[Rumour?] Huawei P30 Pro "fakes" moon photos automatically?

[BananaInSandals]

Source (in Chinese)

A Weibo post quoted in the source

 

Quote

北京「愛否科技」一名主筆上周拍片質疑P30 Pro拍攝月亮時涉嫌「P圖」（利用Photoshop修圖），甚至把貼在月亮上的內褲圖案修改成月球環形山模樣。愛否科技之後發表聲明，稱華為是「通過優秀算法」得到更多照片細節，批評該主筆誤導觀眾，「給整個行業造成了不良影響」，決定即時解僱他。

Beijin tech channel FView' writer uploaded a vidoe last week questioning P30 Pro's "Photoshop" the picture whenever using the phone to take moon pictures, even replacing the underwear picture, which has been manually replaced the Lunar Crater, with the Lunar Crater. FView later released a statement claiming that Huawei has used "advance calculations" to add more details to the pictures. The statement also criticized the writer for misleading the viewers and "brought bad influence to the industry". The writer has been fired.

內地《觀察者網》周五（19日）報道，王躍琨被解僱後，有內地網民多番測試華為P30 Pro拍攝功能，發現手機拍攝月亮時有「『無中生有』的能力」，甚至把外形像月亮的冥王星圖片，以及放在圓形外框中的《出師表》都「拍」成「月亮」

After its report on Friday (19th) and the dismissal of the writer, PRC netizens has tested P30 Pro's photo shooting capability and discovered that the moon "enhancement" to be true. It even "enhanced" Pluto, which shape like the moon, and Chu Shi Biao, a famous ancient Chinese literature, in a circular frame into "moon".

Right: the alleged (former) writer

Up left: Huawei's promo pic

Bottom left: Original picture with an underwear superimposed on the moon

Bottom middle: alleged "enhanced" photo when using P30 Pro to shoot the underwear moon pic

 

Left: Chu Shi Biao in a circular frame

Middle: blurred imaged alleged to be used as the original pic

Right: the alleged "enhanced" picture by P30 Pro

 

Personal thought:

Personally can't verify if this is true or not. But if it's true, this is some major bull crap they've pulled. Imagine taking a photo of your kid with a Thomas the Tank engine model and Thomas' face becomes the moon surface... That'll be really creepy. 

If LTT has a review sample, maybe try this out and let us know if this is (still) true. Would be really funny if a moon pic with a dickbutt superimposed or a blurred Linus butt pic ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) becomes a nice normal moon pic.

[GoldenLag]

i dont think the regular consumer would care about this. they would just be happy they got a really pretty picture of the moon...........

[DrMacintosh]

It's Huawei. Their entire business model is based off of lies

[Guest]

Huawei are cheap and nasty anyway. Surprised this is a feature.

[D13H4RD]

Honestly, I'm not really surprised.

 

If this is from the automatic "AI" mode, most phone cameras with that "feature" do bullshit like this anyhow, especially the "beauty" skin effect.

[brownninja97]

Damn people here really dont like Huawei, honestly it just seems like the AI messed up, seems like a fringe case to me.

[TechyBen]

Colour correction error (and auto bokeh) turns into conspiracy theory and racist bashing.

 

OH I love this planet.

 

Though IMO auto bokeh is the spawn of the devil.

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, TechyBen said:

Colour correction error (and auto bokeh) turns into conspiracy theory and racist bashing.

 

OH I love this planet.

 

Though IMO auto bokeh is the spawn of the devil.

Companies are a race now?

[porina]

Auto modes in digital cameras, more so in consumer models and phone cameras, have been doing "enhance that" since forever. Not necessarily picking the moon as a specific subject up to now. It's a matter of how much software you want to write to detect and optimise for target subject cases. As they get more prolific in options, there is increased risk of false detection and inappropriate processing.

 

Also I misread the last bit of text as Char Siu Bao. Someone take a photo of one of those on the phone and see if it also turns that into the moon  

[poochyena]

Is this really much different than all the other effects that smartphone cameras apply to pictures already?

