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My predictions for Zen 2

I am not an AMD employee, afilliated with AMD or have access to inside information at AMD. This is just pure speculation.

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Expected clock speeds and wattage for Zen 2:

  • ATHLON line: 3.5GHz-4GHz at 35W-55W
  • RYZEN 3 line: 3.8GHz-4.4GHz at 45W-95W
  • RYZEN 5 line: 4.1GHz-4.7GHz at 65W-105W
  • RYZEN 7 line: 4.3GHz-4.9GHz at 95W-145W
  • RYZEN 9 line: 4.6GHz-5.2GHz at 125W-185W
  • THREADRIPPER line: 4.7GHz-5.5GHz at 125W-280W

Expected launch date should be Computex; L2 and L3 cache should double, and single-core should increase by 20% and IPC by 10% (higher single core does not always correlate to higher IPC, but higher IPC always correlates to higher singlecore; IPC is instructions per clock and single core is 1 core)

Some confirmed facts are that AVX2 performance should double, and that Ryzen performance should perform a higher tier than current Ryzen (i.e. Zen2Athlon performs like Zen1r3, Zen2r3 performs like Zen1r5, Zen2r5 performs like Zen1r7).

 

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2 minutes ago, NunoLava1998 said:

Ryzen performance should perform a higher tier than current Ryzen (i.e. Zen2Athlon performs like Zen1r3, Zen2r3 performs like Zen1r5, Zen2r5 performs like Zen1r7).

I think the entire performance tier will go up, not just each processor. If a Ryzen 5 3600 performs as well as a Ryzen 7 2700, that's a little disappointing. Even the base model Ryzen 3 should be beating the high tier Ryzen of last gen in single threaded, if meaningful gains are made, especially going on that CES demo.

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I would be really happy with ryzen 9 at 4.9ghz, how ever, if it is really 5.2ghz i will take it,

BUT threadripper at 5.5ghz makes no sense, as more cores = lower frequency, so if threadripper is 5.5ghz, then i would expect the same from ryzen 7-9.

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It's all about that sweet 5GHz barrier. If they can actually hit that it's gonna be sweet.

 

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More cores, but they will limit the turbo anyway to less than all cores. Threadrippers do use higher binned chips so it's possible that's the reason. But you can't expect 32 cores to run at 5.2GHz. If they can get 8 I'd be amazed.

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hopefully they can redeem themselves from attempting 5ghz with bulldozer

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As a SFF enthusiast, I'm more hyped for better efficiency than faster speeds. If I can get a Ryzen hex core that runs well at ~40 watts, i'd be a happy man.

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11 minutes ago, fantasia. said:

hopefully they can redeem themselves from attempting 5ghz with bulldozer

Rip literal melted motherboards, the 9590 was a grim reaper indeed.

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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oh god some more fanboyism

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

oh god some more fanboyism

not really actually, this is pretty much expected

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1 minute ago, NunoLava1998 said:

not really actually, this is pretty much expected

where do you base your expectations from? It's not like someone else has built a CPU with TSMC 7nm before

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

where do you base your expectations from? It's not like someone else has built a CPU with TSMC 7nm before

There have been quite a lot of leaks, but here's a Athlon/Ryzen 3 that was leaked. Same performance as a 1600

https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_device.php?q=c9a598d994d0f0b5dbbc9ccfaec3b3dfba80a092d685b484b0f2b0fdc98ec6f4ab98a08fbc88d799bfd8e5c8f9dfad90a086efd2e3c5ad90a583fbc6f7d1b4d1ecdcfa89b48c&l=en

Plus it's a completely new "architecture" compared to Zen

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15 minutes ago, NunoLava1998 said:

There have been quite a lot of leaks, but here's a Athlon/Ryzen 3 that was leaked. Same performance as a 1600

https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_device.php?q=c9a598d994d0f0b5dbbc9ccfaec3b3dfba80a092d685b484b0f2b0fdc98ec6f4ab98a08fbc88d799bfd8e5c8f9dfad90a086efd2e3c5ad90a583fbc6f7d1b4d1ecdcfa89b48c&l=en

Plus it's a completely new "architecture" compared to Zen

Gaming performance =/= synthetic performance aside, how could you predict frequency and TDP based on that?

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This is interesting. 5.5ghz on a 16 core threadripper is a little bit too much for my liking. Considering the 1950x went up to 4ghz and the 2950x up to 4.4ghz, I think 5-5.2ghz is reasonable. I wouldn't rule out 5.5ghz given the jump from 12nm to 7nm is far larger than the 2nm shrink last time out, but I do think 5.5 is too good to be true. If it did reach that though, then Intel is in serious bother.

 

So according to AMD's specs, that indicates that for every 1nm shrink, 200mhz is added on threadripper (It's definitely smaller on normal ryzen though). That would indicate 1ghz more. Which is 5.4ghz, so not too far off what you've said. I still think 5-5.2 is more reasonable.

 

As long as we get 5.0ghz on some of the chips, then I'm happy and I think everyone else would be too. Anything higher is a bonus.

 

The most interesting thing for me is how AMD approach this launch. Do they focus heavily on clock speeds and give the chips really high clocks out of the box, or do they promote the efficiency of the chips instead, and amaze everybody by the crazy overclocking potential on them. I think they should go for the latter personally (They went the efficiency route at CES comparing it to 9900k, I expect them to continue that).

 

If we get 5ghz, I can finally replace my fiery FX9590 with a real successor. Can't wait.

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43 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Rip literal melted motherboards, the 9590 was a grim reaper indeed.

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32 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Gaming performance =/= synthetic performance aside, how could you predict frequency and TDP based on that?

because it says so in the engineering sample's name? 65W 4c/8t

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4 minutes ago, NunoLava1998 said:

because it says so in the engineering sample's name? 65W 4c/8t

then please explain how that's read, I don't see how "2DS104BBM4GH2_38/34_N (4C 8T 3.8GHz, 733MHz IMC, 4x 512kB L2, 2x 8MB L3)" shows 65w.

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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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