Ryzen 3700x PBO pulling to much current?

[Gilgam3s1]

So in PBO my cpu pulls around 1.4-1.45 colts of current which I feel is way to high since i can acheve an all core of 4.3 at just 1.35 v. Does anyone know how to change this IV tryed ryzen master but imo its utter garbage and even when i go into bios to change the voltage there which accroding to cpuz rakes effect ryzen master and cpuid monitor still show it pulling around 1.4vsometime close to 1.47 deppending on the core which is dangerously high

[GoldenLag]

Thats just PB doing its thing. Im assiming you are using PBO?

 

Dont mind the voltage it uses. Unlike allcore overclocks. Those voltage numbers only applies to a couple of cores. 

[bignaz]

Voltages are fine. And has said this a few times it's normal with pbo hitting 1.5v. 

 

 

[Gilgam3s1]

8 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Thats just PB doing its thing. Im assiming you are using PBO?

 

Dont mind the voltage it uses. Unlike allcore overclocks. Those voltage numbers only applies to a couple of cores. 

Normaly id say sure but in Cupid I'm seeing on average 1.4-1.46 in VID voltages consistently or am I just not understanding on how to read HWmonitor correctly?

[Gilgam3s1]

Because id rather not danger my chip

[Gilgam3s1]

16 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Thats just PB doing its thing. Im assiming you are using PBO?

 

Dont mind the voltage it uses. Unlike allcore overclocks. Those voltage numbers only applies to a couple of cores. 

Ues I do mean pbo but again in HW monitor in VID I'm seeing all 8 at 1.45 average perhaps I'm not understanding what that means but it seems to correlate exactly with what ryzen master says its pulling in control voltage which I would assum would mean what ita pulling for all cores

[Gohardgrandpa]

That’s just how it works. As long as your temps are in line I wouldn’t worry about it 

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Gilgam3s1 said:

Ues I do mean pbo but again in HW monitor in VID I'm seeing all 8 at 1.45 average perhaps I'm not understanding what that means but it seems to correlate exactly with what ryzen master says its pulling in control voltage which I would assum would mean what ita pulling for all cores

If its PBO doing its thing. Its fine. Even 1,45 volt isnt super lethal in allcore overclocks. 

[TheDankKoosh]

22 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Thats just PB doing its thing. Im assiming you are using PBO?

 

Dont mind the voltage it uses. Unlike allcore overclocks. Those voltage numbers only applies to a couple of cores. 

 

9 minutes ago, bignaz said:

Voltages are fine. And has said this a few times it's normal with pbo hitting 1.5v. 

 

 

Just because it's PBO doing its thing doesn't mean that it won't be harmful to the chip in the long term, manual voltage is almost always better, I generally trust AMD on this, but lower temps are always better

 

7 minutes ago, Gilgam3s1 said:

Because id rather not danger my chip

I'd try setting a manual voltage of 1.35, PBO probably won't damage the chip, but it'll be good to lower temps.

[Gilgam3s1]

1 minute ago, TheDankKoosh said:

 

Just because it's PBO doing its thing doesn't mean that it won't be harmful to the chip in the long term, manual voltage is almost always better, I generally trust AMD on this, but lower temps are always better

 

I'd try setting a manual voltage of 1.35, PBO probably won't damage the chip, but it'll be good to lower temps.

I cant set a manual voltage for PBO in ryzen master. In my bios I have voltage set at 1.25 which again cpuz says is active its everything else that says my voltages are all over the place and it makes me concerned cause I now have zero understanding on what I can trust and what I can read as correct cause it seams manual voltages dont mean anything because none of them seem to be taking jold if there just being over written by anything other then a full core oc

[Gilgam3s1]

Also my chip always stays at around 41c on PBO default 37c and on full laod on Cinebench with PBO on max temp reached 71c but I dont really know anyother benchmarking stuff for cpu

[TheDankKoosh]

4 minutes ago, Gilgam3s1 said:

I cant set a manual voltage for PBO in ryzen master. In my bios I have voltage set at 1.25 which again cpuz says is active its everything else that says my voltages are all over the place and it makes me concerned cause I now have zero understanding on what I can trust and what I can read as correct cause it seams manual voltages dont mean anything because none of them seem to be taking jold if there just being over written by anything other then a full core oc

Do an offset of like -100mv, should bring things down while still being able to take advantage of PBO

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Gilgam3s1 said:

Also my chip always stays at around 41c on PBO default 37c and on full laod on Cinebench with PBO on max temp reached 71c but I dont really know anyother benchmarking stuff for cpu

Temps seem fine and voltage is nothing serius. 

