1 minute ago, Hartaj Singh said:

Ok i kinda see the problem here. You're running an rtx 2070 super on a 500w power supply. That's a bad decision. U might not be that knowledgeable but at the very least u should know if you're picking up the right power supply. Your power supply is not enough to handle your gpu. Buy atleast a 700 or 750w power supply from corsair and research about power supplies first. Im serious, power supplies can make or break your system easily. Watch Linus' video on how to pick a power supply. Just search it on youtube. Also tell me what the problem is with your build.

Noted, I'll take a look, thanks.

 

I'm basically just looking to replace the parts that need replacing and keep as many as I can. I hadn't considered replacing the PSU before, but I am currently looking to sell the original CPU (7600k), motherboard (MSI Pro Series B250M LGA1151) and a (now two) monitors (AOC 27" 1080p60Hz), (LG 34WK650-W 34.0" 2560x1080 60 Hz Monitor) and put that money towards replacement parts to take their place. The parts I had in mind for replacements that I don't currently own are listed in the original post without the (*) marking in the beginning.

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Peluge said:

 

So basically everything except for the GPU?
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bVpxG

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Patriot VPN100 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $712.83

Monitor choices are like a 1080p 240hz display, a 1440p 21:9 100hz free-sync display, or some 4k 60hz display, if you go 4k try to get a 32" monitor.

[Peluge]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

So all you have is the monitor, and the old CPU+motherboard?

As your build should really be an R5 3600 + RX 5700, and it needs 16gbs of dual channel memory, and there's plenty of cases around $60 that would be fine.

I looked at the 3600 for a while as the replacement as well, instead of the 9600k. I've heard a lot of good things about Ryzen CPUs lately, but I was told it would be incompatible with the current board (MSI Pro Series B250M LGA1151). Do you have any recommendations for a replacement board if I wanted to go the AMD route? I've also heard a lot of good things about the 5700 over the 2070 Super as well.

 

As for your question, all of the parts I currently own are marked with (*) in the parts list at the bottom of the original post. This would be the case, memory, PSU, monitor, CPU Cooler and storage.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Peluge said:

 

Then ya the 3600 + RX 5700 is the best value right now. Although aftermarket cards are all out of stock still.

Should get an SSD at some point, just save that and the CPU cooler for later.

You for sure want to replace that RAM with a proper 16GB kit that's 3000mhz or better.
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bDhHvn

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Patriot VPN100 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 5700 8 GB Video Card  ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $902.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-31 16:11 EDT-0400

[brob]

13 minutes ago, Hartaj Singh said:

I think it'll be better if he gets atleast a 650w power supply for future proofing. And yes about the rx5700 and 3600 u r definitely right.

 

Given that the 550W psu is already owned it doesn't make sense to sell it and get something with less than 20% more capacity on the off chance that somewhere down the road one might need more power. 

[Peluge]

9 minutes ago, brob said:

 

Given that the 550W psu is already owned it doesn't make sense to sell it and get something with less than 20% more capacity on the off chance that somewhere down the road one might need more power. 

Yes, I was hoping to keep the PSU if possible and upgrade later if necessary. Thank you for the concise response in you previous post by the way, now between your recommendation and Streetguru's I really feel I only need to decide if I want to go for a 3600 or splurge on the 3700x instead. I guess the 3700x might be the better option for longevity purposes?

 

Edit: I also have to choose between the 2070S and the 5700 as well, but I don't know much about what sets them apart other than the benchmarks I've seen from Linus' videos or how they would stack up compared to one another when combined with the other parts in the build. For instance, whether I would see notable performance increases when combining the 5700 and the 3600 over the 2070S and the 3600, or the 5700 and 3700X vs 5700 and 2070S etc. I wish I had sought advice sooner though, I've got a lot to think about already lol.

[Streetguru]

10 minutes ago, Peluge said:

 

Hardware unboxed just did a big comparison video, the RX 5700 XT is really close in performance for less money, and you can cheat out more performance with the upscaling tech.

The 3600 is fine if you only do gaming, if you want to get into streaming or video editing then the 3700X makes more sense.
 

 

[Peluge]

13 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Hardware unboxed just did a big comparison video, the RX 5700 XT is really close in performance for less money, and you can cheat out more performance with the upscaling tech.

The 3600 is fine if you only do gaming, if you want to get into streaming or video editing then the 3700X makes more sense.
 

 

Awesome, thanks. I'd like to keep streaming open if I can but everybody likes to save money where it's possible so I'll have to make some decisions. I'll give that video a watch and put everything to thought and reply again soon with a revised build to get an opinion

[Hartaj Singh]

9 hours ago, Peluge said:

