Apple accused of selling user data

[RejZoR]

I'll say it again, no EULA overrules GDRP. Meaning if this has been done to any EU users, Apple was violating EU privacy laws. And it's just a very shitty thing to keep saying how much you care about privacy and then sell full people names and addresses.

[Derangel]

1 hour ago, justpoet said:

Actually, what law allows is exactly what is at issue here.

 

As for misrepresentation, common knowledge is also included in that for advertisement, such as that you can send your data places with a web browser or an app, such as interacting on social media.  Apple saying their phone is private isn't misrepresentation.  The phone is private…the apps you added and then told to take your data aren't.

It will be up to courts to decide but an argument can be made that the average user would take Apple's privacy notice to imply (and implication is important) that everything allowed on the device (since it is a closed system and only apps Apple allows can be on the store) would protect their privacy. Apple could very easily demand what app developers can and cannot do with data gathered from iPhones. I don't think they should have to, but if the court believes that is what Apple is implying then they could be in a bit of trouble.

[Derangel]

1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

I'll say it again, no EULA overrules GDRP. Meaning if this has been done to any EU users, Apple was violating EU privacy laws. And it's just a very shitty thing to keep saying how much you care about privacy and then sell full people names and addresses.

Unless the EU says that phone OS developers are 100% responsible for the data collection practices of the 3rd party apps on their store (which would be a monumentally shitty thing to do) then Apple is in the clear as far as GDRP goes.

[PlayStation 2]

Ah, yes; the good ol' "Apple can't do it but Google can".

[Bouzoo]

ITT: If information slipped out it's users fault, Apple can't control what other apps do. 

IOT: Apple is by far the most secure and you should use Apple products.

 

The number of people defending Apple for having to not control 3rd party apps on their OS in their closed ecosystem is ridiculous. If you guarantee safety you absolutely are the one responsible for that. If Apple doesn't want apps sending data they would have blocked the permission on OS level for doing so. 

 

With all of that said, this is definitely a get rich quick scheme. 

[RejZoR]

53 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

ITT: If information slipped out it's users fault, Apple can't control what other apps do. 

IOT: Apple is by far the most secure and you should use Apple products.

 

The number of people defending Apple for having to not control 3rd party apps on their OS in their closed ecosystem is ridiculous. If you guarantee safety you absolutely are the one responsible for that. If Apple doesn't want apps sending data they would have blocked the permission on OS level for doing so. 

 

With all of that said, this is definitely a get rich quick scheme. 

The thing is, given how tightly Apple controls their ecosystem, saying they can't control what 3rd party apps to is total BS.

 

Also, what have 3rd party devs to do with it when iTunes is in question here? That's Apple, not "3rd party".

[Bouzoo]

35 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

The thing is, given how tightly Apple controls their ecosystem, saying they can't control what 3rd party apps to is total BS.

 

Also, what have 3rd party devs to do with it when iTunes is in question here? That's Apple, not "3rd party".

The 3rd party comment was for litetally every 2nd comment that was talking about that part. 

[BleachedFur]

8 hours ago, Captain Chaos said:

Apple is being sued by customers for unlawfully selling information about their iTunes purchases as well as personal data.  This data allegedly was sold to 3rd parties, which resulted in the plaintiffs getting "a barrage of unwanted junk mail at their home addresses and e-mail inboxes"

my girlfriend is 100% a victim of this. She used Apple products for YEARS until I told her about Apple's continued and blatant dishonesty and shadowy string pulling.

I'm not surprised by this in the least though

[ARikozuM]

15 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

my girlfriend is 100% a victim of this. She used Apple products for YEARS until I told her about Apple's continued and blatant dishonesty and shadowy string pulling.

I'm not surprised by this in the least

Everyone does it. Let’s not start that bullshit. 

[Gealach]

This is the entire fucking reason I owned an iPhone. Now I have no reason to stay.

[Gealach]

2 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Ah, yes; the good ol' "Apple can't do it but Google can".

Funny that, but I distinctly remember Apple's entire shtick being about privacy... interesting that people would get annoyed more by someone who claims to do good lying to your face...

[suicidalfranco]

5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Everyone does it. Let’s not start that bullshit. 

only one claims that they don't and makes huge billboard about it.

