New build for very long-term use

[Pomchip]

Hi

I've been watching LTT youtube videos for a little while now, but this is my first post to this forum.

10+ years ago, I built my first (and only) DIY desktop using parts that were relatively high-end for the time. I have upgrade the OS over time (linux and Win10) and it is working fine. But, let's face it, it is showing signs of age (longer time at boot or opening apps, etc) and I think it is time to build a new one.

So following the thread recommendations, here are the general parameters:

1. I live in the US. Budget is not necessarily an issue. I generally like to weigh my options, starting from the best overall stuff before settling on the best overall value for my goals (why spend money if you don't have to?).
2. Aims:
   1. the primary goal for this build is to last 10 years like my previous one did (save the earth and all...).
   2. I don't do gaming but I occasionally perform computationally-intensive stuff (eg, numerical simulations, AI model training, etc) using language/computing platforms that are mostly CPU-driven and RAM-driven. But, let's be realistic, 95% of the time, I use my computer for coding, web-surfing, watching videos, document writing, photo management and editing. I think my old graphics card has never experienced any meaningful usage.
   3. Dual boot: linux mint (95% of my time is spent on linux) - windows 10 (when I have to)
3. Monitors: I have a fairly plain DELL P2412H (1920x1080), but would like to upgrade to a larger format in the future (not now)
4. Peripheral:
   1. I have keyboard, mouse, pen tablet (a Wacom bamboo), and NAS
   2. I have a KVM switch to (surprise!) switch between my work laptop and personal desktop

I am not sure if I can salvage anything from my previous build (even the drives are showing sign of age). Maybe my ANTEC box (see attachment), PSU (Corsair CX450, which I fairly recently installed when my former PSU died), and optic drive (ah ah!).

 

I must admit that I have only remotely followed the evolution of computer hardware for the past 10 years, so I start my education for nearly scratch. One thing I have in mind is to purchase a 9th generation Intel chip to avoid as much as possible the spectre/meltdown vulnerabilities...

 

I welcome any advise

 

Thanks

 

PS: I have read somewhere that RAM price is decent these days... I could start by buying that based on your recommendations.

 

[GoldenLag]

If you can. Wait a couple of months for Zen 2. In terms of longevity that should be a clever choice. 

[Pomchip]

6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

If you can. Wait a couple of months for Zen 2. In terms of longevity that should be a clever choice. 

Thanks for your input.

 

I would like to stick with Intel chips, as numerical computation in stochastic simulations are highly influenced by the CPU architecture and numerical representation (something about difference in endianness between AMD and Intel chips). Intel chips are the go-to platform in my industry.

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

Thanks for your input.

 

I would like to stick with Intel chips, as numerical computation in stochastic simulations are highly influenced by the CPU architecture and numerical representation (something about difference in endianness between AMD and Intel chips). Intel chips are the go-to platform in my industry.

Youu mean AVX workloads? Other than that they arent much different. And Zen 2 should according to rumours improve upon AVX performance.

 

 

What workloads are we talking about?

[TH3R34P3R]

if you want intel: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$524.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	MSI - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card	$699.99 @ Amazon
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2298.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 09:48 EDT-0400

huge huge performance bump. (this is if you want a huge amount of ram on the GPU for models if you do stuff with that) 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$524.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card	$729.99 @ B&H
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2328.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 09:49 EDT-0400

 same thing as above, with a 'stronger' gpu from nvidia over AMD.  

 

 

now with both of these builds, the case fans are to fill every spot in the case to make it run cooler and much quieter than if you had less fans. this is designed to be less maintenance than if you went water cooled, but like all rigs, should still be cleaned regularly. 

[TH3R34P3R]

and for AMD: 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor	$238.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS GAMING 7 WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard	$219.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card	$729.99 @ B&H
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2022.54
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 09:55 EDT-0400

 and yes, you can simply go different GPU (the vega 7 like my intel suggestion had in the first one). 

 

everything else is the same. and if you do not want to overclock, go for the ryzen 7 2700x. 

[Pomchip]

24 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Youu mean AVX workloads? Other than that they arent much different. And Zen 2 should according to rumours improve upon AVX performance.

 

 

What workloads are we talking about?

Nonlinear mixed-effects modeling which is a form of statistical number crunching typically based upon upon FORTRAN and C++ compiled code

[Pomchip]

17 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

if you want intel: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$524.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	MSI - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card	$699.99 @ Amazon
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2298.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 09:48 EDT-0400

huge huge performance bump. (this is if you want a huge amount of ram on the GPU for models if you do stuff with that) 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$524.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card	$729.99 @ B&H
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2328.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 09:49 EDT-0400

 same thing as above, with a 'stronger' gpu from nvidia over AMD.  

