the tower 900 drive bay suggestions

[EmoChipmonk]

Im looking at hacking apart the drive bay area thats visible in the tower 900.  Im looking for suggestions on what to put there. im going to be using 2 corsair commander pros  for fan controlling so thats  off the table. An idea i had that  i thought would be really cool is putting a small screen there hooked up to a rasberry PI and having it display a looping video (sorta pretaining to where the builds name and color scheme come will come from) or somthing interesting. I am super open to other suggestions though.  (Im a super SSD nut so having mechanical drives is not going to happen for me.)

[thrasher_565]

18 hours ago, EmoChipmonk said:

Im looking at hacking apart the drive bay area thats visible in the tower 900.  Im looking for suggestions on what to put there. im going to be using 2 corsair commander pros  for fan controlling so thats  off the table. An idea i had that  i thought would be really cool is putting a small screen there hooked up to a rasberry PI and having it display a looping video (sorta pretaining to where the builds name and color scheme come will come from) or somthing interesting. I am super open to other suggestions though.  (Im a super SSD nut so having mechanical drives is not going to happen for me.)

once you go ssd you dont go back. i wish i could get read of my two 2tb hhd but i need it and dont want to spend $300 for a ssd or nvme but one day.

how many bays dose it have i don't remember?

 

 

i guess if you making a a water cooling loop then you could do water cooled ssd in the bay.

 

 

 

[EmoChipmonk]

5 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

once you go ssd you dont go back. i wish i could get read of my two 2tb hhd but i need it and dont want to spend $300 for a ssd or nvme but one day.

how many bays dose it have i don't remember?

 

 

i guess if you making a a water cooling loop then you could do water cooled ssd in the bay.

 

 

 

Not including the ones In the back I'll be removing its 2. The ones in the back will get in the way as I plan to max out both sides radiator spacing. Excessive? Yes. But this is a 420$ case and will be my dream pc when I can get my hand on a 2180ti (or whatever it will be called) so I wanna go to the max for my next pc for the foreseeable future.

[A. Cole]

WARNING THIS POST IS ONLY 50% SERIOUS AND 50% OUTSIDE THE BOX IDEAS

You can put a screen in as shown, or go simple and make a plaque to cover it, if your willing to look like a 100% *insert profanity* take the front glass panel off and put in one of those pop out cup holders so you can casually reach into your PC for your drink (as you guess this would be a HUGE hazard)
Or reach back even further into the olden days where you could get 3.5" bay HDD coolers (essentially throwing in another fan cause why not) or the 3.5" storage draws
Or go even further back to when people where throwing speakers into front expansion slots (Usualy 5.25") or follow on that line and you can mount an external sound DAC's internally if you want.
There's still a few front mount reservoirs floating about if you want to water cool and and just add another res.
Another idea is something like the Asus ROG front base module, a fan controller sure but more for inbuilt functionality if you don't want to put just a display in.
Or plain and simple, USB hub, I know I know its internal but you can run plenty of things internally using those USB's like LED strips, mini lava laps, extra fans, USB Bluetooth dongles or anything that can use USB for power and provide extra display or function (you can even get some figures that have usb powered lighting) 

[A. Cole]

I would like to add this separate from my last post is this is water cooling dependant,
You can use that area of the case as a distribution panel, run your hardline into it and have softline going to the radiators.
If your going for a dual pump system but single loop, with some mathematical work you could work out the flow impedance of the radiators and have one pump running water to the radiators at a higher flow speed and pressure (for better dissipation) but it would need to drop in pressure and flow rate by the exit before the pump that goes around the system (which you will want at a lower pressure to reduce wear on the cooling components) if your going this route, i would definitely recommend thicker tubing for the higher pressure

[EmoChipmonk]

6 hours ago, A. Cole said:

I would like to add this separate from my last post is this is water cooling dependant,
You can use that area of the case as a distribution panel, run your hardline into it and have softline going to the radiators.
If your going for a dual pump system but single loop, with some mathematical work you could work out the flow impedance of the radiators and have one pump running water to the radiators at a higher flow speed and pressure (for better dissipation) but it would need to drop in pressure and flow rate by the exit before the pump that goes around the system (which you will want at a lower pressure to reduce wear on the cooling components) if your going this route, i would definitely recommend thicker tubing for the higher pressure

I am thinking if going quad pump and res. 2 per loop. For looks mostly.

[A. Cole]

1 hour ago, EmoChipmonk said:

I am thinking if going quad pump and res. 2 per loop. For looks mostly.

