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Cyberpunk's creator slams critics who claim Cyberpunk 2077 is racist / inaccurate to the source, refutes their claims

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Last week, gaming news site Rock Paper Shotgun ran an article written by a gaming journalist who is transgender and who emphasizes pronouns on their Twitter profile, who saw the depiction of minorities in Cyberpunk 2077, including "transhumans", black people, and Latinos as uninspired and as reinforcing stereotypes and racism. The author also threw in some swipes at Cyberpunk's gunplay in the same breath, just to make sure readers didn't miss the fact that the article has an objective of taking down the game by any means possible.

 

I personally suspect the author's criticism is disingenuous and basically made to swipe at CDPR and Cyberpunk in hopes of causing damage to the company and the game's sales because Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't the personal soap box platform the RPS author wanted it to be for transgenders and other groups of people, with game characters' attitude toward modifying themselves in Cyberpunk being the trigger for it all.

 

Well, the Rock Paper Shotgun article caused a sizable stir from commentators about whether Cyberpunk 2077 was plagued by racist ignorance and cultural insensitivity. One comment made in a reddit thread featuring a video interview with Cyberpunk's creator, Mike Pondsmith, summarized the comments on the RPS article like this:

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So the comment section under the Rock Paper Shotgun hit piece had some assholes (one very vocal one, in particular) repeatedly telling everyone that:

 

1. Mike Pondsmith was involved at some point, but he's definitely not heavily involved anymore, because he'd never sign off on something as "racist" as a gang called "Animals".

 

2. CDPR deviated from the 2020 canon horribly and inexcusably in their portrayal of the Voodoo Boys.

 

3. The whole thing just sets off "alarm bells" suggesting that the game is profoundly inauthentic and CDPR didn't really get Cyberpunk.

 

I wish I could throw this in their faces (if only to see how they'd try to argue 2+2=3), but RPS closed the comments, because they got tired of deleting posts from people telling them how full of shit they were.

 

That comment sparked a response from Mike Pondsmith, himself, who categorically and succinctly refuted each of those assertions being made by commentators and also in the RPS article.

 

The response made by Mike (who, in case you didn't know, is himself a black person) reads:

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1. If I wasn't heavily involved, I would be able to get more done. As it is, I barely have a life.

 

2. As for the Animals--the WHOLE FREAKING POINT is that they think of themselves as POWERFUL, DANGEROUS, WILD ANIMALS. You'd have thought the Lady named "Sasquatch" would have given them a clue.

 

3. The original Voodoo Boys were a scathing commentary on cultural appropriation. I LOVE the idea that real practicioners of Voudon moved in and took back their turf. And they even got the Creole right!

 

4. Who the (bleep) do YOU think you are to tell ME whether or not MY creation was done right or not?

 

So, Mike Pondsmith says the critics are wrong and are interpreting things in a way that fuels their agendas rather than how they actually are supposed to be understood.

 

 

Another article I read said it's unacceptable to call a gang of (allegedly) mostly-black people The Animals when there's a history of negative association. There was also some criticism over an in-game poster showing a chick with a dick:

 

Deeply transphobic ad in ‘Cyberpunk 2077’ represents everything wrong with cyberpunk

Cyberpunk 2077 art criticized as transphobic is meant to reflect corporate exploitation, says the artist

 

 

I kind of see the RPS article as the author thinking that the world and everyone in it is to be judged based on whether they're using every opportunity as a soap box to further that author's own agenda - including when the author's agenda is unrelated to the projects people are working on. Like, as though the RPS author thinks their personal goal overrides everyone else's and the purposes of other people's work.

 

I also noticed that the Rock Paper Shotgun article's author takes aim at Cyberpunk 2077's presentation of "transhumans" and black people as allegedly being "unimaginative stereotypes", but then also takes aim at the game's presentation for the opposite, alleging the "clumsy and inauthentic presentation of a Latino character". So, some characters are supposed to be less stereotypical, while others are supposed to be more stereotypical? Or, are the author's attacks on the game disingenuous?

 

 

Here's the interview with Cyperbunk creator Mike Pondsmith that the reddit thread was made for:

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That's great and all, don't really care much since people complaining about politically correct is quite mainstream and the best thing you can do about it is ignore it, what I do want to know is: Will they address this?

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1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

That's great and all, don't really care much since people complaining about politically correct is quite mainstream and the best thing you can do about it is ignore it, what I do want to know is: Will they address this?

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what the hell?

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1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

That's great and all, don't really care much since people complaining about politically correct is quite mainstream and the best thing you can do about it is ignore it, what I do want to know is: Will they address this?

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Wait, MINIMUM?

75% of what I say is sarcastic

 

So is the rest probably

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If you see people as their ethnicity or other group identity first and as humans second, and you are perpetually trying to virtue signal by showing that you stand for the oppressed (in a condescending way) then you will always be offended... You will not be able to explore a beautiful fictional world and revel in the role playing experience.

