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Cyberpunk's creator slams critics who claim Cyberpunk 2077 is racist / inaccurate to the source, refutes their claims

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30 minutes ago, Me1z said:

Calling people "tr*nsvestites" is a no go, and irrelevant. Bad journalist is a bad journalist, nuff said, don't make it personal.

Transvestite is not a slur, it can be used as one, as can any word. Please stop taking words our of lexicon because you don't like them.

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30 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

I was using that word because I thought it was accurate. Not as a slur.

 

Though, I confused the word transvestite with transgender. I don't see "transvestite" as a slur, though. I've now replaced it with transgender.

They are the same word. Transvestite fell out of favor in the 80's or 90's, but they mean the exact same thing.

 

Put Transvestite back, it's the word you use and you shouldn't be censored by snowflakes

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7 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

people are a bit over-sensitive these days

Never has a truer sentance been said, god help them if they where around in the xbox live days of 2010!

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24 minutes ago, Me1z said:

Yes, I edited it, because I'm not trying to unnecessarily escalate or politicize. I'm not saying you have to like the journalist or pretend that is article is deserving of respect (because its not), but the way the original post describes the journalist is rather inflammatory at best AND completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. 

 

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OP did nothing wrong. Words without language are only disrespectful if you make them that way. There are multiple inflections you can put on a word that define its meaning.

 

As I said in my other reply to you. Stop appropriating the english language to fit your agenda.

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5 minutes ago, RuffRuffmcgruff said:

Never has a truer sentance been said, god help them if they where around in the xbox live days of 2010!

Man those were the days! Certainly gave you some thick skin! 

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5 minutes ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

They are the same word. Transvestite fell out of favor in the 80's or 90's, but they mean the exact same thing.

 

Put Transvestite back, it's the word you use and you shouldn't be censored by snowflakes

That's what I was thinking. However, I looked it up and it looks like "transvestite" refers to someone who wears the clothes of the opposite sex for pleasure, a cross-dresser, while "transgender" refers to someone who identifies themselves as the opposite sex to their biological sex.

 

I guess they sound similar, but that "transvestite" is specifically someone who wears the clothes of the opposite sex and not necessarily someone who identifies as the opposite sex.

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1 minute ago, Delicieuxz said:

That's what I was thinking. However, I looked it up and it looks like "transvestite" refers to someone who wears the clothes of the opposite sex for pleasure, a cross-dresser, while "transgender" refers to someone who identifies themselves as the opposite sex to their biological sex.

 

I guess they sound similar, but that "transvestite" is specifically someone who wears the clothes of the opposite sex and not necessarily someone who identifies as the opposite sex.

When transvestite was a common word, transgender did not exist as a word. That was simply the word of the commentary of the time, and at the time that word meant what you stated because transgender people were frowned upon. There are a lot of amazing movies that commentate on the issue of Transvestite vs Transgender and exemplified a need for a mental health reform. My favorite is The Silence of The Lambs. Now a days, that definition of transvestite has gone away as it is quite obvious that most (though not all) people who dress as a certain gender identify or believe that they are that gender.

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Good response by him. Seriously, these morons bashing something out of thin air with 0 understanding, making drama out of anything, should just be ignored completely. They can't even understand basic principles of the game, settings, meaning even, just looking at something as black and white or like trying to find something that can bother them for some reason so they can spew shit. 

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26 minutes ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

Man those were the days! Certainly gave you some thick skin! 

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54 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

No, what I mean is "How about not making the same public outcry for yet another game (or media in general) or underpresentation, especially based on a 40 min gameplay." But thank you for putting words in my mouth on the "I like it more when games/games critics agree with me politically". But I am not surprised since it's you, once again.

But just for you, I don't care if 5% or 95% of characters are LGBT, caucasian or a completely other race, any other racial or cultural subgroup or if they're animals. I don't care if US is the hero or the soviets are ruling the world. I care about the game and how well they make the gameplay, story, and develop characters who can declare themselves as an apache helicopter, a turtle or a gremlin. I don't care. I have a superficial outlook on this art? No, it's the people who make the same outcry on every single game because they can't identify with a character. And then if their beloved character turns out to be the new Jack the Reaper then they cry on social media how the subgroup is wrongly represented. They always cry for one thing or another. They are never happy. And you call that a good view on art? I admire the game as an art from different standpoints and don't undermine the art impact because I don't agree with developers views. It is people like you who decide to make it political and undermine the art part.