Pump per loop is the most common effective boost, you'll get more gains from two sperate loops than an uncalibrated single loop, its just if your willing to do the maths you can see gains over twin loop systems by properly configurating flow rates and pressures, but it is just so much more work and effort for a slight gain.
Dual loop also has the bonus of two different fluid colours, I use to love watching the tower 900 builds when it had not long came out, most common was two loops, one for GPU one for CPU, it was also very common for pastel colours to be used in the coolant rather than clear or metallic, I don't think ever seen a build that involved painting the case if you want to do something really unique? don't know what taste you have but for example a matt metallic pain with fluorescent or metallic coolant would look wicked.

I'm interested what specs your putting in this, or what level your willing to go for a custom feel. Like this is WAY outside the box but I've always wondered if with some clever cut outs, if you could mount a second mini-itx system above those HDD sleds and use the HDD sled opening to run the cabling

[EmoChipmonk]

1 hour ago, A. Cole said:

Pump per loop is the most common effective boost, you'll get more gains from two sperate loops than an uncalibrated single loop, its just if your willing to do the maths you can see gains over twin loop systems by properly configurating flow rates and pressures, but it is just so much more work and effort for a slight gain.
Dual loop also has the bonus of two different fluid colours, I use to love watching the tower 900 builds when it had not long came out, most common was two loops, one for GPU one for CPU, it was also very common for pastel colours to be used in the coolant rather than clear or metallic, I don't think ever seen a build that involved painting the case if you want to do something really unique? don't know what taste you have but for example a matt metallic pain with fluorescent or metallic coolant would look wicked.

I'm interested what specs your putting in this, or what level your willing to go for a custom feel. Like this is WAY outside the box but I've always wondered if with some clever cut outs, if you could mount a second mini-itx system above those HDD sleds and use the HDD sled opening to run the cabling

Well unless intel announces somthing like amd killer near the end of the year then i will prob get either a 3700x or a 3900x. as for cpu i plan on getting the amphere line of 80ti card. One reason for a duel pump loop is more about redundancy. If one fails then atleast i have the other to limp along till the dead one is out of the loop. I do plan on having 2 loops. I do not plan on using colored coolent. I will most likly use black (or possably blue) hard tubing. My coolent will prob be just water honestly with some bioside and mabey a silver kill coil or osmthing.

 

[A. Cole]

12 minutes ago, EmoChipmonk said:

Well unless intel announces somthing like amd killer near the end of the year then i will prob get either a 3700x or a 3900x. as for cpu i plan on getting the amphere line of 80ti card. One reason for a duel pump loop is more about redundancy. If one fails then atleast i have the other to limp along till the dead one is out of the loop. I do plan on having 2 loops. I do not plan on using colored coolent. I will most likly use black (or possably blue) hard tubing. My coolent will prob be just water honestly with some bioside and mabey a silver kill coil or osmthing.

 

if your not going coloured coolant (which plain water is better for long term anyway) then might I recommend matting/frosting your tubes (I believe you can get this effect by sanding them) as these look wicked with RGB glow (no idea who/what that build is, just searched frosted hardline)

2 loops wont work as a redundancy, not unless you realise a pump has crapped out and jerry rick the loop to the second pump, single series loops will run redundant of one pump limping as you say, but if your GPU loop is dead and you power on your system that can very quickly mean dead GPU's 
Dual loop is almost like Raid 0, more performance as your GPU and CPU are getting cooled separately, but there's no redundancy if a pump fails.

[EmoChipmonk]

15 minutes ago, A. Cole said:

if your not going coloured coolant (which plain water is better for long term anyway) then might I recommend matting/frosting your tubes (I believe you can get this effect by sanding them) as these look wicked with RGB glow (no idea who/what that build is, just searched frosted hardline)

2 loops wont work as a redundancy, not unless you realise a pump has crapped out and jerry rick the loop to the second pump, single series loops will run redundant of one pump limping as you say, but if your GPU loop is dead and you power on your system that can very quickly mean dead GPU's 
Dual loop is almost like Raid 0, more performance as your GPU and CPU are getting cooled separately, but there's no redundancy if a pump fails.

No what i ment was 2 pumps per loop and there will be 2 loops.

[EmoChipmonk]

18 minutes ago, A. Cole said:

if your not going coloured coolant (which plain water is better for long term anyway) then might I recommend matting/frosting your tubes (I believe you can get this effect by sanding them) as these look wicked with RGB glow (no idea who/what that build is, just searched frosted hardline)

2 loops wont work as a redundancy, not unless you realise a pump has crapped out and jerry rick the loop to the second pump, single series loops will run redundant of one pump limping as you say, but if your GPU loop is dead and you power on your system that can very quickly mean dead GPU's 
Dual loop is almost like Raid 0, more performance as your GPU and CPU are getting cooled separately, but there's no redundancy if a pump fails.

