EVGA 2080ti BLACK Worth it?

[Charizard1996]

Hey everyone, I was wondering if the 2080ti Black edition would be worth it. I'm considering upgrading from my 980ti to a 2080ti and initially I was looking at the 2080ti FTW3 and the MSI Gaming X Trio, but then I noticed the cheaper black edition, a savings of $480 before tax. Does anyone have any on hand experience with this card? I'm wondering why it would be so much cheaper aside from the different coolers. Is the Card like a faulty version of the 2080ti chip with lower fps?

[LukeLinusFanFic]

Nope. It's the exact same thing. I'd get it if it's cheaper. Cooling solution may not be as great, but at that price you could watercool that bad boy (although I doubt you'll feel the need)

 

Edit: what monitor do you have? That card might be an overkill if you're just gaming 1080@60

[dizmo]

EVGA has such a solid warranty I wouldn't even worry about possible defects; you'll be taken care of, and taken care of quickly.

Welcome to the forum

[Charizard1996]

6 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

Nope. It's the exact same thing. I'd get it if it's cheaper. Cooling solution may not be as great, but at that price you could watercool that bad boy (although I doubt you'll feel the need)

 

Edit: what monitor do you have? That card might be an overkill if you're just gaming 1080@60

I have a 2560x1440 IPS 165HZ Gysnc ASUS monitor (forget the name). Would be nice to be playing battlefield 5 on FPS ultra settings 100+FPS. Do you think my cpu and ram would bottleneck the gpu? I have a 5820k overclocked on 4.6ghz and 32gb ram @ 2666 MHZ. I can go up to 4.8 but the voltage increase puts my temperatures around 80C with my noctua NH-D15. I'm just hoping I can overclock this gpu to similar mhz as a the FTW3

[LukeLinusFanFic]

1 minute ago, Charizard1996 said:

I have a 2560x1440 IPS 165HZ Gysnc ASUS monitor (forget the name). Would be nice to be playing battlefield 5 on FPS ultra settings 100+FPS. Do you think my cpu and ram would bottleneck the gpu? I have a 5820k overclocked on 4.6ghz and 32gb ram @ 2666 MHZ. I can go up to 4.8 but the voltage increase puts my temperatures around 80C with my noctua NH-D15. I'm just hoping I can overclock this gpu to similar mhz as a the FTW3

That seems pretty much an ideal display.

CPU and ram are a non issue imo.

About the overclocking though... the 2080ti black uses basically a 2070 cooler, so I doubt you'll be overclocking a whole lot... but at that price delta I wouldn't think twice

[Ankerson]

21 minutes ago, Charizard1996 said:

Hey everyone, I was wondering if the 2080ti Black edition would be worth it. I'm considering upgrading from my 980ti to a 2080ti and initially I was looking at the 2080ti FTW3 and the MSI Gaming X Trio, but then I noticed the cheaper black edition, a savings of $480 before tax. Does anyone have any on hand experience with this card? I'm wondering why it would be so much cheaper aside from the different coolers. Is the Card like a faulty version of the 2080ti chip with lower fps?

 

The Black is the low end model, cooling sucks so there won't be much OCing headroom.

 

They run HOT and they are LOUD.

 

If you get a 2080Ti get one with a good cooler like the XC Ultra or FTW3 or you will regret it.

 

 

[Ankerson]

21 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

Nope. It's the exact same thing. I'd get it if it's cheaper. Cooling solution may not be as great, but at that price you could watercool that bad boy (although I doubt you'll feel the need)

 

Edit: what monitor do you have? That card might be an overkill if you're just gaming 1080@60

 

The FTW3 ULTRA and the others are NOT the same, the FTW3 uses a custom PCB with MUCH better VRMs and Power delivery and cooling, and they are clocked MUCH higher. 

[LukeLinusFanFic]

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

The FTW3 ULTRA and the others are NOT the same, the FTW3 uses a custom PCB with MUCH better VRMs and Power delivery and cooling, and they are clocked MUCH higher. 

