Should I go for pci-e 4?

[dwl2234]

As of now I have R 5 3600, I would like to go with crosshair 8 hero. Should I buy it or drop the idea and go for cheaper board and update it once pci-e5 is here. I know pci-e 3 isn't saturated yet, in this scenario is the pci-e 5 relevant.

[Firewrath9]

no.

get a decent x470 board (MSI's M7 ac is 200$ at MC, 150$ if you buy a 3000-series proc (better vrms than any other 200$ X570 mobo)

[dwl2234]

2 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

no.

get a decent x470 board (MSI's M7 ac is 200$ at MC, 150$ if you buy a 3000-series proc (better vrms than any other 200$ X570 mobo)

I am talking about CROSHAIR VIII HERO. obviously It has best VRMs as its high end Mobo

[Jurrunio]

Just now, dcakewalkgamer said:

I am talking about CROSHAIR VIII HERO. obviously It has best VRMs as its high end Mobo

his "no" refers to "getting PCIe 4"

[dwl2234]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

his "no" refers to "getting PCIe 4"

U mean I should wait for pci-e 5 to be out? then update it. Why to suggest so please explain 4 vs 5. I would like to know.

[ch3w2oy]

15 minutes ago, dcakewalkgamer said:

U mean I should wait for pci-e 5 to be out? then update it. Why to suggest so please explain 4 vs 5. I would like to know.

They're saying you don't need PCIe 4.. If you don't have a particular use case for it then you won't benefit from the additional costs incurred on X570.. 

 

I upgraded to the C8H myself and don't really care for it, honestly.. I thought it might have an edge with performance but it doesn't.. Wish I got the Phantom Gaming X instead.. Still might get it but I'm not sure yet.. 

 

Just get a good X470 of you're looking to save money.. 

[dwl2234]

1 minute ago, ch3w2oy said:

They're saying you don't need PCIe 4.. If you don't have a particular use case for it then you won't benefit from the additional costs incurred on X570.. 

 

I upgraded to the C8H myself and don't really care for it, honestly.. I thought it might have an edge with performance but it doesn't.. Wish I got the Phantom Gaming X instead.. Still might get it but I'm not sure yet.. 

 

Just get a good X470 of you're looking to save money.. 

But taking a new mobo should be more future proof right. Especially Upgrades in mind with time. Considering this pcie 4 still not worth it.?

[ch3w2oy]

6 minutes ago, dcakewalkgamer said:

But taking a new mobo should be more future proof right. Especially Upgrades in mind with time. Considering this pcie 4 still not worth it.?

No one knows the future.. The best GPUs don't even saturate PCIe 3 yet so unless you need insane amounts of bandwidth for storage then I don't think there's a reason to buy 4th gen for "future proofing." 

 

By time you need PCIe 4 for anything other than storage, chances are you'll be upgrading more than just the motherboard anyway..

 

I don't see a point in paying $100+ for it.. A cheaper X570 would be a good idea..

 

At least that's my thoughts..

[nick name]

Crosshair VII has PCIe 4.

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/28033224-post34.html

[dwl2234]

4 minutes ago, ch3w2oy said:

No one knows the future.. The best GPUs don't even saturate PCIe 3 yet so unless you need insane amounts of bandwidth for storage then I don't think there's a reason to buy 4th gen for "future proofing." 

 

By time you need PCIe 4 for anything other than storage, chances are you'll be upgrading more than just the motherboard anyway..

 

I don't see a point in paying $100+ for it.. A cheaper X570 would be a good idea..

 

At least that's my thoughts..

Got it.

[dwl2234]

2 minutes ago, nick name said:

Crosshair VII has PCIe 4.

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/28033224-post34.html

Wait what? did you mean C7H

[dwl2234]

6 minutes ago, nick name said:

Crosshair VII has PCIe 4.

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/28033224-post34.html

Is that screen real?

[Jurrunio]

38 minutes ago, dcakewalkgamer said:

U mean I should wait for pci-e 5 to be out? then update it. Why to suggest so please explain 4 vs 5. I would like to know.

Still, more bandwidth. For a typcial gaming rig even PCIe 3 x16 is enough, so forget PCIe 4 and 5. Heck I'm even fine on just PCIe 2 for now, and that's how many years already?

 

2 minutes ago, dcakewalkgamer said:

Is that screen real?

it's just a leak.

 

Basically, PCIe is not a point of consideration unless you hog a ton of PCIe devices around. It's good that the board you buy has PCIe 4, but I wont spend extra for it.

[nick name]

39 minutes ago, dcakewalkgamer said:

Is that screen real?

It's real.  It's from Elmor who just recently left ASUS to work on other things.  Notice the Elmor Labs watermark.  

36 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Still, more bandwidth. For a typcial gaming rig even PCIe 3 x16 is enough, so forget PCIe 4 and 5. Heck I'm even fine on just PCIe 2 for now, and that's how many years already?

 

it's just a leak.

 

Basically, PCIe is not a point of consideration unless you hog a ton of PCIe devices around. It's good that the board you buy has PCIe 4, but I wont spend extra for it.

It isn't a leak.  It's a recent test performed by Elmor.  

[Jurrunio]

21 minutes ago, nick name said:

It isn't a leak.  It's a recent test performed by Elmor.  

Leak as in "I dont know whether it will become official or when". It's rumoured and even leaked way back before that select boards with B450 and X470 chipset can run PCIe 4, AMD just took that back because someone's complaining Gigabyte. 

 

Also just because it has a watermark doesn't mean it's genuine, I can totally add that onto some random picture myself.

[nick name]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Leak as in "I dont know whether it will become official or when". It's rumoured and even leaked way back before that select boards with B450 and X470 chipset can run PCIe 4, AMD just took that back because someone's complaining Gigabyte. 

 

Also just because it has a watermark doesn't mean it's genuine, I can totally add that onto some random picture myself.

No, I know it's genuine because of whom it came from.  Elmor is unimpeachable.   

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, nick name said:

No, I know it's genuine because of whom it came from.  Elmor is unimpeachable.   

so can you guarantee PCIe 4 will go on as a new feature for those boards and stay like that?

[nick name]

8 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

so can you guarantee PCIe 4 will go on as a new feature for those boards and stay like that?

Well I can guarantee it if you keep a BIOS with it enabled.  If for whatever reason they remove it then you can just avoid that BIOS.  

[Jurrunio]

5 hours ago, nick name said:

Well I can guarantee it if you keep a BIOS with it enabled.  If for whatever reason they remove it then you can just avoid that BIOS.  

so to avoid all the coming bug fixing or performance boosting patches Ryzen does because they never get the software quite right from the start?

[nick name]

33 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

so to avoid all the coming bug fixing or performance boosting patches Ryzen does because they never get the software quite right from the start?

Hey, I'm not saying it's the best idea.  I'm saying it's how you could keep your PCIe 4 if you so elected.  

[Mira Yurizaki]

19 hours ago, ch3w2oy said:

The best GPUs don't even saturate PCIe 3

One could make the argument that the RTX 2080 Ti is starting to saturate PCIe 3.0 x16: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-pci-express-scaling/ . Maybe not all the time, but it's getting there.