 

 

now with both of these builds, the case fans are to fill every spot in the case to make it run cooler and much quieter than if you had less fans. this is designed to be less maintenance than if you went water cooled, but like all rigs, should still be cleaned regularly. 

Wow, that is super detailed. Thanks a bunch!

 

Is there a solution where I could get a top-notch CPU and a basic GPU (I am not gaming or rendering crazy high-res video)?

 

[TH3R34P3R]

Just now, Pomchip said:

Wow, that is super detailed. Thanks a bunch!

 

Is there a solution where I could get a top-notch CPU and a basic GPU (I am not gaming or rendering crazy high-res video)?

 

yeah. how much do you wanna do gpu based? that will determine it. 

 

I only went 2080/vega 7 for longevity. and if you ever do game, its more future proof than other ones. 

[Pomchip]

2 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

yeah. how much do you wanna do gpu based? that will determine it. 

 

I only went 2080/vega 7 for longevity. and if you ever do game, its more future proof than other ones. 

I haven't played any kind of games on my old rig... so I can reasonably assume that this will be the case in the future

[TH3R34P3R]

with a mid range GPU: 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$524.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$399.99 @ Amazon
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1998.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 10:13 EDT-0400

 

 

With a lower end GPU: 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$524.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card	$189.99 @ Newegg
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1818.64
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$1788.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 10:14 EDT-0400

 still not a slacker anyway, but by no means as long term as the other ones. 

 

then a final one, with a vega 56, which eats through more of the rendering side of stuff (from what ive heard) in some programs. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$524.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$239.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$74.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB Video Card	$269.99 @ Newegg
Case	be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case	$176.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 77.57 CFM 140mm Fan	$22.89 @ Amazon
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	be quiet! - SilentWings 3 PWM High-Speed 73.33 CFM 120mm Fan	$19.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1868.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 10:16 EDT-0400

 

Edited April 3, 2019 by TH3R34P3R
one more rig.

[TH3R34P3R]

Just now, Pomchip said:

I haven't played any kind of games on my old rig... so I can reasonably assume that this will be the case in the future

yeah. ok then, ill recommend one more rig as well... lemme do it real fast to add it onto my last post. 

[Pomchip]

14 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

yeah. ok then, ill recommend one more rig as well... lemme do it real fast to add it onto my last post. 

Well, that definitively gives me some material to review and think about.

 

Thanks a lot for your time and help

[GoldenLag]

22 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

Is there a solution where I could get a top-notch CPU and a basic GPU (I am not gaming or rendering crazy high-res video)?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 2950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($829.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U14S TR4-SP3 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($79.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X399 DESIGNARE EX ATX TR4 Motherboard  ($386.47 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC BLACK GAMING Video Card  ($349.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! - Silent Base 801 | Silver ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2241.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 10:32 EDT-0400

 

well this will be the best CPU you can fit in the approximate budget of builds above. you can drop the CPU to something like this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MsWfrH/xfx-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gts-xxx-ed-video-card-rx-580p8dfd6

 

i know you dont like AMD, but if your programs utilizes many cores and heavy CPU loads. then its hard to pass up a threadripper

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Pomchip said:

uld like to stick with Intel chips

Because you want the security holes that Intel Chips come with!
And long live the Monopoly, don't care if the Competition is even better...

 

Anyway, look up "Intel Spoiler Vulnerability", that's found by IBM or the other Spectre/Meltdown based things. 

Or the new "Intel VISA" Backdoor that was found recently.

 

Yeah, makes total sense to NOT look at the competition and overpay on a product.

 

Quote

 Intel chips are the go-to platform in my industry.

That doesn't mean anything as its entirely possible that the people in "your industry" are not too well informed and buy Intel because they always did, not because its the better choice or make sense.

 

But, as said, in June or so, the Zen2 based chips should arrive, wich are much better than Zen1.

 

Old style better, not Intel style slightly better than last gen.

[Pomchip]

15 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Because you want the security holes that Intel Chips come with!
And long live the Monopoly, don't care if the Competition is even better...

 

Anyway, look up "Intel Spoiler Vulnerability", that's found by IBM or the other Spectre/Meltdown based things. 

Or the new "Intel VISA" Backdoor that was found recently.

 

Yeah, makes total sense to NOT look at the competition and overpay on a product.

 

That doesn't mean anything as its entirely possible that the people in "your industry" are not too well informed and buy Intel because they always did, not because its the better choice or make sense.

 

But, as said, in June or so, the Zen2 based chips should arrive, wich are much better than Zen1.

 

Old style better, not Intel style slightly better than last gen.

I am not a specialist so I will not enter into this discussion with you.

That being said, I hear your arguments, but as far as I know AMD is in the same boat.