Calm down my guy, they are of the same variety, so while the performance may be slightly better, it's still in the same class and doesn't justify 500$. if it was like 100$, maybe, but I'd argue a watercooled, overclocked black could trump the ftw3.

[Ankerson]

5 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

Calm down my guy, they are of the same variety, so while the performance may be slightly better, it's still in the same class and doesn't justify 500$. if it was like 100%, maybe, but I'd argue a watercooled, overclocked black could trump the ftw3.

 

They don't, it's been done and tried, nope, nadda, they are too power limited and the chips won't do it anyway. 

 

The FTW3 Ultra boosts a good bit over 2000 MHz out of the box STOCK.

 

And they OC to well over 2100 normally.

 

You get what you pay for.

[LukeLinusFanFic]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

They don't, it's been done and tried, nope, nadda.

As good an argument as that is, OP is welcome to check the benchmarks.

https://turbofuture.com/computers/EVGA-nVidia-RTX-2080-Ti-Black-Edition-Gaming-Graphics-Card-Review-and-Benchmarks

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_FTW3_Ultra/8.html

(black benchmark is at 1440p). This shows minor improvement at the best.

[Ankerson]

4 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

As good an argument as that is, OP is welcome to check the benchmarks.

https://turbofuture.com/computers/EVGA-nVidia-RTX-2080-Ti-Black-Edition-Gaming-Graphics-Card-Review-and-Benchmarks

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_FTW3_Ultra/8.html

(black benchmark is at 1440p). This shows minor improvement at the best.

 

Not the same due to different testing methods.

 

And my own results on my system are MUCH higher than either one of those, not OCed.

[Charizard1996]

1 minute ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

As good an argument as that is, OP is welcome to check the benchmarks.

https://turbofuture.com/computers/EVGA-nVidia-RTX-2080-Ti-Black-Edition-Gaming-Graphics-Card-Review-and-Benchmarks

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_FTW3_Ultra/8.html

(black benchmark is at 1440p). This shows minor improvement at the best.

Thanks will have a look at this. Honestly if the ftw3 has like 4-5 fps more than the black edition I wouldn't mind. the 500$ difference

[Charizard1996]

Hmmm, interestingly the turbo review shows it getting avg 115fps on GTAV 1440p, while the FTW3 had 187. That doesn't seem right to me. Do you have any forum benchmarks that show both head to head same testing? I can't seem to find any

[Ankerson]

4 minutes ago, Charizard1996 said:

Thanks will have a look at this. Honestly if the ftw3 has like 4-5 fps more than the black edition I wouldn't mind. the 500$ difference

 

It's actually more than that really, not sure what the testers were doing.

 

Look at Jay's Two Cents Video were he actually tested it and knows what he is doing. One of the few around that actually does have a clue.

 

 

[Charizard1996]

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

It's actually more than that really, not sure what the testers were doing.

 

Look at Jay's Two Cents Video were he actually tested it and knows what he is doing.

 

 

I can't find a video of him reviewing the black edition with the same setup. do you have it?

[Ankerson]

11 minutes ago, Charizard1996 said:

I can't find a video of him reviewing the black edition with the same setup. do you have it?

 

He never did the Black, didn't bother.

 

But he has a number of 2080Ti videos.

 

On his channel just search 2080Ti and a bunch will be listed.

 

 

I am still in the top 60 in the world in Superposition 1080P Extreme..... With my Air Cooled 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra.

 

And number 5 here.

[Zeitec]

2 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

It's actually more than that really, not sure what the testers were doing.

 

Look at Jay's Two Cents Video were he actually tested it and knows what he is doing. One of the few around that actually does have a clue.