 

PBO voltage in gen 1 and 2 was a tad worse, but its all runnign fine till this day. 

[ralphandmike]

2 minutes ago, Gilgam3s1 said:

Also my chip always stays at around 41c on PBO default 37c and on full laod on Cinebench with PBO on max temp reached 71c but I dont really know anyother benchmarking stuff for cpu

I think the bigger concern would be the bios compatibility and the vrms used on the motherboard. this way stability can be assured.

[Sorenson]

15 minutes ago, Gilgam3s1 said:

I cant set a manual voltage for PBO in ryzen master. In my bios I have voltage set at 1.25 which again cpuz says is active its everything else that says my voltages are all over the place and it makes me concerned cause I now have zero understanding on what I can trust and what I can read as correct cause it seams manual voltages dont mean anything because none of them seem to be taking jold if there just being over written by anything other then a full core oc

According to Optimum tech voltage offsets are broken on the new boards through bios. The only way to change it is through ryzen master at the moment. I was playing around with a 3700x and reduced the voltage to 1.3 but it wasn't stable at 4.3 ghz. I think ryzen 3000 just uses a lot of voltage. 

[Gilgam3s1]

Well now I have a new problem now I'm stuck on post 92 error code and I put it in sleep mode (another issue IV been having) and now its stuck like THIS HELP. tryed clearing cmos in the back but got nothing

[TheDankKoosh]

13 minutes ago, Sorenson said:

According to Optimum tech voltage offsets are broken on the new boards through bios. The only way to change it is through ryzen master at the moment. I was playing around with a 3700x and reduced the voltage to 1.3 but it wasn't stable at 4.3 ghz. I think ryzen 3000 just uses a lot of voltage. 

4.3 is near the limit for ryzen 3k, so it makes sense that 1.3v wouldn't work.

[Sorenson]

1 minute ago, TheDankKoosh said:

4.3 is near the limit for ryzen 3k, so it makes sense that 1.3v wouldn't work.

1.3v is a lot though. 

[TheDankKoosh]

4 minutes ago, Sorenson said:

1.3v is a lot though. 

Not really, 1.3v is a lot less than PBO uses for lower frequencies, PBO only goes up to 4.1-4.2.

[Sorenson]

17 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Not really, 1.3v is a lot less than PBO uses for lower frequencies, PBO only goes up to 4.1-4.2.

I think you're missing the point. the boost clock on the chip is suppose to be 4.4ghz it goes to 4.25 stock at 1.46v that is a lot of voltage by every other cpu's standards. 1.3-1.35 were unstable limited to even 4.2ghz on my 3700x. It seems like they've cranked the dials to 11 on the ryzen 3xxx chips. 

[Gilgam3s1]

Y'all got bad chips then mine gets 42.25 on 1.28v and my PBO on occasion will hit 4.4 just depend on what I'm doing but I'll see 3.75ish somewhat often my only concern is voltage and the horrible reporting inconsistency and whether or not the performance is with the danger of degrading my chip because this thing freaks out. 

[bignaz]

Got this is worse then the YouTube comments.

 

 

The day someone position on here knows more then an AMD engineer...well that won't ever happen. 

 

 

An AMD engineer said you will see voltages of upto and sometimes over 1.5v. it's fine. I won't go into details because apparently we got people who taught the engineers here. But pbo is not just a change in the multi and voltage. Pbo is a very complex algorithm that monitors things like core voltage, load, current, tempture etc. The voltages at not a sold sustained voltage.  

 

Also keep in mind that the software you use is absolutely horribly innaccurate.  So what says 1.45 volts in reality could be as high as .06+ volts. I confirmed this on a x470 Aorus gaming 7. Not using a fluke multimeter because those are horrible for accuracy. But a very highend tektronix scope. And I was reading in software .063v higher then the actual voltage the cou was getting. 

 

AMD knows what they are doing. Using a - voltage offset has proven to lower performance just do a search multiple people are now confirming because of how pbo works and it's having what has been dubbed clock streaching. Because of how pbo works. 