No what i ment was 2 pumps per loop and there will be 2 loops. As for frosting it would have to be tested as black or blue tubes might be just fine

 

[thrasher_565]

i think what he means is the water is going out of 1 pump and in to the in lite of the second pump the pump head not spinning will cause a block anyway. you might be able to squeezes water passed it but i don't no. if you wanted a redundant setup then you would have to probably split the water with a y so its 2 loops that comes together in to the cpu block or gpu block and then splits to a y to go to ether or rad. or something along thows lines. there was a cpu block that had 2 in ports and 2 out ports. basically you would need it so if one got blocked the other can still flow.

 

i mean there are controllers and programs the can be set up to were it you pump stop it shouts down your pc.hitting a thermal limit dose this already. 

[EmoChipmonk]

2 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

i think what he means is the water is going out of 1 pump and in to the in lite of the second pump the pump head not spinning will cause a block anyway. you might be able to squeezes water passed it but i don't no. if you wanted a redundant setup then you would have to probably split the water with a y so its 2 loops that comes together in to the cpu block or gpu block and then splits to a y to go to ether or rad. or something along thows lines. there was a cpu block that had 2 in ports and 2 out ports. basically you would need it so if one got blocked the other can still flow.

 

i mean there are controllers and programs the can be set up to were it you pump stop it shouts down your pc.hitting a thermal limit dose this already. 

The idea kinda came from linus 2015 build but i mean worst case if i have 4 res and only one pump per res then so be it.

[thrasher_565]

42 minutes ago, EmoChipmonk said:

The idea kinda came from linus 2015 build but i mean worst case if i have 4 res and only one pump per res then so be it.

ya i no what you mean i just think with some planing and testing you wont need 4 res 4 rads. (well don't need a res at all but that's beside the point) 2 res or even 1 res with some planing is fine. could do even 1 rad but i think you could be pushing it thow haha.

 

so how i see it is the res feeds the pumps dosent mater how many pumps its just takes for the res. then form the pump to y just before the block. after the block it can go to a rad then back to the res. (with some testing it might work)

 

the normal way 2 pumps is done is 1 pump feeds in to the other pump but if the front pump failed then it blocks the pump feeding it. now if the pump feeding the second pump dies then there first pump just continues as normal. at least thats the way i see it.

 

i think there are a dual pump top that adds 1 res for both pumps and 2 outputs. or there a dual pump top that has 1 res that feeds both pumps but only has 1 output. i belave that's how the two work. one gives more flow rate the other can speed up flow if there are restrictions.

[EmoChipmonk]

1 minute ago, thrasher_565 said:

ya i no what you mean i just think with some planing and testing you wont need 4 res 4 rads. (well don't need a res at all but that's beside the point) 2 res or even 1 res with some planing is fine. could do even 1 rad but i think you could be pushing it thow haha.

 

so how i see it is the res feeds the pumps dosent mater how many pumps its just takes for the res. then form the pump to y just befor the block. after the block it can do to a rad then back to the res. (with some testing it might work) but if the pumps eat more the what the res can re fill thne you will need 2 res. so going back to the rad after the rad a y spliter then gos to both res. (i really don't see how it can use more water thow there only so much room to put water)

 

the normal way 2 pumps is done is 1 pump feeds in to the other pump but is the front pump failes then it block the pump feeding it. now if the pump feeding the second pump dies then there first pump just continues as normal. at least thats the way i see it.

 

i think there are a dual pump top that adds 1 res for both pumps and 2 outputs. or there a dual pump top that has 1 res that feeds both pumps but only has 1 output. i belave that's how the two work. one gives more flow rate the other can speed up flow if there are restrictions.

Oops i ment 1 pump per loop. Regardless i want 2 res per loops for mostly asthetics. so things are matchy matchy and also a bit different from other builds i have seen.

 

[thrasher_565]

7 minutes ago, EmoChipmonk said:

Oops i ment 1 pump per loop. Regardless i want 2 res per loops for mostly asthetics. so things are matchy matchy and also a bit different from other builds i have seen.

 

ya a res is more or less for looks. i did notice at the top only holds 1 fan. i would mod it for 2 but that imo. how does it get air in? is there fans at the bottom? i have looked in to this case befor but forgot how it works. i decided on the thermaltake cor 200 wpp  and has 4 loops.... with 4 res and 4 rads and 4 block so 4 complete loops. i only will be filling 3 of the loops but we will see about the 4th. i could get my water cooled mb back from my dad to hook 1 loop to the mb for over kill cooling haha bet no one done that. a loop for just there mb blocks sothbridge and vrm....and thats a d5 too... anyway haha

[EmoChipmonk]