 

 

Jay is showing the overclocked FTW3 Ultra as around 10% faster than a stock 2080ti. Small problem with that being that the $500 price gap is lie 30% more money (I'm going off of Canadian pricing, because that's the price gap here in Canada and we're the only country I know of outside of the USA that uses the "dollar"), AND the other cards can overclock too which would likely put them within ~5% of the FTW3. So for that card to actually make financial sense, you'd need it to be magically 30% faster. Ain't happening dude. At best it's 15% faster when you OC the FTW3 Ultra to it's limits, and leave the stock cards at stock.

 

Edit: Now I understand your desire to defend your decision to splurge for the high end card. I totally get it. I'm not bashing the card: it's a beast. If you want the best of the best of the best, that card is it and I don't knock anyone for spending a lot more to get a bit more. If you can afford to do that, then good on you. That said, for most people they'd be better off not spending that extra 30% and putting it towards something else. 

[jones177]

10 hours ago, Charizard1996 said:

Hey everyone, I was wondering if the 2080ti Black edition would be worth it. I'm considering upgrading from my 980ti to a 2080ti and initially I was looking at the 2080ti FTW3 and the MSI Gaming X Trio, but then I noticed the cheaper black edition, a savings of $480 before tax. Does anyone have any on hand experience with this card? I'm wondering why it would be so much cheaper aside from the different coolers. Is the Card like a faulty version of the 2080ti chip with lower fps?

I don't have first hand but I do have an EVGA XC and a FTW3. 

The XC is too noizy so the black would be as well. If you game with headphones it would not be as big a problem.

 

These cards are not the same. With the same clocks the FTW3 always wins. Now I consider the XC as a mistake.

 

In benches the FTW3 tops out at 69c and the XC at 85c. The XC does not throttle at 130% power target but it is screaming.

 

Warning. The RTX 2080 ti will bottleneck at 1080p and 1440p with anything less than a 5ghz CPU. With my i7 8700k stock the FTW3 would only draw 70% power at 1080p. With the i7 8086k with 5ghz on all cores it draws power at 124%. My i7 8700k could not do 5ghz so I replaced it with a i7 8086k.

 

I play at 4k and 3840 X 1600 , 60 to 75hz. At these resolutions and refresh rates the bottleneck is gone so it is not an issue for me. My next monitor will be 3840 X 1440 144hz so I need to be ready. 

[Charizard1996]

On 4/1/2019 at 9:36 AM, jones177 said:

I don't have first hand but I do have an EVGA XC and a FTW3. 

The XC is too noizy so the black would be as well. If you game with headphones it would not be as big a problem.

 

These cards are not the same. With the same clocks the FTW3 always wins. Now I consider the XC as a mistake.

 

In benches the FTW3 tops out at 69c and the XC at 85c. The XC does not throttle at 130% power target but it is screaming.

 

Warning. The RTX 2080 ti will bottleneck at 1080p and 1440p with anything less than a 5ghz CPU. With my i7 8700k stock the FTW3 would only draw 70% power at 1080p. With the i7 8086k with 5ghz on all cores it draws power at 124%. My i7 8700k could not do 5ghz so I replaced it with a i7 8086k.

 

I play at 4k and 3840 X 1600 , 60 to 75hz. At these resolutions and refresh rates the bottleneck is gone so it is not an issue for me. My next monitor will be 3840 X 1440 144hz so I need to be ready. 

hmm thanks for the feedback. In a Dilemma then if it's going to bottleneck... the hunt for 165hz max settings at 1440p is on the fence again.

[jones177]

7 hours ago, Charizard1996 said:

hmm thanks for the feedback. In a Dilemma then if it's going to bottleneck... the hunt for 165hz max settings at 1440p is on the fence again.

To me bottlenecking is just a good reason to upgrade and I am so happy to stop using that underperforming i7 8700k.