 

Even the artist says:

Yet the same people would make the same outcry all over again because they have to be acknowledged. It's political because they made it.

I'd actually like to see more crazy designs. I loved Wolfenstein (not sure which game exactly) where Germany won the WW2 and everything was upside down as we know it. I want more of this in games where things are the way we knoiw them, but all wrong. Similar was Bioshock and it's 1950's setup with a touch of science fiction. We know how 50's looked like, but with all the genetics and splicers around it was messed up experience in a good way.

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26 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

No, what I mean is "How about not making the same public outcry for yet another game (or media in general) or underpresentation, especially based on a 40 min gameplay." But thank you for putting words in my mouth on the "I like it more when games/games critics agree with me politically". But I am not surprised since it's you, once again.

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Imagine if we could have a game without political stances, correctness and all other things.

if you meant what you're now claiming you meant you did a terrible job of communicating it. I extrapolated the only conclusions possible from your original statement since actually wanting that to the letter would mean excluding every game ever made with very few exceptions, if any.

 

If I call you out often it's because you tend to throw out debunked reactionary talking points rather frequently. Just look at how far you retreated from the original, untenable and extremely general statement as soon as someone pointed out how absurd it was. You went from "Imagine if we could have a game without political stances" to basically "let's not criticise this specific game based on a trailer".

34 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

But just for you, I don't care if 5% or 95% of characters are LGBT, caucasian or a completely other race, any other racial or cultural subgroup or if they're animals. I don't care if US is the hero or the soviets are ruling the world. I care about the game and how well they make the gameplay, story, and develop characters who can declare themselves as an apache helicopter, a turtle or a gremlin. I don't care.

That's all well and good but it's completely irrelevant to what I said. Also, if you don't care, why make a fuss about any of this? Let those who care care and enjoy the game when it comes out. Even if CDPR made changes based on this I don't see how gameplay would be affected and you don't seem to think the story would change depending on how the characters identify themselves.

37 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

I have a superficial outlook on this art? No, it's the people who make the same outcry on every single game because they can't identify with a character.

Basically a "no u" argument.

37 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

And then if their beloved character turns out to be the new Jack the Reaper then they cry on social media how the subgroup is wrongly represented. They always cry for one thing or another. They are never happy.

Seriously? Did you miss the BFV charade? People who talk like this are almost always the first to cry like babies whenever game developers do anything superficially more progressive than what they're used to. And what is this thread if not a bunch of "Gamers" ranting about one article they disagree with?

 

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42 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

And you call that a good view on art? I admire the game as an art from different standpoints and don't undermine the art impact because I don't agree with developers views. It is people like you who decide to make it political and undermine the art part.

So you DO think the game isn't inherently political. As I said, you're wrong - art IS inherently political in one way or another. I don't know what art you think you "admire" but if you take everything that could be seen (intentionally or not) as political out of the game you're left with abstract spheres increasing a score pointer via nondescript interactions with other spheres. In fact even that would be a political statement about people who want politics "out of their games".

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Who the (bleep) do YOU think you are to tell ME whether or not MY creation was done right or not.

Yet the same people would make the same outcry all over again because they have to be acknowledged. It's political because they made it.

I take it you're not familiar with "death of the author". Obviously the artist is entitled to their opinion and can explain what they meant but the art itself can have meaning that goes beyond what the author intended.

 

Oh, and maybe you missed the part where I said I don't necessarily agree with RPS on this - I just feel compelled to point out that 90% of what you wrote here is wrong or fallacious. You'll notice that I didn't reply to anyone to tell them the journalist is right, I only replied to people who took that position and from it jumped to absurd conclusions.

45 minutes ago, RuffRuffmcgruff said:

Never has a truer sentance been said, god help them if they where around in the xbox live days of 2010!