Just now, thrasher_565 said:

ya a res is more or less for looks. i did notice at the top only holds 1 fan. i would mod it for 2 but that imo. how does it get are in? is there fans at the bottom? i have looked in to this case befor but forgot how it works. i decided on the thermaltake cor 200 wpp  and has 4 loops.... with 4 res and 4 rads and 4 block so 4 complete loops. i only will be filling 3 of the loops but we will see about the 4th. i could get my water cooled mb back from my dad to hook 1 loop to the mb for over kill cooling haha bet no one done that. a loop for just there mb blocks sothbridge and vrm....and thats a d5 too... anyway haha

Theres quite a dew ways for ait to get in but there is supposed to be a fan on top of the drive cages that i plan to cut up. and there are vents on the bottum i think. theres also one fan in the top in the back.

[A. Cole]

4 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

ya a res is more or less for looks. i did notice at the top only holds 1 fan. i would mod it for 2 but that imo. how does it get air in? is there fans at the bottom? i have looked in to this case befor but forgot how it works. i decided on the thermaltake cor 200 wpp  and has 4 loops.... with 4 res and 4 rads and 4 block so 4 complete loops. i only will be filling 3 of the loops but we will see about the 4th. i could get my water cooled mb back from my dad to hook 1 loop to the mb for over kill cooling haha bet no one done that. a loop for just there mb blocks sothbridge and vrm....and thats a d5 too... anyway haha

main airflow for the tower 900 case is the rear compartment, where it can fit something daft like 2x 480mm radiators and you would either hot cold isle it, or have it all flowing one direction.
The only intake for the main compartment is those grills at the bottom, so the 120mm is the only thing providing airflow in that front compartment (which is why some reviewers didn't like it, because even if you water cool there are some components like chokes that wont be cooled and still need airflow) some people try putting a fan above the HDD rack but it doesn't realy improve much unless your modding the case.
If I was going to mod that case for more fans, me being me I would try and put a 200mm fan on the bottom as an intake, but i've always loved 200mm fans for there massive airflow and sound profile.

[thrasher_565]

8 hours ago, A. Cole said:

main airflow for the tower 900 case is the rear compartment, where it can fit something daft like 2x 480mm radiators and you would either hot cold isle it, or have it all flowing one direction.
The only intake for the main compartment is those grills at the bottom, so the 120mm is the only thing providing airflow in that front compartment (which is why some reviewers didn't like it, because even if you water cool there are some components like chokes that wont be cooled and still need airflow) some people try putting a fan above the HDD rack but it doesn't realy improve much unless your modding the case.
If I was going to mod that case for more fans, me being me I would try and put a 200mm fan on the bottom as an intake, but i've always loved 200mm fans for there massive airflow and sound profile.

ya that's what ied do too or at lest some fans on the bottom. and ied put another on the top.

[EmoChipmonk]

13 hours ago, A. Cole said:

main airflow for the tower 900 case is the rear compartment, where it can fit something daft like 2x 480mm radiators and you would either hot cold isle it, or have it all flowing one direction.
The only intake for the main compartment is those grills at the bottom, so the 120mm is the only thing providing airflow in that front compartment (which is why some reviewers didn't like it, because even if you water cool there are some components like chokes that wont be cooled and still need airflow) some people try putting a fan above the HDD rack but it doesn't realy improve much unless your modding the case.
If I was going to mod that case for more fans, me being me I would try and put a 200mm fan on the bottom as an intake, but i've always loved 200mm fans for there massive airflow and sound profile.

560mm rads. 2 of them. AND THAT IS THE PLAN. WHY? BECAUSE I BLOODY CAN! XD.

Theres also a spot a spot for 3 more 140 fans in various places in the back so thats deff the plan. I will be maxing out the 2 fan controllers thats for sure.

 

[A. Cole]

9 hours ago, EmoChipmonk said:

560mm rads. 2 of them. AND THAT IS THE PLAN. WHY? BECAUSE I BLOODY CAN! XD.

Theres also a spot a spot for 3 more 140 fans in various places in the back so thats deff the plan. I will be maxing out the 2 fan controllers thats for sure.

 

I wonder if you could stack more than 2 radiators (would need really long screws) but what if you tried sandwiching multiple layers of fans and radiators till the back was full?

[thrasher_565]

9 hours ago, A. Cole said:

I wonder if you could stack more than 2 radiators (would need really long screws) but what if you tried sandwiching multiple layers of fans and radiators till the back was full?

funny i seen this before dont no if its really doable but funny. takes a case that has native support for 6 480 rads and 1 360 rad and steps it up a notch because he can... and that's with out buying extra mounts for more rads space....i have this case. go to 10.39 in the video.

caselabs magnum th10 build

 

the only rad i no if that build to be stacked is the aquacomputer airplex rads.