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Warm 970 Evo Plus 500GB

TheNaitsyrk

Recently bought 1TB and 500GB models of 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSDs.

 

They run bit hot.

 

CrystalDiskInfo plays a melody when I open it and sometimes the one that has OS on it is at 52C idling.

 

Is that "normal"?

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900KS SP 109 (125P-79E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC6 1.43V (real voltage 1.305V + - Temps 77-80 P-Cores, 66-68 E-cores)

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8600Mhz CL38 (OC from 8000Mhz CL40)

GPU: RTX MSI 4090 Suprim X with EKWB waterblock

Case: My own case fabricated out of aluminium and wood

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

WiFi: BE202 WiFi 7 Tri-Band card module

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 240Hz Ver. 5120x1440 with G-Sync and Freesync Premium Pro 1008 Firmware Ver, and 1x Electriq USB C 1080p 15'8 inch IPS portable display for temperature and stats, MSI 23'8 144Hz G-Sync

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo with 5 temperature sensors

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY)

Total: 5x pumps and 13x radiators 50x 3000RPM Noctua Industrial fans

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow V3 RGB - Green switches

Sound: Logitech Z680 5.1 THX Certified 505W Speakers

Mouse: Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock

Piano: Yamaha P155

Phone: Oppo Find X5 Pro

Camera: Logitech Brio Pro 4K

VR: Oculus Rift S

External SSD: 256GB Overclocking OS

LaptopMSI Titan GT77HX V13RTX 4090 175W, i9 13980HX OC: P-Cores 5.8Ghz 3 cores and 5.2Ghz 5 cores and E-Cores 4.3Ghz, 192GB of RAM @5600Mhz @3600 (chipset limit),

12TB (3x4TB) of NVMe, 17'3 inch 4K 144Hz MiniLED screen, 4x 17'3 ASUS portable USB-C Monitors 240Hz, Creative Sound Blaster G6 Sound Card, Portable 16TB NVMe in TB4 enclosures (8x2TB), Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock gaming mouse, Keychron K3 gaming keyboard with blue switches low profile, Logitech Brio 4K Webcam.

Hand held: ROG Ally with XG Mobile RTX 3080 with Keychron K3 low profile keyboard (Blue Switches) and Razer Hyperspeed V3 mouse and 4TB NVMe upgrade (WDBlack SN850X), with 100W 20000Mah power bank and portable monitor ROG XG17AHP 17'3 inch 240Hz with built in battery, and 518Wh Power station for Camping.

HTPC: 13900KS SP111 5.9Ghz P-Core 4.8Ghz E-Core 1.43V LLC7 (Real Voltage 1.4V) with Supercool Direct Die, RTX 3090 ASUS Strix White with Active Water Block, ASUS Strix Z790-F Motherboard, 2x16GB DDR5 8000Mhz running 7600Mhz CL38, 4x 2TB Samsung 990 Pro NVMes, 3x 360mm EKWB PE White rads 3x 480mm external XE EKWB rads with 2x D5 pumps (single loop) with 21 Uni fans, G5 Odyssey 144Hz 1440p monitor, Keychron K3 slim mechanical keyboard and Basilisk Ultimate mouse, Corsair Elite Wireless headset.

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3 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

If they're anywhere near the graphics card, they're going to be in the way of the exhaust heat unless it's a blower style cooler.

 

EDIT: I see you have a water cooled video card, so there goes that.

To be fair, my 1TB one gets hot too. And that one is not even close to the other one. I'm using top and bottom slot on the mobo.

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900KS SP 109 (125P-79E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC6 1.43V (real voltage 1.305V + - Temps 77-80 P-Cores, 66-68 E-cores)

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8600Mhz CL38 (OC from 8000Mhz CL40)

GPU: RTX MSI 4090 Suprim X with EKWB waterblock

Case: My own case fabricated out of aluminium and wood

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

WiFi: BE202 WiFi 7 Tri-Band card module

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 240Hz Ver. 5120x1440 with G-Sync and Freesync Premium Pro 1008 Firmware Ver, and 1x Electriq USB C 1080p 15'8 inch IPS portable display for temperature and stats, MSI 23'8 144Hz G-Sync

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo with 5 temperature sensors

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY)

Total: 5x pumps and 13x radiators 50x 3000RPM Noctua Industrial fans

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow V3 RGB - Green switches

Sound: Logitech Z680 5.1 THX Certified 505W Speakers

Mouse: Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock

Piano: Yamaha P155

Phone: Oppo Find X5 Pro

Camera: Logitech Brio Pro 4K

VR: Oculus Rift S

External SSD: 256GB Overclocking OS

LaptopMSI Titan GT77HX V13RTX 4090 175W, i9 13980HX OC: P-Cores 5.8Ghz 3 cores and 5.2Ghz 5 cores and E-Cores 4.3Ghz, 192GB of RAM @5600Mhz @3600 (chipset limit),

12TB (3x4TB) of NVMe, 17'3 inch 4K 144Hz MiniLED screen, 4x 17'3 ASUS portable USB-C Monitors 240Hz, Creative Sound Blaster G6 Sound Card, Portable 16TB NVMe in TB4 enclosures (8x2TB), Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock gaming mouse, Keychron K3 gaming keyboard with blue switches low profile, Logitech Brio 4K Webcam.

