Posted August 23, 2019 I study computer science and I'm searching for a new laptop. I live in Germany. Requirements: Enough power for anything programming including some machine learning 13.3 - 14" Display - 1080p is enough Moderately Slim and portable RAM configuration of minimum 8gb Upgradeable RAM and storage Can handle CAD with Fusion360 Decent keyboard Thunderbolt would be nice but not strictly necessary USB C charging would be nice Preferably as cheap as possible but at max up to around 1000€ No gaming, so probably no external gpu needed Battery life for normal workloads of around 4-5 hours minimum I'm especially interested if you'd advice to search for an i7 8th gen or if an i5-8265U should be good enough for some years. My last laptop years ago had an i5-3210m and it often bothered me. Some laptops I looked at already: Lenovo Thinkbook 13s Schenker Slim 14 L18 with i7 (same as Clevo N141ZU) Lenovo ThinkPad L390 Some zenbook variants Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/ Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 23, 2019 Get a business laptop for sure. Lenovo ThinkPad, Dell Latitude or HP EliteBook. They are Far more durable and reliable than the cheapo commodity trash. An L480/490 or T480/490 would be my pick Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12833106 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 23, 2019 For programming, more cores are more useful then then single core performance, so AMD will be a better option then intel. Quote CAD with Fusion360 Just about any CPU can handle that. I run it with my core2 duo. With fusion, graphics is more important then CPU, but is perfectly smooth with the integrated graphics of an AMD A series CPU. Quote Upgradeable RAM and storage If there is lots of RAM and good storage in the first place, you won't need to upgrade it. Especially if you want Solid state storage, it may cost you a lot later and you will have 1 SSD just lying around (unless you are planning to sell it) If you want me to see your reply, please tag me @Faisal A Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12833110 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 23, 2019 Since you have the budget, I would go for business grade laptops Fine without TB3? Desktop specs: Spoiler AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX Asrock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6700 XT Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (8Gx2) 3600MHz CL18 Kingston NV2 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Montech Century 850W Gold Tecware Nexus Air (Black) ATX Mid Tower Laptop: Lenovo Ideapad 5 Pro 16ACH6 Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro 8+128 Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12833240 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 Author On 8/23/2019 at 4:23 PM, 5x5 said: Get a business laptop for sure. Lenovo ThinkPad, Dell Latitude or HP EliteBook. They are Far more durable and reliable than the cheapo commodity trash. An L480/490 or T480/490 would be my pick To be honest I'm just not a huge fan of the design for most thinkpads. I want something fairly thin and light I can use on the train without looking too much like a business /sysadmin type of guy. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836138 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 Author On 8/23/2019 at 4:58 PM, GeneXiS_X said: Since you have the budget, I would go for business grade laptops Fine without TB3? I'd be fine without TB3 if it's the thing driving the price up. Anything coming close to around 800-1000€ should have TB3. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836140 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 Author On 8/23/2019 at 4:25 PM, Faisal A said: For programming, more cores are more useful then then single core performance, so AMD will be a better option then intel. Just about any CPU can handle that. I run it with my core2 duo. With fusion, graphics is more important then CPU, but is perfectly smooth with the integrated graphics of an AMD A series CPU. If there is lots of RAM and good storage in the first place, you won't need to upgrade it. Especially if you want Solid state storage, it may cost you a lot later and you will have 1 SSD just lying around (unless you are planning to sell it) @Faisal A but there aren't that many good ultrabooks in that range with amd CPUs by most manufactures. Only some hp books. If amd mobile CPUs would already be zen 2 it'd probably be a no brainer cause cheaper and more powerful but zen+ mobile does not seem that great especially concerning battery life. I'd like upgradeability cause I don't have the budget yet for 500gb or a terabyte of ssd or 16gb ram but prices will go down further especially for ssds. Also you can often buy cheaper ssd storage than the price manufacturers charge for the same storage. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836151 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dav42 said: To be honest I'm just not a huge fan of the design for most thinkpads. I want something fairly thin and light I can use on the train without looking too much like a business /sysadmin type of guy. So you want that is easy to damage and break? Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836155 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 Author 2 minutes ago, 5x5 said: So you want that is easy to damage and break? It's a laptop not a boomerang. I've used a lenovo ideapad Y580 for years and it has never broken. Thinkpads are also from lenovo. I don't think there's such a huge difference in build quality between their Thinkpads and the rest. