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Best SFF Graphics Card

Hi All

 

Building a PC for a mate on a tight budget of AUD800.00 and am in need of a small form factor graphics card (to fit into an ex service Dell pc). I've used a GTX 1050 before with continual issues with the graphics drivers crashing. Can anyone offer any options? I've looked and looked and haven't found anything other than the GT 1030/GTX 1050/ti

 

For reference he will be playing some LoL, CSGO and minecraft (with shaders I think)

 

Thanks

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you bought anything?

 

 

because you can get this for 800 AUD

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($197.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($110.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($94.89 @ Newegg Australia) 
Storage: Crucial BX500 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ Austin Computers) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 570 4 GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($199.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.00 @ BudgetPC) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($64.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Total: $797.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-22 16:08 AEST+1000

 

this is in AUD. tho i know shipping can makes stuff more experience expensive. 

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10 minutes ago, ALazyMeme said:

minecraft (with shaders I think)

you can forget about low budget options if you run shaders, to put that ahead of all the talking

 

10 minutes ago, ALazyMeme said:

graphics drivers crashing

could be the OEM motherboard screwing with things. That's why upgrading prebuilt systems arent as good of an idea as they sound like (or how Youtubers make it sound like)

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28 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

you bought anything?

 

 

because you can get this for 800 AUD

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($197.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($110.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($94.89 @ Newegg Australia) 
Storage: Crucial BX500 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ Austin Computers) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 570 4 GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($199.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.00 @ BudgetPC) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($64.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Total: $797.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-22 16:08 AEST+1000

 

this is in AUD. tho i know shipping can makes stuff more experience expensive. 

I'll have a look at it, let me see if I can improve on it.

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I bought a 1050ti due to power constraints with initial build, a RX 570 will thrash that and is a better price, for a new component about as good as you can get performance per dollar

 

Edit: Sorry i bring up 1050ti vs 570 because the 1050ti can still, bearly, but still play most games at 1080p 80-100fps+ (newer stuff, PUBG, Apex, BF, Rising Storm titles etc) on mix of low or medium settings , in CSGO more like 300fps+

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40 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

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Thanks :)

Here's what I changed:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.00 @ Umart) 

Umart is close by, so I can pick up the parts


Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($115.00 @ Umart) 

Motherboard with 4 ram slots is what I wanted - also at umart


Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($94.89 @ Newegg Australia) 

Not 16gb or on the QVL, but it'll do


Storage: Crucial BX500 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($79.00 @ Umart) 

Not sure how this'll fair for some Uni work here and there, but I could always ask him


Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 570 4 GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($199.00 @ Amazon Australia) 

Excellent for the price and has free shipping


Case: Cougar MG110 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($49.00 @ Umart) 

Cheapest thing at my local store


Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 500 W ATX Power Supply  ($54.00) 

Cheapest PSU with a rating


Total: $789.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-22 16:51 AEST+1000

 

Thanks all for your help :)

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Cougar is a good value brand for ITX, but if you can find supplier in your region check out the Cougar QBX (Kaze), the M110 is probably pretty good, but the QBX, and QBX Kaze (more airflow basically) are basically slightly larger NCase M1 ripoffs, but overall smaller then M110 in a good way.  Like the Ncase M1 they have crazy expandibility for CPU cooling (up to 240mm AIO rad if you move the hard-drive off the swing-panel later on) and so far as i know are overall smaller then the M110.  Noteworthy about either of the QBX cases ('Kaze' or not) is the thermals and relative ease of build, again this is due to basically them ripping off the NCase M1, but thats fine, we can't all afford premium brushed aluminum ITX cases

Both are 50$ish dollar so check into availability and price in your region. 

Im a dumby and saw M110 and thought ITX build, ill leave what i wrote there incase it somehow became relevant but for M-ATX seems perfect 

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34 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

avoid this like the plague. 

 

its bad. get the PSU i linked, its the cheapest decent one i can find

Yes I have now found the one in my local store. Thanks :)

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41 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

avoid this like the plague. 

 

its bad. get the PSU i linked, its the cheapest decent one i can find

That actually takes it over budget, not sure if I can do that :/

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/kXwTvn

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1 minute ago, ALazyMeme said:

That actually takes it over budget, not sure if I can do that :/

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/kXwTvn

Worth the tiny bit of extra spending, for better quality by a country mile

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

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13 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Worth the tiny bit of extra spending, for better quality by a country mile

Yes, but uhh...

He uhh....

is very cheap...I'll leave it at that.

 

Plus he needs windows also :)

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42 minutes ago, ALazyMeme said:

Plus he needs windows also :)

You can run without a liscense untill he can afford a grey or genuine key. There are also student liscences that one can get.

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Corsair is selling the RM750X for $70 on Amazon Renewed. I've bought 2 of them.

Sorry about my spelling sometimes. My $1200 laptop has a $2 keyboard.

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I know what stores to buy from, I've been doing this for a few years :)

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10 hours ago, ALazyMeme said:

Hi All

 

Building a PC for a mate on a tight budget of AUD800.00 and am in need of a small form factor graphics card (to fit into an ex service Dell pc). I've used a GTX 1050 before with continual issues with the graphics drivers crashing. Can anyone offer any options? I've looked and looked and haven't found anything other than the GT 1030/GTX 1050/ti

 

For reference he will be playing some LoL, CSGO and minecraft (with shaders I think)

 

Thanks

What problems were you having with the 1050?

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7 hours ago, Thebes said:

What problems were you having with the 1050?

The graphics drivers were crashing - as in the screen was straight up going black in the middle of a game. It sounds more like an issue with the PC tbh...

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9 hours ago, ALazyMeme said:

The graphics drivers were crashing - as in the screen was straight up going black in the middle of a game. It sounds more like an issue with the PC tbh...

I'm having similar issues with a Gigabyte GTX 1050 Ti LP in a Optiplex 9020 SFF.

 

During gaming or hard GPU usage in general graphics output sometimes goes black. I think I've found the direct reason for these crashes to be the temperature sensor in the GPU sometimes giving up on me, reporting a constand temperature in the 30s while the real temp is clearly much higher. Leading to constant high voltages and GPU frequencies, a very low fan RPM, and eventually the screen goes black.

 

I've been thinking the issue was with my GPU, but maybe there's a more general problem with this Dell + 1050 Ti combo. Did you have yours in the PCIe 4x slot?

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