Which CPU/Mobo combo is the gold standard for gaming right now?

[CoolMarquis97]

So I recently upgraded to a 1070 along with a 1440p monitor. However, I'm still rocking a 4690k with a H97-Plus. I'm looking to upgrade that pair because honestly, they are old and they just aren't as prestigious as my 1070. However, every time I look at new CPUs I see people trashing the 9th generation chips and recommending the 8th generation, which is hard to find for decent prices. I've always been a Team Blue guy but is AMD more popular right now? Are Ryzen CPUs the best CPU on the market right now in terms of strictly gaming? What CPU would you guys recommend me look at, and which motherboard should I pair that with? 

 

Thanks!

[NunoLava1998]

Can you wait for Zen2? Announcement is in 7 days and it should be on store shelves by July

[Princess Luna]

I'd go with an i7 8700K on a Aorus Elite Z390 (if you want ATX) for a gaming specific rig.

[CoolMarquis97]

Just now, NunoLava1998 said:

Can you wait for Zen2? Announcement is in 7 days and it should be on store shelves by July

Huh, didn't know that. I'll definitely look out for the announcement. Are these assumed to be better than Intel's 9th gen chips?

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, CoolMarquis97 said:

So I recently upgraded to a 1070 along with a 1440p monitor. However, I'm still rocking a 4690k with a H97-Plus. I'm looking to upgrade that pair because honestly, they are old and they just aren't as prestigious as my 1070. However, every time I look at new CPUs I see people trashing the 9th generation chips and recommending the 8th generation, which is hard to find for decent prices. I've always been a Team Blue guy but is AMD more popular right now? Are Ryzen CPUs the best CPU on the market right now in terms of strictly gaming? What CPU would you guys recommend me look at, and which motherboard should I pair that with? 

 

Thanks!

Well, by your term "gold standard" it would be the 9900K and Godlike motherboard.

 

To answer what you're really asking.. wait for Zen 2, otherwise 8700k/9700K and AORUS motherboard.

[jerubedo]

Right now, I'd say the 9600K/Z390 UD. It hits numbers very close to the 9700K/9900K at a much lower price.

[MeatFeastMan]

8 minutes ago, CoolMarquis97 said:

Huh, didn't know that. I'll definitely look out for the announcement. Are these assumed to be better than Intel's 9th gen chips?

They will at worst be a tiny bit behind the 9th gen intel chips, but most likely they will be on par or just edge the 9th gen out. The big difference though will be the efficiency. 9th gen isn't very efficient whereas Zen2 will be really efficient because of 7nm. And it'll be a fair bit cheaper than 9th gen is too. Wait for zen2. 4690k still gets the job done. Get the zen2 6 core cpu.

 

 

[Dedayog]

13 minutes ago, CoolMarquis97 said:

So I recently upgraded to a 1070 along with a 1440p monitor. However, I'm still rocking a 4690k with a H97-Plus. I'm looking to upgrade that pair because honestly, they are old and they just aren't as prestigious as my 1070. However, every time I look at new CPUs I see people trashing the 9th generation chips and recommending the 8th generation, which is hard to find for decent prices. I've always been a Team Blue guy but is AMD more popular right now? Are Ryzen CPUs the best CPU on the market right now in terms of strictly gaming? What CPU would you guys recommend me look at, and which motherboard should I pair that with? 

 

Thanks!

Can you OC on that board, if so how far?

 

You want to upgrade for prestige?  Then get that wallet out.

[ch3w2oy]

6 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Right now, I'd say the 9600K/Z390 UD. It hits numbers very close to the 9700K/9900K at a much lower price.

The 9600k is a budget option when shopping Intel.. I wouldn't buy a 6 core 6 thread and plan on it being "great" for more than a couple years (like 2), honestly.. I already see complaints with 6 cores on intel with no hyper threading.. The 9900k is the best because of hyper threading.. I'd go at least an 8700k if you have the money.. 9700k preferably.. 

[jerubedo]

10 minutes ago, ch3w2oy said:

I wouldn't buy a 6 core 6 thread and plan on it being "great" for more than a couple years (like 2), honestly..

I expect it to provide excellent performance for 5 or so years. There's no data either way, and it's all speculation.

 

11 minutes ago, ch3w2oy said:

I already see complaints with 6 cores

Where? There is currently no game in which it even remotely struggles. Even the higher thread count games like Assassin's Creed Origins and Battlefield 5:

 

 

23 minutes ago, ch3w2oy said:

is the best because of hyper threading

Hyperthreading, right now, at 6 or more cores, doesn't do much for gaming. At the end of the day it's still a 6-core part and hyperthreading simply makes each core work harder than it normally would. At the end of the day, it's a max gain of about 30% in completely optimized loads ONLY. In gaming, it rarely exceeds 10-15% in FPS, and most of the times it's closer to that 10%.