 

[xg32]

On 3/31/2019 at 9:50 PM, Charizard1996 said:

Hey everyone, I was wondering if the 2080ti Black edition would be worth it. I'm considering upgrading from my 980ti to a 2080ti and initially I was looking at the 2080ti FTW3 and the MSI Gaming X Trio, but then I noticed the cheaper black edition, a savings of $480 before tax. Does anyone have any on hand experience with this card? I'm wondering why it would be so much cheaper aside from the different coolers. Is the Card like a faulty version of the 2080ti chip with lower fps?

you are probably looking at a core clock difference between 1950 vs 1995-2150 between the black and the ftw3, it's an actual difference of about 2-7%, not worth the extra 400dollars unless you are minmaxing imho, and if you are minmaxing, getting an FE then slapping an AIO/putting it under water will be better than the ftw3.

 

The best price:performance is the 2080 ti black, the cooler/bad bin will likely limit you to 1950 core clock.

 

The best overclockers are the founders editions directly from nvidia

 

The only reason to pay 1400-1500usd for a ftw3 hybrid atm is if you don't want to change the cooler yourself or for looks, even still you risk a bad overclocker.

[blueraccoon]

Old thread, but have the Black edition and had the ROG Strix triple before that (which is factory OC'd, similar to the FTW3 performance supposedly). The performance decrease going to the Black is negligible...  I'm getting 2145 mhz OC'd (7700 for memory) - water cooled. I went through 2 of the ASUS cards, both died - without me doing anything to the stock OC settings.  Had a EKWB Vektor water block on it that was sexy AF, but expensive AF too. I gave up after my 2nd card and got the black, with a Corsair Hydro block on it.  Saved a total of about $600 and like I said if there's a difference in speed I couldn't tell you where it is.

 

GPU temp with the Black Edition, playing 90+% load for close to an hour is about 45 - 50 degrees.  Water loop is about 25 to 31 degrees FWIW

[BinaryShadow]

got 2x evga 2080ti black edition, 1 on water soon be both but as I understand it they have a lower power limit and gpu not binned so wont OC as far or as well as the ftw etc. cards

[Jack Foot]

On 4/1/2019 at 1:18 AM, LukeLinusFanFic said:

Calm down my guy, they are of the same variety, so while the performance may be slightly better, it's still in the same class and doesn't justify 500$. if it was like 100$, maybe, but I'd argue a watercooled, overclocked black could trump the ftw3.

I wish I could go back in time and tell you not to bother, this guy is an absolute tool. I’ve seen him on multiple threads on here slamming the black edition, complete idiot and uneducated. I have both cards the FTW 3 and the Black, the black all though the cooling is not as good which is this guys only argument it’s not worth the price difference. They are the same chip and from the same B bin, he has claimed on other threads that the black can’t hit 2000mhz when oc’d.. well actually out of the box it hits 2170mhz I know this because I’ve seen it with my own eyes, unlike this fool who has only seen a single YouTube video because there simply are not to many reviews on the black on YouTube, performance wise the black is a 2080ti founders edition same thing. As for the acoustic which he makes sound like jet engines they are actually very silent even more so than the FE, and the fans are the exact same fans that come on the FTW 3 just one less, they are great fans for low noise they have the E logos all over them and not for some tacky look but actually because the raised bumps cut the wind and make the fans more seilent, with the black I set the fans to 60% and never seen it go higher than 60 degrees. And 60% is still very silent. And I won’t factor it the fact that when I put water cooling on the black which you can do which the money you would save with the price gap between the two and actually still save money going with a black card with water cooling. The water cooled black out preformed and overcooked higher than the FTW 3 with its stock 3 fan cooler, so get the black save the money and buy a water cooler and put it on the black and you will still have saved yourself about $170. And you will have a better performing card. He does not know what he is talking about because he doesn’t have hands on experience where I do, and for both cards running with no special fan curve the FTW 3 only out preformed by a staggering 2%... for about 600$ more. So the black is a amazing option really is. The FTW 3 is a great card but it is not a card that out preformed the Black when it comes to gaming and FPS they are the same the temps will stay lower on a out of the box fan curve, but set you black to 60% fan speed which will not shorten the lifespan by the way and you than have a card preforming at the same fps and same temps and not to much more noise there is a bit more noise of course but the price gap makes it a no brainer. I will happily go into the topic more if he reply’s and will also happily show proof from my personal bench marks that I did myself and will re do them and I will also compare the FTW3 to the Black with a water cooling solution. We will see him quickly fade away from the thread when he realizes he really just bought a more expensive card when he didn’t have to and maybe he just doesn’t have the know how to make a good water loop but I do and can show the Black water cooled getting lower temps and higher clocks than the FTW 3 with its stock cooler which is still about $170CAD more than going with a black and buying a water cooling solution.. I posted this for anyone scrolling this thread curious about the black, Do NOT LISTEN TO THIS FOOL. He simply is uneducated and seems to be in love with his FTW 3 and has a passionate hatred for Black cards not sure why logic isn’t there and he provides no real evidence but I will and I’ll happily do so. Not sure why he hates blacks so much maybe he’s racist, Lol.