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1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

That's great and all, don't really care much since people complaining about politically correct is quite mainstream and the best thing you can do about it is ignore it, what I do want to know is: Will they address this?

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The game is coming out on current consoles. No way is that the min spec

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4. Who the (bleep) do YOU think you are to tell ME whether or not MY creation was done right or not?

.....i love this guy

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9 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

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12 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Imagine if we could have a game without political stances, correctness and all other things.

That's kinda rare nowadays, unfortunately..

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2 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

That's kinda rare nowadays, unfortunately..

It's even more bizarre writing an article of underpresentation based on a 40 min gameplay video. The cry to be noticed is through the roof.

But then again, RPS has been especially garbage in the last year so not unexpected.

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8 minutes ago, ravenshrike said:

The game is coming out on current consoles. No way is that the min spec

 

9 minutes ago, myselfolli said:

Wait, MINIMUM?

 

11 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

That's great and all, don't really care much since people complaining about politically correct is quite mainstream and the best thing you can do about it is ignore it, what I do want to know is: Will they address this?

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10 minutes ago, will1432 said:

what the hell?

Incorrect, that is the build they used during it's 2018 E3 demo:
https://www.vg247.com/2018/06/18/cyberpunk-2077-pc-specs-e3-demo-build/

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15 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

That's great and all, don't really care much since people complaining about politically correct is quite mainstream and the best thing you can do about it is ignore it, what I do want to know is: Will they address this?

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A 1080 Ti and 8700K at minimum spec? Ummmm. Is the recommended spec going to be a freaking super computer? I hope CDPR optimizes the game :) 

 

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I was wrong. Thanks for the correction @williamcll;) 

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Incorrect, that is the build they used during it's 2018 E3 demo:
https://www.vg247.com/2018/06/18/cyberpunk-2077-pc-specs-e3-demo-build/

 

Please ping or quote me if you want a response. :) 

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Open file with notepad:

C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\HOSTS

 

Add line:

127.0.0.1 rockpapershotgun.com

Save and close file

 

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17 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Imagine if we could have a game without political stances, correctness and all other things.

Then you'd have no GTA, Witcher series, Metal Gear Solid series, Scarface.....

 

The other counter argument is that games are works of art, a reflection of the artist's point of view. Some points of view are meh, others interesting, and some downright ugly.

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1 minute ago, VegetableStu said:

minesweeper.

 

... mmm actually no, war is politics

Oh, oh. I know! Paint simulator 2014.

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1 minute ago, huilun02 said:

Open file with notepad:

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Add line:

127.0.0.1 rockpapershotgun.com

Save and close file

 

You're welcome

So you want us to block rockpapershotgun.com? 

If so, I gladly accept the protection given by a more worthy person :D 

Please ping or quote me if you want a response. :) 

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This somewhat reminds me of how a few years ago a group of prostitutes in Australia successfully petitioned Target [Australia] to remove GTA V from sale because they claimed the game was setting a bad example for children and was not in line with Target's family friendly values.

 

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24 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

That's great and all, don't really care much since people complaining about politically correct is quite mainstream and the best thing you can do about it is ignore it, what I do want to know is: Will they address this?

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Isn't that minimum for RT on? 

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3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

a group of prostitutes

3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

not in line with Target's family friendly values

to anyone wondering, yes, the irony was completely lost on them

 

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God I hate idiots who endlessly whine about games, but they don't actually play them. Go be offended somewhere else ffs.

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36 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

I also noticed that the Rock Paper Shotgun article's author takes aim at Cyberpunk 2077's presentation of "transhumans" and black people as allegedly being "unimaginative stereotypes", but then also takes aim at the game's presentation for the opposite, alleging the "clumsy and inauthentic presentation of a Latino character". So, some characters are supposed to be less stereotypical, while others are supposed to be more stereotypical? Or, are the author's attacks on the game disingenuous?

I wouldn't see this as a contradiction, stereotypes aren't what I'd call "authentic". The writer could have meant that, in attempting to recreate a stereotype, the resulting character doesn't come off as a real human being. Note that I have no clue if this is true or not, I haven't seen the trailer - I'm simply saying it's not inherently contradictory.

30 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Imagine if we could have a game without political stances, correctness and all other things.

 

19 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

That's kinda rare nowadays, unfortunately..

There's no such thing as an apolitical game and there has never been; it's particularly absurd to expect that of a game based on stories that, from everything I've heard, extensively delve into social commentary. What you mean by this is "I like it more when games/games critics agree with me politically" - either that or you have an extremely superficial outlook on the art form and quite frankly you're missing out.

 

With that said the criticism by RPS seems a little excessive to me - it's perfectly possible there are some unhealthy tropes in the game but it doesn't seem to be any worse than countless other games in this respect. Perhaps it should have been framed more as a missed opportunity than intentional racism.

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