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836176 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dav42 said: It's a laptop not a boomerang. I've used a lenovo ideapad Y580 for years and it has never broken. Thinkpads are also from lenovo. I don't think there's such a huge difference in build quality between their Thinkpads and the rest. You're quite wrong. There is a MASSIVE difference. If you drop a modern Ideapad, it's fucked. If you drop a ThinkPad, Its fine. If you spill water on a commodity laptop, it's dead. If you spill water on a business laptop, it's fine cause it has a system in place to protect the electrical Componenta and drain the liquid. If you get sand or salt or dirt on a regular laptop, it will start having issues with the fans and draft hrat If you do that to a ThinkPad, it's fine. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836193 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 Author 1 hour ago, 5x5 said: You're quite wrong. There is a MASSIVE difference. If you drop a modern Ideapad, it's fucked. If you drop a ThinkPad, Its fine. If you spill water on a commodity laptop, it's dead. If you spill water on a business laptop, it's fine cause it has a system in place to protect the electrical Componenta and drain the liquid. If you get sand or salt or dirt on a regular laptop, it will start having issues with the fans and draft hrat If you do that to a ThinkPad, it's fine. Okay whatever I don't want to argue and honestly don't know much about this. So if reliability isn't a concern for me. Would you have other suggestions for me except for thinkpads? Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836462 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Dav42 said: Okay whatever I don't want to argue and honestly don't know much about this. So if reliability isn't a concern for me. Would you have other suggestions for me except for thinkpads? Hmmm, how about an EliteBook 745 G5? Or a Surface Laptop 2? The Zen Book UM431 is also very good with long battery life and performance. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836468 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Dav42 said: I want something fairly thin and light I can use on the train without looking too much like a business /sysadmin type of guy They are quite portable, and you can opt for silver finish for more modern design Will get back to you ASAP, I'm busy rn Desktop specs: Spoiler AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX Asrock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6700 XT Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (8Gx2) 3600MHz CL18 Kingston NV2 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Montech Century 850W Gold Tecware Nexus Air (Black) ATX Mid Tower Laptop: Lenovo Ideapad 5 Pro 16ACH6 Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro 8+128 Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12836470 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 11:48 PM, Dav42 said: zen+ mobile does not seem that great especially concerning battery life Actually most of them have comparable battery life compared to their Intel counterparts On 8/24/2019 at 11:56 PM, Dav42 said: I don't think there's such a huge difference in build quality between their Thinkpads and the rest. There is difference between business grade and consumer grade On 8/25/2019 at 1:26 AM, Dav42 said: So if reliability isn't a concern for me It should be a concern. You don't want the laptop to have issues after purchasing/a few months usage Lenovo Thinkpad L390 Yoga, L390, L490 Dell Latitude 5400, 5490 From Lenovo edu store: Lenovo Thinkpad T490 20N3S02J00: slightly over budget Lenovo Thinkpad T495 20NKS01Y00 (and many) Desktop specs: Spoiler AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX Asrock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6700 XT Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (8Gx2) 3600MHz CL18 Kingston NV2 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Montech Century 850W Gold Tecware Nexus Air (Black) ATX Mid Tower Laptop: Lenovo Ideapad 5 Pro 16ACH6 Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro 8+128 Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12843786 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 1, 2019 Author On 8/24/2019 at 7:29 PM, 5x5 said: EliteBook 745 G5? Or a Surface Laptop 2? The Zen Book UM431 The EliteBook seems to only be sold with last gen Ryzen CPUs as far as I can see. Surface Laptop 2 is out of my budget for most configurations. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12857579 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dav42 said: The EliteBook seems to only be sold with last gen Ryzen CPUs as far as I can see. Surface Laptop 2 is out of my budget for most configurations. Doesn't really matter - Kaby Lake R/Whiskey Lake/Ryzen Mobile/Ryzen+ Mobile are all pretty similar. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12857584 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 1, 2019 Author On 8/27/2019 at 9:09 AM, GeneXiS_X said: Lenovo Thinkpad L390 Yoga, L390, L490 Those are interesting but I'm still not 100% in on Thinkpads for me as a student. I got a Thinpad E495 for work so I'll see how I like that. On 8/27/2019 at 9:09 AM, GeneXiS_X said: Dell Latitude 5400, 5490 Sorry but the looks of these are nothing for me On 8/27/2019 at 9:09 AM, GeneXiS_X said: Lenovo Thinkpad T490 20N3S02J00: slightly over budget Lenovo Thinkpad T495 20NKS01Y00 Probably over budget on the T-Series as I don't need the business features but something with an i7 from lenovo in the edu store definitely looks like an option. I said I could spend up to around 1000€ but I definately would prefer saving 100 or 200€ and only paying like 800€ I'm also questioning wether I should look out for the release of the Ice-Lake U series of Intel (as Zen 2 mobile is not due until 2020) Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1097129-developerstudent-laptop-suggestions-max-1000%E2%82%AC/#findComment-12857647 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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