[ch3w2oy]

33 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

I expect it to provide excellent performance for 5 or so years. There's no data either way, and it's all speculation.

 

Where? There is currently no game in which it even remotely struggles. Even the higher thread count games like Assassin's Creed Origins and Battlefield 5:

 

 

 

 

Hyperthreading, right now, at 6 or more cores, doesn't do much for gaming. At the end of the day it's still a 6-core part and hyperthreading simply makes each core work harder than it normally would. At the end of the day, it's a max gain of about 30% in completely optimized loads ONLY. In gaming, it rarely exceeds 10-15% in FPS, and most of the times it's closer to that 10%.

You're right, I'm sorry.. 

[jerubedo]

3 minutes ago, ch3w2oy said:

You're right, I'm sorry.. 

It's all good, sweetie  

[CoolMarquis97]

2 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

Can you OC on that board, if so how far?

 

You want to upgrade for prestige?  Then get that wallet out.

Unfortunately, I don't think I can with this board. And when I say prestige, I don't necessarily mean the most expensive chip+board combo but more so a processor and motherboard along the same lines as my 1070. 

[Stefan Payne]

13 hours ago, CoolMarquis97 said:

However, I'm still rocking a 4690k with a H97-Plus. I'm looking to upgrade that pair because honestly, they are old and they just aren't as prestigious as my 1070.

Wait a week, until the Presentation next Monday.

We should know way more then.

 

13 hours ago, CoolMarquis97 said:

However, every time I look at new CPUs I see people trashing the 9th generation chips and recommending the 8th generation, which is hard to find for decent prices.

Yes, because the 9k Series is mostly garbage as SMT is usually disabled with some rare exeptions for the i5 and i7 series.

An i7-8700K had 6 Cores and 12 Threads.

The only 9k series that has SMT enabled is the 9900K. Every other doesn't come with SMT enabled.

And that makes them shit CPUs. Right now it might be enough but look back, when Dual Cores were introduced and all the people claimed "ah, you will never need 2 Cores" or Quad Cores "ah, Dual Cores are more than enough for gaming". Well, yeah, no.

They always were slapped in the face by reality. And were wrong.

 

There is no reason to assume that it is any different today. And thus the 9th generation is mostly garbage.

 

13 hours ago, CoolMarquis97 said:

I've always been a Team Blue guy but is AMD more popular right now?

Brand Loyalty leads to higher prices with shittier products.

The 9th Series is the best example of that. That can only happen because too many people are blindly buying Intel and/or have no experience with the switch from Single -> Dual or to Quad Cores...

 

Right now 6 Cores/6 Threads might look good enough. But I'd bet that in a couple of years you'll see that they were wrong.

Same as the i7 for your socket, if you had gotten it at the time, would have been much better today, wouldn't it?

 

History is repeating itself over and over again!

And people seem to not be willing or able to learn from the Past...

13 hours ago, CoolMarquis97 said:

Are Ryzen CPUs the best CPU on the market right now in terms of strictly gaming? What CPU would you guys recommend me look at, and which motherboard should I pair that with? 

right now? Nothing.
I'd wait for the 7nm AMD Chips and get those. If nothing else, the prices might change dramatically or Intel might be forced to enable SMT on the 9k Series again.

 

But with all that Security holes stuff, based on Meltdown/Spectre, Popping up every other month, I'd stay away from Intel as far as I can.

Especially since the Mitigations for that will cost Performance. 

 

With 7nm AMD right at the door (and competing Intel products nowhere to be seen), plus the Upgrade Path that AMD already announced and Intel only doing 2 Generations per Socket, I don't see any reason to get Intel right now.

[Stefan Payne]

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I expect it to provide excellent performance for 5 or so years. 

Right now, when there is movement in the CPU Market again and not a Standstill, I doubt it.

Its only wishful thinking. 

And especially the "excellent Performance" is really unlikely for a 6C/6T CPU as upcoming Consoles will feature 8 Core CPUs with SMT enabled. 

 

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There is currently no game in which it even remotely struggles.

Yes, there already are games that show far lower minfps on non SMT CPUs.

 

And with what we know about the past, its safe to assume that it won't get better and Games will be more demanding on CPUs again.

Especially since we right now have something we didn't have in the last 10 Years:

Actual Competition!