 

Plus you are not necessarily aware about the regulation and SOPs in place my industry to ensure the reproducibility and validation of platforms supporting a multi-billion economy. I am pretty sure our IT guys know what they are talking about

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Pomchip said:

That being said, I hear your arguments, but as far as I know AMD is in the same boat.

AMD avoided most of the major incidents. and those that work are apperantly a lot harder to execute. 

 

and some are intel specific. 

 

we also have one AMD specific one, but it requires BIOS modding. and if someone is modding your BIOS, you are screwed anyway

[GoldenLag]

8 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

Plus you are aware about the regulation and SOPs in place my industry to ensure the reproducibility and validation of platforms supporting a multi-billion economy.

so you need ECC memmory compatiblity that you do not get with intel untill you start to chough up the Xeon bucks?

 

or?

 

edit: nvm i read it again and ye idk what.

[Stefan Payne]

5 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

I am not a specialist so I will not enter into this discussion with you.

Then you should use what I said to look it up and read up on it.

5 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

That being said, I hear your arguments, but as far as I know AMD is in the same boat.

That is what the Intel fans claim but not the Security guys, who don't have shown any proof of concept on AMD side

And also AMD said, legally binding, that they think they are not suceptible to most of the security risk, especially Meltdown and the SMT Exploit.

 

Also AMD has some kind of access validation wich Intel does not has, so its not likely that AMD is affected by the same degree as Intel because AMD does check access rights to some degree - Intel does not.

 

5 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

Plus you are not necessarily aware about the regulation and SOPs in place my industry to ensure the reproducibility and validation of platforms supporting a multi-billion economy.

What the heck are you talking about?!

Also that's total bullshit.

 

You haven't delivered ONE Argument that disqualifies AMD in any meaningful way - because there are none!

5 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

I am pretty sure our IT guys know what they are talking about

 

Yeah, that's why they are still holding on to insecure Intel processors and not looking at alternatives, right??

 

 

 

Also have you seen Level1 Tech??? You know, Wendel, the guy that looks into stuff. That says he's Youtube Tech Support for other Channels?? The guy that likes to use AMD Hardware wherever he can??
Because the AMD Hardware right now is better and Intel garbage!
 

Toothpaste on a 2000€ CPU between Die and Lid is unecceptable!

But you want Intel, you buy that shit.

Even if you can get a soldered CPU that is about as good for half that price...

 

[Pomchip]

4 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Then you should use what I said to look it up and read up on it.

That is what the Intel fans claim but not the Security guys, who don't have shown any proof of concept on AMD side

And also AMD said, legally binding, that they think they are not suceptible to most of the security risk, especially Meltdown and the SMT Exploit.

 

Also AMD has some kind of access validation wich Intel does not has, so its not likely that AMD is affected by the same degree as Intel because AMD does check access rights to some degree - Intel does not.

 

What the heck are you talking about?!

Also that's total bullshit.

 

You haven't delivered ONE Argument that disqualifies AMD in any meaningful way - because there are none!

 

Yeah, that's why they are still holding on to insecure Intel processors and not looking at alternatives, right??

 

 

 

Also have you seen Level1 Tech??? You know, Wendel, the guy that looks into stuff. That says he's Youtube Tech Support for other Channels?? The guy that likes to use AMD Hardware wherever he can??
Because the AMD Hardware right now is better and Intel garbage!
 

Toothpaste on a 2000€ CPU between Die and Lid is unecceptable!

But you want Intel, you buy that shit.

Even if you can get a soldered CPU that is about as good for half that price...

 

OK, thanks for your input. I am not looking for a fight... please, find someone else to do that.

 

I am out.

[Stefan Payne]

9 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

we also have one AMD specific one, but it requires BIOS modding. and if someone is modding your BIOS, you are screwed anyway

No we don't!
We have some bullshit claimed by some shady actors, where some were already indicted for stock manipulation at one time in their life (people looked up), that doesn't have a Proof of Concept, that is only theorized.

 

And it is so specific that its totally useless and improbable to use.

 

If you already have hardware access to a level where someone could flash a BIOS - that could kill the Computer - you are in deep shit anyway.

 

The new found Intel VISA - wich is an undocumented, not secured DEBUG PORT found on Intel products is far more probable and interesting exploit.

 

Here some more Infos about that:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/29/intel_visa_hack/

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/news/intel-visa-sa-00086-exploit-researchers-computer-data-access-2014854

 

But hey, we have to claim that Intel, who gets attacked left and right with Security vulnerabilitys is better suited than AMD that has almost no known Spectre/Meltdown style Vulnerabilitys, ECC Support for Desktop CPU Products while Intel has an undocumented Debug Port that's up in the open to be exploited...

[Stefan Payne]

5 minutes ago, Pomchip said:

OK, thanks for your input. I am not looking for a fight... please, find someone else to do that.

