Gigabyte X570 Master VRM analysis out is OP

[Firewrath9]

I think this is important enough count as news.

Gigabyte's X570 Master uses a true 16 phase controller, with 70A powerstages in a 12+2 setup. Buildzoid analysed in this GN video,

 Gigabyte also annouced a 16 phase (vcore) X570 Extreme, and if it has the same 70A powerstages, then it would be the most powerful & best VRM for consumer use ever (IMO better than the 28 phases on the Z77 due to true 16 phase and better powerstages)

https://videocardz.com/press-release/gigabyte-announces-x570-aorus-xtreme-motherboard-with-16-phase-vrm

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The flagship X570 AORUS XTREME motherboard boasts a 16-phase, all Infineon digital power design with each phase capable of managing up to 70A for lower impedance and improved balance.

70A??  Thats more than the IR3579 which is the flagship power stage by Infineon...

 

Adding X570 Gigabyte extreme, master, X570 MSI meg creation, ace, godlike, GPC, GE, GP, ASRock Taichi

 

oh and X570 extreme has 12 rear io USB ports, 6 USB 3.0, 4 usb 2.0, 2 USB 3.1, and the heatsink is FULLY FINNED

(I could also use some help with the X570 list)

Oh and ASRock is making a RX570 w/ TB3

 

Prices have been added for GB to my list

[CiBi]

I have this feeling AMD motherboards won't be cheaper than Intel ones this gen.

[Fasauceome]

So, high end boards have the ability to push insane power to these new CPUs, despite their Newfound efficiency that Dr su boasted. The only thing I can think of that would require this is extreme overclocking by wide margins, and that would only be possible if they fixed the voltage curve problems Zen and Zen + had. There's a lot to look forward to 

[MeatFeastMan]

9 minutes ago, CiBi said:

I have this feeling AMD motherboards won't be cheaper than Intel ones this gen.

The MSI Godlike was being talked about at around $800 from one of the articles I read earlier....ouch.

 

I hope they don't go too over the top with the motherboard pricing cause I don't want to pay mad money for this 12 core system.

 

 

[thorhammerz]

2 hours ago, fasauceome said:

So, high end boards have the ability to push insane power to these new CPUs, despite their Newfound efficiency that Dr su boasted. The only thing I can think of that would require this is extreme overclocking by wide margins, and that would only be possible if they fixed the voltage curve problems Zen and Zen + had. There's a lot to look forward to 

"Efficiency" is relative, both on an architecture-to-architecture perspective, and also along different segments of the voltage / frequency curve. 

 

Chips that are incredibly power efficient at the 2.0-3.0 GHz range (e.g. Rome server chips) may still end up tripping your power breaker if you try to push 4.5-5 GHz on them.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, MeatFeastMan said:

The MSI Godlike was being talked about at around $800 from one of the articles I read earlier....ouch.

 

I hope they don't go too over the top with the motherboard pricing cause I don't want to pay mad money for this 12 core system.

 

 

Even with the motherboard being that expensive you're looking at a cheaper price than the Intel CPU alone...

[Fasauceome]

16 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

"Efficiency" is relative, both on an architecture-to-architecture perspective, and also along different segments of the voltage / frequency curve. 

 

Chips that are incredibly power efficient at the 2.0-3.0 GHz range (e.g. Rome server chips) may still up tripping your power breaker if you try to push 4.5-5 GHz on them.

Low efficiency would be one story, but if it was just as voltage demanding as first gen with little payoff, these boards wouldn't really make sense in the hands of the average consumer imo. Either ryzen overclocking will become a lot more accessible, or the overkill vrm boards are an extremely  limited run, and I doubt that's the case from so many vendors

[melete]

11 hours ago, MeatFeastMan said:

The MSI Godlike was being talked about at around $800 from one of the articles I read earlier....ouch.

 

I hope they don't go too over the top with the motherboard pricing cause I don't want to pay mad money for this 12 core system.

 

I think with how many more X570 boards there are than X470/X370, we're going to get plenty of good value overclocking boards, too. Just a much larger product stack this time around.

[Firewrath9]

On 5/27/2019 at 9:44 PM, melete said:

I think with how many more X570 boards there are than X470/X370, we're going to get plenty of good value overclocking boards, too. Just a much larger product stack this time around.

Gigabytes cheapest board is over 170$, according to GN, hopefully prices decrease.

[melete]

1 minute ago, Firewrath9 said:

Gigabytes cheapest board is over 170$, according to GN, hopefully prices decrease.

Oh. That's... disappointing. PCIE 4.0 woes?

[Firewrath9]

On 5/27/2019 at 9:50 PM, melete said:

Oh. That's... disappointing. PCIE 4.0 woes?