Hand held: ROG Ally with XG Mobile RTX 3080 with Keychron K3 low profile keyboard (Blue Switches) and Razer Hyperspeed V3 mouse and 4TB NVMe upgrade (WDBlack SN850X), with 100W 20000Mah power bank and portable monitor ROG XG17AHP 17'3 inch 240Hz with built in battery, and 518Wh Power station for Camping.

HTPC: 13900KS SP111 5.9Ghz P-Core 4.8Ghz E-Core 1.43V LLC7 (Real Voltage 1.4V) with Supercool Direct Die, RTX 3090 ASUS Strix White with Active Water Block, ASUS Strix Z790-F Motherboard, 2x16GB DDR5 8000Mhz running 7600Mhz CL38, 4x 2TB Samsung 990 Pro NVMes, 3x 360mm EKWB PE White rads 3x 480mm external XE EKWB rads with 2x D5 pumps (single loop) with 21 Uni fans, G5 Odyssey 144Hz 1440p monitor, Keychron K3 slim mechanical keyboard and Basilisk Ultimate mouse, Corsair Elite Wireless headset.

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Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

52c is fine for a ssd, that won't hurt them and is far away from the thermal throttling limit. I wouldn't worry about it.

Coming through again! Thanks.

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900KS SP 109 (125P-79E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC6 1.43V (real voltage 1.305V + - Temps 77-80 P-Cores, 66-68 E-cores)

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8600Mhz CL38 (OC from 8000Mhz CL40)

GPU: RTX MSI 4090 Suprim X with EKWB waterblock

Case: My own case fabricated out of aluminium and wood

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

WiFi: BE202 WiFi 7 Tri-Band card module

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 240Hz Ver. 5120x1440 with G-Sync and Freesync Premium Pro 1008 Firmware Ver, and 1x Electriq USB C 1080p 15'8 inch IPS portable display for temperature and stats, MSI 23'8 144Hz G-Sync

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo with 5 temperature sensors

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY)

Total: 5x pumps and 13x radiators 50x 3000RPM Noctua Industrial fans

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow V3 RGB - Green switches

Sound: Logitech Z680 5.1 THX Certified 505W Speakers

Mouse: Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock

Piano: Yamaha P155

Phone: Oppo Find X5 Pro

Camera: Logitech Brio Pro 4K

VR: Oculus Rift S

External SSD: 256GB Overclocking OS

LaptopMSI Titan GT77HX V13RTX 4090 175W, i9 13980HX OC: P-Cores 5.8Ghz 3 cores and 5.2Ghz 5 cores and E-Cores 4.3Ghz, 192GB of RAM @5600Mhz @3600 (chipset limit),

12TB (3x4TB) of NVMe, 17'3 inch 4K 144Hz MiniLED screen, 4x 17'3 ASUS portable USB-C Monitors 240Hz, Creative Sound Blaster G6 Sound Card, Portable 16TB NVMe in TB4 enclosures (8x2TB), Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock gaming mouse, Keychron K3 gaming keyboard with blue switches low profile, Logitech Brio 4K Webcam.

Hand held: ROG Ally with XG Mobile RTX 3080 with Keychron K3 low profile keyboard (Blue Switches) and Razer Hyperspeed V3 mouse and 4TB NVMe upgrade (WDBlack SN850X), with 100W 20000Mah power bank and portable monitor ROG XG17AHP 17'3 inch 240Hz with built in battery, and 518Wh Power station for Camping.

HTPC: 13900KS SP111 5.9Ghz P-Core 4.8Ghz E-Core 1.43V LLC7 (Real Voltage 1.4V) with Supercool Direct Die, RTX 3090 ASUS Strix White with Active Water Block, ASUS Strix Z790-F Motherboard, 2x16GB DDR5 8000Mhz running 7600Mhz CL38, 4x 2TB Samsung 990 Pro NVMes, 3x 360mm EKWB PE White rads 3x 480mm external XE EKWB rads with 2x D5 pumps (single loop) with 21 Uni fans, G5 Odyssey 144Hz 1440p monitor, Keychron K3 slim mechanical keyboard and Basilisk Ultimate mouse, Corsair Elite Wireless headset.

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13 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Recently bought 1TB and 500GB models of 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSDs.

 

They run bit hot.

 

CrystalDiskMark plays a melody when I open it and sometimes the one that has OS on it is at 52C idling.

 

Is that "normal"?

These are extremely hot NVMe drives. I have the 1tb version as my memory controller was hitting over 100c when doing file transfers according to HWinfo64. I ordered me an EK heatsink for it and temps never get above 72c now on the controller. Here is a before/after screenshot from just running Crystaldiskmark. 

