gaming Upgrade the existing or build a new one

[Innocent_Man]

Hi,
Need some suggestions about what am i to do to for future uses of my PC aside from gaming, office-based app uses (planning to do 3d rendering). The reasons of this topic is made because my current platform is somewhat left behind in todays performance, and its rather hard to sell this build in decent price at my country. I have some thoughts about build a new one that generally better with using some parts from my current pc (like psu and ram) or upgrading some parts (like GPU and Ram into 4x4gb), but could it be a better solution?

To be specific, this are current specification :
i7 6400T (ES i7 chip) clocked 3.85Ghz (base 2.2Ghz) with decent cooler
Asrock z170 fatality gaming k6
Rx 560 4gb
8gb (2x4gb) Lpx 3200mhz
64gb nvme ssd
1tb hdd 

Seasonic 1050XM (received from gift)

Suggestion from you guys will be great!

 

[atxcyclist]

Finding a 6700k would be a good upgrade, but Intel stuff seems to keep its value around here, even on several-generations-old hardware. You could probably get a Ryzen 2nd gen and board + 16gb of fast memory for just over what you can buy a 6700k for at retail if your market is anything like the United States.

 

What kind of 3d rendering are you doing specifically?

[Innocent_Man]

1 minute ago, atxcyclist said:

Finding a 6700k would be a good upgrade, but Intel stuff seems to keep its value around here, even on several-generations-old hardware. You could probably get a Ryzen 2nd gen and board + 16gb of fast memory for just over what you can buy a 6700k for at retail if your market is anything like the United States.

 

What kind of 3d rendering are you doing specifically?

about 6700k, its same here, but its still worth? i still using the same gen i7 though. and 3d model creation to be exact

[atxcyclist]

Just now, Innocent_Man said:

about 6700k, its same here, but its still worth? i still using the same gen i7 though. and 3d model creation to be exact

I think from a value aspect, moving to a newer platform could make sense assuming:

 

-Prices are relative in your country to here, and a 2000 series Ryzen can be had for a deal right now

-You're running an OS that will support that generation of Ryzen, like Windows 10

-Your software scales well with multiple-core chips

 

 

I'm a CAD/BIM tech by trade since 2003, set up many architectural modelling systems in that time. The software I use, Revit, scales pretty well in newer releases, and for actual rendering it will utilize many cores (maybe up to 32). Not sure about the engine in whatever software you're using will do, but many of them have been ahead of Revit and utilized more cores for standard operations. One of the systems in my office uses a R5 1600 and it's been quite a good system when there's a rendering task being done on it. I have a 4790k at stock speeds, and the per-core performance is a little better than the 1600, but the Intel chip gets steamrolled in rendering performance.

[Innocent_Man]

3 minutes ago, atxcyclist said:

I think from a value aspect, moving to a newer platform could make sense assuming:

 

-Prices are relative in your country to here, and a 2000 series Ryzen can be had for a deal right now

-You're running an OS that will support that generation of Ryzen, like Windows 10

-Your software scales well with multiple-core chips

 

So i need to upgrade some parts like cpu and motherboard, yes?
what about the GPu, do i need a new one?

[atxcyclist]

6 minutes ago, Innocent_Man said:

So i need to upgrade some parts like cpu and motherboard, yes?
what about the GPu, do i need a new one?

You'll get better performance than your current setup with a 6700k, but if you want newer generation AMD stuff you'll need a compatible motherboard. You would probably get by just fine with a 6700k, and it would basically be an easy swap with your current system. The GPU is a very specific use case upgrade, because some software can leverage the GPU to complete rendering or other operations, but many don't. The modeling software I use doesn't harness the GPU at all, so as long as I have one strong enough to run both of my displays, I'm fine. I use an RX 460 2gb with no issues in Revit or AutoCAD.

 

Keep in mind, if you want to just swap your 6400 for a 6700k, you'll also need a new cooler as the one that ships with the 6400 will not be sufficient, assuming it has the Intel-included cooler on it.