And the Core Count for Desktop has already doubled in the last 2 years or so. 

Do we really think there won't be much more happening in the next 5 Years or so?! Highly unlikely...

 

And with that, we're back to the normal IT stuff and not the almost 10 Years 4 Core + SMT shit...

 

Remember, 10 Years ago it was impossible to use a 10 Year old CPU!

[SigmaDire]

don't listen to any of these freaking people literally stopped reading halfway thru

 

for 1440p gaming in 99% of games a  $150 ryzen 7 1700 will perform as well or within 5% as well as a $500 9900K

and this is with a  GTX 1080 ti/rtx 2080/rtx 2080 ti level card only 

 

upgrade your GPU first then worry about CPU and don't get a CPU/mobo combo that together costs over $300 USD and don't get anything without hyper/multithreading

 

lol

 

 

[Dedayog]

44 minutes ago, SigmaDire said:

don't listen to any of these freaking people literally stopped reading halfway thru

 

for 1440p gaming in 99% of games a  $150 ryzen 7 1700 will perform as well or within 5% as well as a $500 9900K

and this is with a  GTX 1080 ti/rtx 2080/rtx 2080 ti level card only 

 

upgrade your GPU first then worry about CPU and don't get a CPU/mobo combo that together costs over $300 USD and don't get anything without hyper/multithreading

 

lol

 

 

He shouldn't ask the question if he doesn't want the answer, maybe?

 

If you ask what the best is (that's what gold standard means, btw), then we'll answer it. It gets annoying to get constant "What's the best GPU/CPU?!?!?!" threads all the time.

 

Learn 2 phrase based on your actual needs..   

 

Now, Stephan Payne's post was a little on the dramatic side and all that about dual and quad cores... both sides made them back then, and they both have a roadmap that is determined by what the market will bear as well as internal factors and production.  Why didn't we have 500hp family cars 20 years ago then?  Because 200hp was enough then?  Why didn't we have 80 inch LED TV's 20 years ago?  Cuz 19 inch tube TV's were good enough?

 

No one is getting slapped in the face.  Tech moves and grows. 

 

Wait the week, and see what AMD announces.  

[SigmaDire]

4 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

He shouldn't ask the question if he doesn't want the answer, maybe?

 

If you ask what the best is (that's what gold standard means, btw), then we'll answer it. It gets annoying to get constant "What's the best GPU/CPU?!?!?!" threads all the time.

 

Learn 2 phrase based on your actual needs..   

 

Now, Stephan Payne's post was a little on the dramatic side and all that about dual and quad cores... both sides made them back then, and they both have a roadmap that is determined by what the market will bear as well as internal factors and production.  Why didn't we have 500hp family cars 20 years ago then?  Because 200hp was enough then?  Why didn't we have 80 inch LED TV's 20 years ago?  Cuz 19 inch tube TV's were good enough?

 

No one is getting slapped in the face.  Tech moves and grows. 

 

Wait the week, and see what AMD announces.  

" they just aren't as prestigious as my 1070"

 

-actual quote from OP

 

if you decipher his literal burgers post what you actually get is "what is appropriate and best for my price range" and since his price range is "a GTX 1070 is prestigious", answer accordingly

 

do not let the butthurt flow thru you because the title is clickbait and lured you into this thread only to find a delusional OP behind the wheel of this car.

[Dedayog]

Just now, SigmaDire said:

" they just aren't as prestigious as my 1070"

 

-actual quote from OP

 

if you decipher his literal burgers post what you actually get is "what is appropriate and best for my price range" and since his price range is "a GTX 1070 is prestigious", answer accordingly

 

do not let the butthurt flow thru you because the title is clickbait and lured you into this thread only to find a delusional OP behind the wheel of this car.

Scroll up and see I answered both for him, addressing his issues.  

[SigmaDire]

Just now, jstudrawa said:

Scroll up and see I answered both for him, addressing his issues.  

*scrolls up to see if answer was the same as mine*

 

well good job on suggesting an AORUS motherboard, you are among friends but you suggested on the intel side a 8700k which cost more than his gpu and on the AMD side buying a new AMD processor which will come at a steep premium compared to first and second gen parts and offer no advantage for gaming @ 1440p on a GTX 1070 so factually you are wrong in addition to the usual dues ex reason that you forced me to

 

A.Scroll

B.Read

C.Type

 

Have a nice day sir.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

18 hours ago, jerubedo said:

Right now, I'd say the 9600K/Z390 UD. It hits numbers very close to the 9700K/9900K at a much lower price.

Are we considering the 9600K a good value now?