 

I am out.

I ain't looking for a fight either, I'm just telling you that your view on the CPU stuff is incorrect.

 

Just think for a minute:
ECC Support: AMD, with the right Boards, all Ryzen CPU Products support ECC. Threadripper officially, Ryzen Desktop inofficially.

 

Security Vulnerabilitys: Intel = Swiss Cheese, AMD not that bad.

 

Stability: throw a coin

 

"Worksmanship" in the CPU: Intel likes to use not that great thermal interface material for their CPUs, AMD likes to solder higher end stuff. So all Ryzen CPU and Threadripper are soldered to the lid.

On Intel, the 8k Core Series isn't soldered, as is Skylake X (7k HEDT).

 

Stability: There isn't a difference in decades, if you know what you're doing, you don't have Problems on either side. Though stuff tends to be made more for Inte than AMD.

 

 PCIe Lanes: Intel provides 16 Lanes on Desktop Products, AMD 20 (+4 for Chipset on both sides), in HEDT Intel offers 44 Lanes, AMD a whopping 20 Lanes more -> 64 lanes.

And in the embedded Single Chip Ryzen Package, its even 32 lanes...

 

Buttom Line:
AMD is as good or better than Intel.

In the "Professional Enviroment", AMD beats the shit out of Intel because of the Support for ECC Memory in normal Desktop products, while on Intel you need a Server/Workstation Mainboard and a Xeon CPU! ECC don't work on COnsumer X-Series Motherboards either. And more CPU PCIe Lanes.

 

The upcoming Zen2 will bring PCIe 4.0 to the Market....

[celerystruct]

3 hours ago, Pomchip said:

I would like to stick with Intel chips, as numerical computation in stochastic simulations are highly influenced by the CPU architecture and numerical representation (something about difference in endianness between AMD and Intel chips). Intel chips are the go-to platform in my industry.

But both chips are based on x86 architecture and so both are little-endian so that shouldn't matter.

 

1 hour ago, Pomchip said:

Plus you are not necessarily aware about the regulation and SOPs in place my industry to ensure the reproducibility and validation of platforms supporting a multi-billion economy. I am pretty sure our IT guys know what they are talking about

I don't think any industry makes it a point to use one particular processor or one particular brand of goods for that matter. Also people who use their PCs mainly for productivity tasks see benefit in AMD chips due to its higher multi-threading performance.

 

Also how old are those IT guys of your's? Shouldn't follow what they say blindly all the time. 

 

If you really want to get Intel you can go ahead and do so since money doesn't seem to be an issue for you but will you at least consider AMD? You came here specifically to ask for help because you've been out of the loop for a while. I think it'd be to your benefit to listen to what people here have to say on the matter. Things change.

[Pomchip]

OK,

 

So I read more about the recent AMD chips, and must admit that my understanding of the CPU market was a bit outdated. AMD chips seem to be valid contenders for my personal machine. Security-wise, from AMD's own admission (https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/security-updates), their chip architecture is not immune to vulnerabilities and AMD advises on relying on OS-based patches to some degree... The degree of vulnerability might be lower on AMD's side compared with Intel, but this is not a clear cut situation.

 

I will also not re-open the discussion about why Intel CPU are used at my workplace... there are very good reasons to maintain the continuity in our computing grid architecture. That's beside the point of this thread. Just wanted to defend my IT guys, there are real pros!

 

With that said, I have also considered the price-point of the proposed builds and revised things a bit downward. This is what I come up with as reasonable AMD-based option:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$294.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard	$174.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$127.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card	$189.99 @ Newegg
Case	be quiet! - Silent Base 601 | Black ATX Mid Tower Case	$109.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1228.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$1198.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-03 22:21 EDT-0400

Follow-up questions:

• Does anybody have any concern with the proposed components?
• The total estimated wattage is 358W. I am thinking about keeping my current Corsair CX450... is it cutting it too short? Or should I shell another 100+ bucks on a 600-750W PSU?
• Does anybody have concerns about the compatibility of these components with linux (assuming a ubuntu-based distribution)?
• why so many additional fans were listed with the be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case while the config based upon the Silent Base 801 had none?
• can I shut down the RGB light show on the motherboard? It's not really my thing

 

[Ravendarat]

If it was me personally I would probably go for something like an rm650x corsair power supply or similar, I know what Pcpartpicker says for total draw but that 450 seems just a bit small to me. 

You can ditch your cooler and use the wraith cooler that comes with the cpu provided you arent doing over clocking, that will basically off set the price of a new psu.

RGB can be turned off completely on that board (I have the gaming 7 wifi with the same processor)

I dont know why so many fans were recommended, I dont know the case you are getting, does it include fans?