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X570 Chipset, Ryzen 7 3700x. Need just a RAM hint.

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Hi there,

 

I need to buy some RAM for my build.

At the moment I bought a Ryzen 7 3700x and an X570 MSI MEG Ace.

 

So, at the same price I can buy one of the kit there (all b-die):

  • PVR416G413C9K, 4133mhz cl19 (2x8)

  • F4-3600C17D-16GTRG, 3600mhz cl17 (2x8)

  • F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX,3200mhz c14 (2x8)

so, I wouldlike to get to 3733mhz cl17 (or lesser) without going over 1.45V on memory voltage.

In your opinion, which one of these could achieve that easier?

 

I was going to buy the patriot one.. but that frequency seems a bit odd.. may I have problem with xmp?

 

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The 3600 CL17 Trident Z Royal kit should have the best chance.

 

Not the patriot because high frequency potential doesnt mean it's good at tight timings.

 

3200 CL14 bin should be worse than 3600 CL17

 

8 minutes ago, Flavoiis said:

may I have problem with xmp?

it will half the UCLK (2:1 ratio) to make 4133 data rate work, but this means hurting the latency compared to even the 3200 kit.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

The 3600 CL17 Trident Z Royal kit should have the best chance.

 

Not the patriot because high frequency potential doesnt mean it's good at tight timings.

 

3200 CL14 bin should be worse than 3600 CL17

 

it will half the UCLK (2:1 ratio) to make 4133 data rate work, but this means hurting the latency compared to even the 3200 kit.

isn't cl19 already tight for 4133mhz RAM? in that case, shouldn't it fit 3733mhz better? Thanks :)

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2 hours ago, Flavoiis said:

isn't cl19 already tight for 4133mhz RAM? in that case, shouldn't it fit 3733mhz better? Thanks :)

It's not that tight considering we have 4133 CL17 kits rated for the same 1.4V, but the thing with CL19 is that it means this kit is only tested for max frequency by setting loose timings. There's no guarantee that this kit will scale its timings well with dropping frequency (compared to the averages of B-die of course), so even after dropping frequency the timings may still stay somewhat loose for B-die

 

and it looks ugly next to a kit of Trident Z Royal

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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