 

 

Also I ran a 2700x at 1.5v according to software from launch till the 7th when I got my 3900x. Zero affect on the cou other then I sold it for $100 because I ran it that hard. Max overclock was still the same. Benchmarks still the same. Pbo boosted just as high.  Why we don't know how the 7nm runs with voltage that high AMD does and I seen PBO hit over 1.5 and I don't think anything over it because AMD knows there product.

[TheDankKoosh]

13 minutes ago, bignaz said:

Got this is worse then the YouTube comments.

 

 

The day someone position on here knows more then an AMD engineer...well that won't ever happen. 

 

 

An AMD engineer said you will see voltages of upto and sometimes over 1.5v. it's fine. I won't go into details because apparently we got people who taught the engineers here. But pbo is not just a change in the multi and voltage. Pbo is a very complex algorithm that monitors things like core voltage, load, current, tempture etc. The voltages at not a sold sustained voltage.  

 

Also keep in mind that the software you use is absolutely horribly innaccurate.  So what says 1.45 volts in reality could be as high as .06+ volts. I confirmed this on a x470 Aorus gaming 7. Not using a fluke multimeter because those are horrible for accuracy. But a very highend tektronix scope. And I was reading in software .063v higher then the actual voltage the cou was getting. 

 

AMD knows what they are doing. Using a - voltage offset has proven to lower performance just do a search multiple people are now confirming because of how pbo works and it's having what has been dubbed clock streaching. Because of how pbo works. 

 

 

Also I ran a 2700x at 1.5v according to software from launch till the 7th when I got my 3900x. Zero affect on the cou other then I sold it for $100 because I ran it that hard. Max overclock was still the same. Benchmarks still the same. Pbo boosted just as high.  Why we don't know how the 7nm runs with voltage that high AMD does and I seen PBO hit over 1.5 and I don't think anything over it because AMD knows there product.

Ok buddy, get off of your high horse, as I stated in the comment above, I trust AMD with their own products, but considering the fact that you most definitely can get the same performance level at lower temperatures, there is no reason to not go for it. If you apply a large voltage offset, I can see where performance would drop off, but that's what the whole point of overclocking and tuning your system is all about, finding the sweet spot. Also, you most definitely degraded that 2700x, just not to the point where your voltage started to become unstable, ryzen 2k was safe up to 1.375 with very little long term degradation, so the extra 100mhz that you probably got from running it that hard probably wasn't worth it. 

[paulmohr]

LIke others have said, if it pbo or some other amd setting doing it I wouldn't worry about it. I would pay more attention to temprature and power. 1.5 volts really isn't an issue if your temps are not high and your not pulling crazy wattages. Its something it does and honestly i can't make sense out of some of it.

 

For instance on my mother board if I choose the PBO enhanced mode 3 it will bost some cores up to almost 4.4 ghz  with voltages close to 1.5 volts. Yet the temps stay low and power consumption is pretty low too. All core clocks are only in the 4.1 range though.

 

If I use the "game boost mode" or whatever its called in my bios it will automatically over clock me to a steady 4.2 on all cores. The odd thing is it will do it at like 1.1 volts unless you hit it with a really heavy load then the voltage goes up. Heat and power draw goes up a bit, but nothing crazy.

 

Now if I straight up manually overclock it to 4.2 it needs more voltage. And then it sags when you hit it with a heavy load. LIke lets say you manually set the voltage to 1.35 in the bios. When you run R15 all core the voltage will sag to like 1.29 or 1.3 volts. And it actually uses more power and generates more heat. To get to 4.25 ghz you need to turn up the voltage more which means more heat. 4.3 simply won't happen on my 3600 even when trying scary settings.

 

And on cinebench tests I only see like a 80 point difference on the all core test and 5 points on the single core test. I think its like 1600 to 1615 stock and like 1680 overclocked to 4.2. And single core is like 195 stock and 200 at the highest I could get it.

 

I just decided to let the motherboard and cpu do its thing and go with the slightly lower performance so it draws less current and runs cooler. I mean I went from a 1500x to a 3600 so I could probably cripple this cpu and it would still pound my old one in the dirt lol.

[Sorenson]

3 hours ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Yes, I'm pretty far out of the ryzen loop while I'm using a ryzen system and have already overclocked my buddy's 3600 system, but please keep on acting like an asshole while showing no proof of such behavior. You don't seem like the helpful type after all, so please leave this thread be.

You don't want to show this guy undervaluing on laptops improving performance. He'd accuse you of being a nasa engineer who moonlights at the illuminati.