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Just now, Skiiwee29 said:

These are extremely hot NVMe drives. I have the 1tb version as my memory controller was hitting over 100c when doing file transfers according to HWinfo64. I ordered me an EK heatsink for it and temps never get above 72c now on the controller. Here is a before/after screenshot from just running Crystaldiskmark. 

1017196504_AfterHeatsink.PNG.8460e15c66f590183395da528d12473d.PNG

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Yeah, 960 wasn't that hot. I got the Plus version so that could be even hotter. Very helpful answer, thanks a bunch!

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900KS SP 109 (125P-79E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC6 1.43V (real voltage 1.305V + - Temps 77-80 P-Cores, 66-68 E-cores)

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8600Mhz CL38 (OC from 8000Mhz CL40)

GPU: RTX MSI 4090 Suprim X with EKWB waterblock

Case: My own case fabricated out of aluminium and wood

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

WiFi: BE202 WiFi 7 Tri-Band card module

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 240Hz Ver. 5120x1440 with G-Sync and Freesync Premium Pro 1008 Firmware Ver, and 1x Electriq USB C 1080p 15'8 inch IPS portable display for temperature and stats, MSI 23'8 144Hz G-Sync

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo with 5 temperature sensors

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY)

Total: 5x pumps and 13x radiators 50x 3000RPM Noctua Industrial fans

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow V3 RGB - Green switches

Sound: Logitech Z680 5.1 THX Certified 505W Speakers

Mouse: Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock

Piano: Yamaha P155

Phone: Oppo Find X5 Pro

Camera: Logitech Brio Pro 4K

VR: Oculus Rift S

External SSD: 256GB Overclocking OS

LaptopMSI Titan GT77HX V13RTX 4090 175W, i9 13980HX OC: P-Cores 5.8Ghz 3 cores and 5.2Ghz 5 cores and E-Cores 4.3Ghz, 192GB of RAM @5600Mhz @3600 (chipset limit),

12TB (3x4TB) of NVMe, 17'3 inch 4K 144Hz MiniLED screen, 4x 17'3 ASUS portable USB-C Monitors 240Hz, Creative Sound Blaster G6 Sound Card, Portable 16TB NVMe in TB4 enclosures (8x2TB), Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock gaming mouse, Keychron K3 gaming keyboard with blue switches low profile, Logitech Brio 4K Webcam.

Hand held: ROG Ally with XG Mobile RTX 3080 with Keychron K3 low profile keyboard (Blue Switches) and Razer Hyperspeed V3 mouse and 4TB NVMe upgrade (WDBlack SN850X), with 100W 20000Mah power bank and portable monitor ROG XG17AHP 17'3 inch 240Hz with built in battery, and 518Wh Power station for Camping.

HTPC: 13900KS SP111 5.9Ghz P-Core 4.8Ghz E-Core 1.43V LLC7 (Real Voltage 1.4V) with Supercool Direct Die, RTX 3090 ASUS Strix White with Active Water Block, ASUS Strix Z790-F Motherboard, 2x16GB DDR5 8000Mhz running 7600Mhz CL38, 4x 2TB Samsung 990 Pro NVMes, 3x 360mm EKWB PE White rads 3x 480mm external XE EKWB rads with 2x D5 pumps (single loop) with 21 Uni fans, G5 Odyssey 144Hz 1440p monitor, Keychron K3 slim mechanical keyboard and Basilisk Ultimate mouse, Corsair Elite Wireless headset.

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The irony with SSDs is NAND stores data more reliably at high temperatures, but the controller run faster at low temperatures.  So its always a balancing act but generally your data is safer at a higher temperature.

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15 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

The irony with SSDs is NAND stores data more reliably at high temperatures, but the controller run faster at low temperatures.  So its always a balancing act but generally your data is safer at a higher temperature.

This only true for writing due to semiconductors being more conductive with heat. Data retention loss however, accelerates with higher temperature (http://www.ni.com/product-documentation/10126/en/#toc6).

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7 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

This only true for writing due to semiconductors being more conductive with heat. Data retention loss however, accelerates with higher temperature (http://www.ni.com/product-documentation/10126/en/#toc6).

Thus the balancing act and why you want cool idle temps and high writing temps.  Quite the dilemma.

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7 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Thus the balancing act and why you want cool idle temps and high writing temps.  Quite the dilemma.

I'd take idle temps over higher writing temps since I'm still writing to an SSD at a rate so slow, the drive is more likely to be "obsolete" than it is to run out of P/E cycles, where high write temps would help extend. Whereas high storage temps can render flash memory useless within days, at least that's the theory.

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Just now, Mira Yurizaki said:

I'd take idle temps over higher writing temps since I'm still writing to an SSD at a rate so slow, the drive is more likely to be "obsolete" than it is to run out of P/E cycles, where high write temps would help extend. Whereas high storage temps can render flash memory useless within days, at least that's the theory.

True, its why I decided to use the slot on the top of the motherboard with the heatsink for mine.  Its not like I need my boot drive to retain all data for 10 years without ever being rewritten.

I'm also a little wary about using the slot under the motherboard as the cooling there, in my ITX case particularly, is going to be lacking.

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