They were, the difference is that around 5 years ago a bunch of "commentators" sprung up like mushrooms and started making a living of being outraged about other people being outraged (or more often just criticizing any sort of blatant racism or sexism in games and later in different media). The truth is the stereotypical "triggered feminist" is little more than a stereotype and the few people who fall close to that characterization have been extremely amplified by people who profit from making fun of them.

2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

I'd actually like to see more crazy designs. I loved Wolfenstein (not sure which game exactly) where Germany won the WW2 and everything was upside down as we know it. I want more of this in games where things are the way we knoiw them, but all wrong. Similar was Bioshock and it's 1950's setup with a touch of science fiction. We know how 50's looked like, but with all the genetics and splicers around it was messed up experience in a good way.

The term for that is "alternate history". But you do realize both Wolfenstein the new order and Bioshock are extremely political games, right?

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They were, the difference is that around 5 years ago a bunch of "commentators" sprung up like mushrooms and started making a living of being outraged about other people being outraged (or more often just criticizing any sort of blatant racism or sexism in games and later in different media). The truth is the stereotypical "triggered feminist" is little more than a stereotype and the few people who fall close to that characterization have been extremely amplified by people who profit from making fun of them. 

Extremely true, the perfect counter is to comment our outrage at the outraged commentators being outraged at something that doesn't matter at all.

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"The critics are wrong" is such a shit take honestly: it puts Liberal against Liberal in a competition of "Who's got the most social capital" (i.e. Followers and media attention) to "win" the argument.

 

I am sure there can be legit criticism and legit points to be made for or against the game, once it is out for more than a few individuals invested in creating a fake controversy for publicity are involved. However as we have learned from a certain feminist youtuber that shall remain nameless, one can be critical of a medium while enjoying said medium anyway. Even if it seems as "destructive" criticism, it just aims at people to possibly self reflect issues of representation not to cause frivolous boycotts and other nonsense.

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1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

I kinda rest my case then? They make these outrage clickbait "articles" about all the wrongs in the game based on a fucking cinematic trailer...

The article says the demo has "weak gunplay and unimaginative stereotypes", I don't see a single claim that the article includes "all the wrongs in the game".

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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I'm so sick of SJWs can we not cry racism and sexism about every single thing that doesn't stand up to what our image of equality is, espcially when we ignore racism and sexism when it doesn't fit in our box?

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2 minutes ago, RuffRuffmcgruff said:

Extremely true, the perfect counter is to comment our outrage at the outraged commentators being outraged at something that doesn't matter at all.

The problem is that the outraged commentators are also a direct gateway to... less flavory circles. This became bigger than games when they moved from "game x isn't racist lol" to "racism and sexism don't exist and sjws are taking over the world to kill white men".

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

one can be critical of a medium while enjoying said medium anyway.

Funny how that part always gets ignored :/

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Sauron'stm Product Scores:

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Just a list of my personal scores for some products, in no particular order, with brief comments. I just got the idea to do them so they aren't many for now :)

Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

Spoiler

A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Funny how that part always gets ignored :/

"Everything is sexist, everything is racist and you have to point it all out"

 

- Most famous quote taken seriously when the context was specifically to self-deprecate about that very attitude.

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I'm so sick of SJWs can we not cry racism and sexism about every single thing that doesn't stand up to what our image of equality is, espcially when we ignore racism and sexism when it doesn't fit in our box?

We shouldn't give carte blanche to any and all criticism, but we need at least some "SJWs" out there to call out crap from media creators.  And I'd rather have someone be an overzealous (but well-meaning) critic than mindlessly cheer for the status quo.

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2 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Sure it's not like transphobia has real world repercussions. (Also notice the dates, these are all current news)

So, what information do you have that investigators don't that proves "transphobia" is even a factor?

 

Because reading a few of those, there is nothing remotely conclusive supporting that it was actually a hate crime.

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to the person who said can we have a game without politics.

minecraft if you play in single player.

I live in misery USA. my timezone is central daylight time which is either UTC -5 or -4 because the government hates everyone.

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I can't wait for all those "gaming magazines" to go down the drain and those "journalist" to loose their job.

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It's really not the games that are at issue. We people are. We influence each other. Often negatively. Which in return creates more negativity.

 

Games being the way they are is a direct reflection of how we people currently are.

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