[Innocent_Man]

4 minutes ago, atxcyclist said:

You'll get better performance than your current setup with a 6700k, but if you want newer generation AMD stuff you'll need a compatible motherboard. You would probably get by just fine with a 6700k, and it would basically be an easy swap with your current system. The GPU is a very specific use case upgrade, because some software can leverage the GPU to complete rendering or other operations, but many don't. The modeling software I use doesn't harness the GPU at all, so as long as I have one strong enough to run both of my displays, I'm fine. I use an RX 460 2gb with no issues in Revit or AutoCAD.

 

Keep in mind, if you want to just swap your 6400 for a 6700k, you'll also need a new cooler as the one that ships with the 6400 will not be sufficient, assuming it has the Intel-included cooler on it.

about 6700k, is it much better than the current cpu?
i've had included the cpuid, and i've tried to find i7 6400t but its not listed as it sould be on intel Ark

[atxcyclist]

I'm guessing that the ES is an Engineering Sample. It's very possible that there isn't a direct consumer chip that matches up with it. The 6400T is listed as a low-power i5 with 4 cores and 4 threads.

 

You might want to refer to this thread:

This isn't an exact match, but those chips are apparently sold here and there. Not sure where your chip lies on the performance scale, but a 6700k does 4.0 base clock and 4.2 boost. There's likely a good bump in performance in high-thread-count workloads.

[Innocent_Man]

4 minutes ago, atxcyclist said:

I'm guessing that the ES is an Engineering Sample. It's very possible that there isn't a direct consumer chip that matches up with it. The 6400T is listed as a low-power i5 with 4 cores and 4 threads.

 

This isn't an exact match, but those chips are apparently sold here and there. Not sure where your chip lies on the performance scale, but a 6700k does 4.0 base clock and 4.2 boost. There's likely a good bump in performance in high-thread-count workloads.

I think i might go for ryzen platform, is ryzen 5 1st gen still good?
honestly, my wallet its in "budget" conditions

[atxcyclist]

1 minute ago, Innocent_Man said:

I think i might go for ryzen platform, is ryzen 5 1st gen still good?
honestly, my wallet its in "budget" conditions

It can be if your software can harness all the cores/threads. I built one when they were brand new for my office and it's been great. There are many deals to be had on them, AMD is great about lowered prices on old stock. I just built a 2700x system for home use, but since Ryzen 3000 series is now out the processor was $110 off MSRP when it was brand new a year ago. Getting a 1600 or 1600x and a b350 board will be inexpensive, however just keep in mind that 1st gen Ryzen is picky about memory, and you'll need to research a kit that is compatible. The stuff currently in your Z170 board may not work well or at all. Stick with a 2x8gb kit around 3000-3200mhz, dual channel is important but using only two sticks will improve memory compatibility and ease of getting the XMP profile working.

 

What country are you in? I may not be able to help you find deals there, but someone on here surely can.

[Innocent_Man]

15 minutes ago, atxcyclist said:

It can be if your software can harness all the cores/threads. I built one when they were brand new for my office and it's been great. There are many deals to be had on them, AMD is great about lowered prices on old stock. I just built a 2700x system for home use, but since Ryzen 3000 series is now out the processor was $110 off MSRP when it was brand new a year ago. Getting a 1600 or 1600x and a b350 board will be inexpensive, however just keep in mind that 1st gen Ryzen is picky about memory, and you'll need to research a kit that is compatible. The stuff currently in your Z170 board may not work well or at all. Stick with a 2x8gb kit around 3000-3200mhz, dual channel is important but using only two sticks will improve memory compatibility and ease of getting the XMP profile working.

 

What country are you in? I may not be able to help you find deals there, but someone on here surely can.

well, to think of it i might go by your suggestion. its relatively new after all, and i'll try sell the current parts that i have.

thank you !