Awesome, thanks. I'd like to keep streaming open

Yea, the 3700x is better for overall performance with more cores and threads than 3600. Also, 5700 XT is definitely worth more than 5700 or rtx 2070 super. I would suggesr that you buy the custom cards like the powercolor, 3 fan version of 5700 xt rather than the reference design that is the original one if you want your graphics card to run cooler and quieter. On that note, the main difference b/w nvidia's rtx series cards and Amd radeon's rx navi (amd's new architecture) cards is that the rtx cards come with ray tracing cores which allow games with the rtx features to look better by tracing light paths and how it reflects in game in real time. However the Amd Rx navi cards dont have the same feature. But they do perform closely or even better at times. Also, Amd has stated that they will look into enabling ray tracing for future cards and they also stated that ray tracing doesn't require actual hardware and can be solved by software. So i think amd will find a solution to enable ray tracing on their cards, possibly through software instead of hardware and if you dont really care about the whole rtx ray tracing gimmick, then the rtx cards are not for you, unless you want the fastest card ever which is the rtx 2080 ti. Ray tracing is a feature that is not widely used in games at the moment and even the rtx 2080 ti struggles to provide good frame rates in a game thats fully ray traced like Quake 2 (the new ray tracing demo). So while we know ray tracing is the future, i would say its not worth buying the rtx cards because they give you hardware for a something that can be done by software too and ray tracing right now, is too extreme for GPUs of this day and age to handle and is a technology that cuts your framerate in half and just overall performance to work. See the new minecract rtx demo. Minecraft with rtx off gives 400 fps and with rtx on, 40-60. I would suggest that you just buy a card thats more value for the money, which is the rx 5700 xt.

[Peluge]

8 hours ago, Hartaj Singh said:

Yea, the 3700x is better for overall performance with more cores and threads than 3600. Also, 5700 XT is definitely worth more than 5700 or rtx 2070 super. I would suggesr that you buy the custom cards like the powercolor, 3 fan version of 5700 xt rather than the reference design that is the original one if you want your graphics card to run cooler and quieter. On that note, the main difference b/w nvidia's rtx series cards and Amd radeon's rx navi (amd's new architecture) cards is that the rtx cards come with ray tracing cores which allow games with the rtx features to look better by tracing light paths and how it reflects in game in real time. However the Amd Rx navi cards dont have the same feature. But they do perform closely or even better at times. Also, Amd has stated that they will look into enabling ray tracing for future cards and they also stated that ray tracing doesn't require actual hardware and can be solved by software. So i think amd will find a solution to enable ray tracing on their cards, possibly through software instead of hardware and if you dont really care about the whole rtx ray tracing gimmick, then the rtx cards are not for you, unless you want the fastest card ever which is the rtx 2080 ti. Ray tracing is a feature that is not widely used in games at the moment and even the rtx 2080 ti struggles to provide good frame rates in a game thats fully ray traced like Quake 2 (the new ray tracing demo). So while we know ray tracing is the future, i would say its not worth buying the rtx cards because they give you hardware for a something that can be done by software too and ray tracing right now, is too extreme for GPUs of this day and age to handle and is a technology that cuts your framerate in half and just overall performance to work. See the new minecract rtx demo. Minecraft with rtx off gives 400 fps and with rtx on, 40-60. I would suggest that you just buy a card thats more value for the money, which is the rx 5700 xt.

Thanks for the info. I figured Ray Tracing was probably the only feature that didn't carry over. I's something I'm still considering right now though, since I hear Cyberpunk 2077 will employ ray tracing and I"m pretty hyped for it's launch. I'm still leaning towards the 2070S for that reason, but I'm trying to determine a good compromise in terms of price right now between the 2070S and the 3700x.

 

I also had a concern arise yesterday about my PSU though. Both of the motherboards suggested to me, according to PCPP, "has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it."

 

I'm not sure how worried I should be about this or if there is some sort of adapter I could use or something.

[Hartaj Singh]

On 9/1/2019 at 8:15 PM, Peluge said:

Thanks for the info. I figured Ray Tracing was probably the only feature that didn't carry over. I's something I'm still considering right now though, since I hear Cyberpunk 2077 will employ ray tracing and I"m pretty hyped for it's launch. I'm still leaning towards the 2070S for that reason, but I'm trying to determine a good compromise in terms of price right now between the 2070S and the 3700x.

 

I also had a concern arise yesterday about my PSU though. Both of the motherboards suggested to me, according to PCPP, "has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it."

 

I'm not sure how worried I should be about this or if there is some sort of adapter I could use or something.

Idk know much about the adapters and things but i suggest you research a little bit more about it. About cyberpunk 2077, i think u should compair rtx on vs rtx off. Check on youtube to see how good it looks with rtx on cuz most games dont utilize rtx extensively. U will probably just get some better reflections but are they really worth it, is what you should ask yourself when u will play the game. Anyway, watch its rtx gameplay on youtube and decide for yourself

[VEXICUS]

I'll recommend something like this instead....

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.89 @ OutletPC) Best CPU in terms of price to performance right now.
Motherboard: MSI B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ Newegg) Supports BIOS flashback. Meaning, BIOS of this board can be updated without a compatible CPU. Also, this board has pretty solid VRMs and should be plenty for overclocking even a 3700x.

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 3200mhz cl16 ram coz it provides best price to performance. There are cheaper 3600mhz cl19 ram but they tend to be slightly slower than 3200mhz cl16 ram.

Storage: HP EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($56.99 @ Newegg) Pretty fast SSD for the price.
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card Wait for it to come back in stock. It retails for around $410-420.
Total: $400.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-05 05:19 EDT-0400