On 4/1/2019 at 1:19 AM, Ankerson said:

 

They don't, it's been done and tried, nope, nadda, they are too power limited and the chips won't do it anyway. 

 

The FTW3 Ultra boosts a good bit over 2000 MHz out of the box STOCK.

 

And they OC to well over 2100 normally.

 

You get what you pay for.

I wish I could go back in time and tell you not to bother, this guy is an absolute tool. I’ve seen him on multiple threads on here slamming the black edition, complete idiot and uneducated. I have both cards the FTW 3 and the Black, the black all though the cooling is not as good which is this guys only argument it’s not worth the price difference. They are the same chip and from the same B bin, he has claimed on other threads that the black can’t hit 2000mhz when oc’d.. well actually out of the box it hits 2170mhz I know this because I’ve seen it with my own eyes, unlike this fool who has only seen a single YouTube video because there simply are not to many reviews on the black on YouTube, performance wise the black is a 2080ti founders edition same thing. As for the acoustic which he makes sound like jet engines they are actually very silent even more so than the FE, and the fans are the exact same fans that come on the FTW 3 just one less, they are great fans for low noise they have the E logos all over them and not for some tacky look but actually because the raised bumps cut the wind and make the fans more seilent, with the black I set the fans to 60% and never seen it go higher than 60 degrees. And 60% is still very silent. And I won’t factor it the fact that when I put water cooling on the black which you can do which the money you would save with the price gap between the two and actually still save money going with a black card with water cooling. The water cooled black out preformed and overcooked higher than the FTW 3 with its stock 3 fan cooler, so get the black save the money and buy a water cooler and put it on the black and you will still have saved yourself about $170. And you will have a better performing card. He does not know what he is talking about because he doesn’t have hands on experience where I do, and for both cards running with no special fan curve the FTW 3 only out preformed by a staggering 2%... for about 600$ more. So the black is a amazing option really is. The FTW 3 is a great card but it is not a card that out preformed the Black when it comes to gaming and FPS they are the same the temps will stay lower on a out of the box fan curve, but set you black to 60% fan speed which will not shorten the lifespan by the way and you than have a card preforming at the same fps and same temps and not to much more noise there is a bit more noise of course but the price gap makes it a no brainer. I will happily go into the topic more if he reply’s and will also happily show proof from my personal bench marks that I did myself and will re do them and I will also compare the FTW3 to the Black with a water cooling solution. We will see him quickly fade away from the thread when he realizes he really just bought a more expensive card when he didn’t have to and maybe he just doesn’t have the know how to make a good water loop but I do and can show the Black water cooled getting lower temps and higher clocks than the FTW 3 with its stock cooler which is still about $170CAD more than going with a black and buying a water cooling solution.. I posted this for anyone scrolling this thread curious about the black, Do NOT LISTEN TO THIS FOOL. He simply is uneducated and seems to be in love with his FTW 3 and has a passionate hatred for Black cards not sure why logic isn’t there and he provides no real evidence but I will and I’ll happily do so. Not sure why he hates blacks so much maybe he’s racist, Lol.