Small hint: it's a fruit and it ain't a blackberry 

[RejZoR]

9 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Everyone does it. Let’s not start that bullshit. 

Just because "everyone does it", it doesn't make it right.

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

The thing is, given how tightly Apple controls their ecosystem, saying they can't control what 3rd party apps to is total BS.

 

Also, what have 3rd party devs to do with it when iTunes is in question here? That's Apple, not "3rd party".

Because it is the third parties and data brokers selling the data in question.  If you read the case document, all their evidence is purchasing from internet data brokers, not from Apple, and mentioning that data came from Apple through third party apps.  That's why third parties are being discussed so much.

[ARikozuM]

6 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

only one claims that they don't and makes huge billboard about it.

Small hint: it's a fruit and it ain't a blackberry 

That’s what I’m arguing! Saying that Apple is “dishonest” is nearly saying “at least Google steals data without lying”. 

 

4 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Just because "everyone does it", it doesn't make it right.

I didn’t say that. In fact, check my last comment in the thread.

[RejZoR]

Remember when info "leaked" that MasterCard is giving (selling) Google info on purchases done through this card. I don't remember ever allowing MasterCard to give my purchase info to fucking Google. And yet they were doing it. And frankly I don't know if anything has been even done about that. Heard about it and then... just nothing.

[BleachedFur]

28 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Everyone does it. Let’s not start that bullshit. 

well then why haven't I been getting an assload of spam mail and whatnot? I've been an Android only person my whole life.

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, BleachedFur said:

well then why haven't I been getting an assload of spam mail and whatnot? I've been an Android only person my whole life.

I don’t get any either. Doesn’t mean that it’s just Apple’s or Google’s fault that it happens. It’s literally everyone in the chain. The larger and more important issue here is that the consumer is the only one without protection or return. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

the thing i want to know is if this is data from consumers who agreed to share data with Apple. when you first open iTunes it prompts you.

like this:

i would like to know if the data is from people who agreed.

[RejZoR]

7 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

well then why haven't I been getting an assload of spam mail and whatnot? I've been an Android only person my whole life.

I wasn't getting any either. Until I stopped using GMail. Then I started getting fuck ton of spam in that GMail account that wasn't getting any for years. Every now and then I check it and I have like 300 spam mails in the Spam folder basically every month. Before when i was actively using it, I rarely got 1 or 2 in like 6 months.

[suicidalfranco]

24 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Remember when info "leaked" that MasterCard is giving (selling) Google info on purchases done through this card. I don't remember ever allowing MasterCard to give my purchase info to fucking Google. And yet they were doing it. And frankly I don't know if anything has been even done about that. Heard about it and then... just nothing.

Don't remember MasterCard making ads about how their greatest selling point is their customers privacy.

[RejZoR]

5 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

Don't remember MasterCard making ads about how their greatest selling point is their customers privacy.

That's not what I was trying to say. What I was trying to say is that no one gives a shit about our privacy and we need to take care of it as much as we can.

 

Also, this thing with Apple makes things far worse since they say how much they care about our privacy. Saying that and then not standing by your words can be devastating for your business. Unless you're Facebook. Coz they can cock up things on daily basis and nothing happens to their business...

[Video Beagle]

8 hours ago, Captain Chaos said:

That was my initial impression too.  But then again any decent lawyer will advise against starting a court case if there is no chance of winning it.  So there must be some evidence that data is indeed sold by Apple. 

You include Apple hoping that they'll throw money at it to make it go away, rather than let it go to trial.

[BleachedFur]

55 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Every now and then I check it and I have like 300 spam mails in the Spam folder basically every month

I get spam in my gmail but i have filters that mark it as read and sends it straight to the trash. Most of it is just from sites I signed up for because I was desperate and less experienced.

[CTR640]

10 hours ago, rockking1379 said:

If this does turn out to be true it will no doubt damage the brand in an irreparable way. That’s been one of the “arguments” of iOS over android. Less data collected and sold. Well allegedly 

Doubt it to be honest. Apple is too big to face brand damage. And not to mention there are a certain amount of users that prefers Apple/iPhone.