[Arika]

5 hours ago, BananaInSandals said:

Right: the alleged "enhanced" picture by P30 Pro

then this is all bullshit then. pretty sure everyone knows that you can't take a picture like something on the right, "enhance" it and get a perfectly clear image like on the left.

 

The underwear is also one hell of a stretch...

 

oh right Huawei bad rrrrbrhrhhrgrgrhrgh

 

Huawei had done some stupid shit in the past, but this is the most flimsy "proof" to bash on the company.

[MrFixitBlankFace]

Well, here’s this guy.

seems like a pretty good shot to me.

 

 

[hayden1881]

 

[LukeSavenije]

5 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

It's Huawei. Their entire business model is based off of lies

said by a apple fan...

 

i think the whole Huawei problem is blown up

 

supermicro had literal spychips, nokia sent data to china, but those get in the news like once

[DrMacintosh]

17 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

nokia sent data to china

Huawei is co-owned by the Chinese Government. That’s how most, if not all, communist “corporations” operate. 

[LukeSavenije]

15 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Huawei is co-owned by the Chinese Government. That’s how most, if not all, communist “corporations” operate. 

source?

[Dabombinable]

43 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

source?

It's conjecture based of what little we know of Huawei's ownership, which isn't much once you get to "trade union committee"
https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/04/19/huawei-not-owned-by-its-employees-state-ownership-likely-research-paper/

 

It certainly wouldn't be a surprise with how tightly the CCP tries to control everything within China.

[dizmo]

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Huawei is co-owned by the Chinese Government. That’s how most, if not all, communist “corporations” operate. 

To be fair though, that's not exactly why governments and such are concerned about Huawei. It's not that. It's that every Chinese corporation has to cooperate with the government when requested; whether they're privately owned, or owned by the government. 

[XenosTech]

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It's that every Chinese corporation has to cooperate with the government when requested; whether they're privately owned, or owned by the government.

Now this I can see as a valid concern more so than everyone screaming "It'S OwnED BY THe ChIneSE GOvErnMEnt"

[MrFixitBlankFace]

People can still take amazing moon pics.

[bowrilla]

10 hours ago, dizmo said:

To be fair though, that's not exactly why governments and such are concerned about Huawei. It's not that. It's that every Chinese corporation has to cooperate with the government when requested; whether they're privately owned, or owned by the government. 

Which is also true for US companies. If requested they have to comply. Nothing new, nothing Chinese-specific. 

[TechyBen]

18 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Companies are a race now?

No, but some people only bash companies of a certain race.

[parthm]

this unnecessary Huawei bashing seems really stupid to me.personally stock/custom ROM guy but their software does work great (my friend's phone). idk why people go crazy with brand loyalty. one plus,Nokia, etc caught sending data but no Huawei is dangerous. until any proof is provided ill have to assume it's done to keep Huawei out of 5g infrastructure since its a Chinese company.

[Trik'Stari]

21 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Companies are a race now?

Well, an argument could be made for certain companies exclusively employing one ethnic group over another.

 

Lookin at you McDonalds.

[zhubaohi]

As I person who were following the incident on Chinese forum for the past few days, I'd like to share some popular opinions & test results in Chinese tech community.

 

1. Huawei clearly uses a trained AI model in the moon mode, but the AI is trained well so that it won't pop up when you are shooting other things. Trained AI model is very hard to fool.

2. The "underwear" photo is a scam, it's just an out-focused photo, the result cannot be reproduced.

3. More tests are taken these days, according to these tests, the P30(pro) IS adding more moon detail when it's shooting photoshopped moon pictures, and it's ONLY-TRIGGERED when you are shooting moon, it won't trigger even when you are shooting bright circles in an dark environment.

4. It is NOT faking a moon picture thru photoshop, the phone uses the results of you actually shoot, and uses an algorism to make the photo look better. This is very common nowadays, every phone company does the same thing. This is how Pixel 3 can shoot amazing photo with it's dark mode. 

 

The discussion is already over in the chinese tech community, and our conclusion is: YES, Huawei IS adding more moon details to the picture, but it's nothing new in the phone business.  

 

I get that NA people don't like Huawei, same as your government. But there's really no reason to BS everytime you see the word "Huawei".