Yeah, and b/c AMD wants some more cash. They make 1/6 as much as intel per dollar sold (margin). Still much cheaper than intel 8c16t + decent mobo is ~600-650 vs 500 for amd

[Doobeedoo]

The X570 Aorus Xtreme is really beastly! Definitely one I keep my eye on.

[S w a t s o n]

On 5/27/2019 at 9:49 AM, Firewrath9 said:

I think this is important enough count as news.

Gigabyte's X570 Master uses a true 16 phase controller, with 50A powerstages (IR3556) in a 12+2 setup. Buildzoid analysed in this GN video,

 

70A??  Thats more than the IR3579 which is the flagship power stage by Infineon...

In the Gigabyte mobo video from GN, Steve says the powerstages were changed to 70A in a later revision. Buildzoid's analysis is the 0.4 pre-release version. So both master and extreme should be 70A power stages

[Deli]

These 12, 14 phases VRM are totally waste of money. They do it for the marketing purpose. A good solid 8 phases(or 8+2) will be more than enough even for the up coming 16 core CPU. All these extra mosfets do is just jacking up the price of the mobo.

[Firewrath9]

50 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

In the Gigabyte mobo video from GN, Steve says the powerstages were changed to 70A in a later revision. Buildzoid's analysis is the 0.4 pre-release version. So both master and extreme should be 70A power stages

oh, ok.

[Drak3]

37 minutes ago, Deli said:

These 12, 14 phases VRM are totally waste of money. They do it for the marketing purpose. A good solid 8 phases(or 8+2) will be more than enough even for the up coming 16 core CPU. All these extra mosfets do is just jacking up the price of the mobo.

Looking at the 7980XE, it's pretty understandable for these manufacturers to overbuild the hell out of these things.

[Firewrath9]

44 minutes ago, Deli said:

These 12, 14 phases VRM are totally waste of money. They do it for the marketing purpose. A good solid 8 phases(or 8+2) will be more than enough even for the up coming 16 core CPU. All these extra mosfets do is just jacking up the price of the mobo.

8 decent phases running at a 300-400W output (totally possible) will create substantially more heat than 12 decent phases

ASUS only put 4 phases and their mobos are still expensive

[Deli]

53 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

8 decent phases running at a 300-400W output (totally possible) will create substantially more heat than 12 decent phases

ASUS only put 4 phases and their mobos are still expensive

VRM of the first gen X399 mobo for Threadripper only has 8 phases. The 1950X and 2950X can draw 300w when overclocked. No one complain about the VRM of those mobo overheating. Only when the 24 and 32 cores come they need to beef up the VRM.

 

Let wait and see if the up coming 16 core can draw way more than an 2950X.

 

Asus can suck my balls.

[Exotath]

I like them being overbuilt and lately Gigabyte has been making some fantastic boards. I love my Aorus Z370 Master. If I were to build an X570 based system it'd def be with one of their new boards.

 

...now if they could just make better software....

[Crunchy Dragon]

46 minutes ago, Exotath said:

I like them being overbuilt and lately Gigabyte has been making some fantastic boards. I love my Aorus Z370 Master. If I were to build an X570 based system it'd def be with one of their new boards.

 

...now if they could just make better software....

Gigabyte makes pretty solid boards all-around from what I've noticed.

 

Even their crappy boards feature dual BIOS, something I really wish more manufacturers did.

[Deli]

12 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Gigabyte makes pretty solid boards all-around from what I've noticed.

 

Even their crappy boards feature dual BIOS, something I really wish more manufacturers did.

Their new X570 itx board looks like a 6+2 phases. I wish it's 8+2.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

some thoughts on x570 massive power draw and active cooling:

-it is designed for future 16 cores cpu capability?

-if there are no pcie 4.0 devices installed, no extra power needed?

thats why b350/450 shall still be fully capable of high end zen2 

[RejZoR]

The reason vendors are now cramming so much power is they learned that:

a) AMD isn't going away

b) Ryzen is becoming more and more popular

c) Old boards just weren't cut for such huge jumps in core counts (they weren't really ready for new AM4 CPU's)

[Valentyn]

This is also th only motherboard with passive chipset cooling, instead of an active fan. Those are some fine heat pipes and propped heatsinks. Looks like my next motherboard.

 

Prices seem like they’re going to be Intel level sadly. Wish they’d cut costs and remove the bling and rgb stuff.

 

Give me solid VRMs, decent features, and proper cooling for that 12-16 core, and chipset.

[Blze001]

9 hours ago, Deli said:

Their new X570 itx board looks like a 6+2 phases. I wish it's 8+2.

It is kind of a shame that ITX is still an afterthought for most board makers.