From 2022 every new car sold in the EU will be fitted with an automatic speed limiter, assisted braking and lane keeping assistance technology

[The Benjamins]

7 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

aaaaa please no. we need our gas guzzlers in this world. 

why?

 

I get that we want to keep sporty, fast, and fun cars but we can get that with hybrid and electric cars.

[williamcll]

Not like I could ever break 130 Km/h on highways where I live.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

why?

 

I get that we want to keep sporty, fast, and fun cars but we can get that with hybrid and electric cars.

He forgot his /s

 

Tbh, exception with sound. Electric vehicles are more sporty and responsive

[TH3R34P3R]

13 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

why?

 

I get that we want to keep sporty, fast, and fun cars but we can get that with hybrid and electric cars.

cause. pickups. heavy duty diesels are more useful than the rechargeable electric stuff. 

[TH3R34P3R]

12 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

He forgot his /s

 

Tbh, exception with sound. Electric vehicles are more sporty and responsive

yeah... you cant get an electric to sound like a v8 with a supercharger 

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

yeah... you cant get an electric to sound like a v8 with a supercharger 

With enough speakers you can. 

 

You can also make it sound like a Saturn V or an N1 or a Soyuz

[Brooksie359]

4 hours ago, Ethariel01 said:

Well that's the death cry of the car industry in one ill thought out piece of legislation, if all you can ever do regardless is 70 (or if the Hollyrood Idiots get their way up north 40) then what's the point in owning any car that costs more then about 6k brand new.

 

I can just imagine the penny dropping at Ferrari, Porsche, Austin Martin, TVR, Audi etc. that they are going to be seeing the mother of all sales drops in the future.

 

Time to dump those stocks now!

 

 

Luckily I ride 2 wheels, least they have not mentioned neutering those............... yet!

That's what tracks are for. Also you can still play with the fast acceleration as well. 

[Blademaster91]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

With enough speakers you can. 

 

You can also make it sound like a Saturn V or an N1 or a Soyuz

I'd rather not have the fake engine sounds, its bad enough those are in cars and trucks and in many of them you can't turn it off.

 

[Camoxide]

2 hours ago, IntMD said:

Would love to know how this is going to be applied where I live as if it is going to apply to the UK, then it's going to get applied on those sold where I live. We do however have areas with no speed limit (like some parts of the autobahn), but on what most of you would call country roads...

Isle of Man I assume? 

 

Likewise most country roads roads in the mainland use the ‘national speed limit’ which is 60mph for most vehicles. Which is impossible for reach (unless you want to crash).

[leadeater]

19 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

cause. pickups. heavy duty diesels are more useful than the rechargeable electric stuff. 

Other than range and dry weight an electric motor will out strip a V8, turbo or super, in torque. It's even more in favor of the electric motor if you look at usable torque and the torque curves.

 

2016 Ford F250

 

Tesla (Dual Motor)

 

There is a good reason freight trains are diesel electric and not diesel.

[The Benjamins]

39 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

cause. pickups. heavy duty diesels are more useful than the rechargeable electric stuff. 

If a electric truck made the same power and range with the same towing complicity what is the difference besides saving money on fuel?

38 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

yeah... you cant get an electric to sound like a v8 with a supercharger 

Supercharger, yes, V8 no.

 

you can recreate the supercharger sound by using straight gears which makes a gear whine sound. (reverse gear in most cars are straight)

 

 

Here is a upcoming electric truck

https://products.rivian.com/

 

750 HP

Range
Up to 400+ miles*

Acceleration
0-60 in 3 seconds*

Payload
800kg*

Towing Capacity
5,000 kg*

[Drak3]

9 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

If a electric truck made the same power and range with the same towing complicity what is the difference besides saving money on fuel?

You can double the range by adding a second tank.

You can add a generator motor.

You can add a high wattage inverter.

Diesels tend to not have range drop like a rock with heavy towing.

[Ryujin2003]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

"I found your drugs in your car"

"That's an illegal exhaust modification and is exceeding noise limits"

"Your tail light is broken"

 

But... I didn't...

Touche.

 

From my experience, a lot of those other things are found after getting pulled over for speeding. I guess they'll have to be more aggressive with J Walkers, tail lights, and emissions issues.

[duncannah]

5 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

reduce road deaths to 0

Way too optimistic

[ThePD]

So much hate for SUV's and gasoline cars in general in these forums. "With enough speakers you can replicate the sound of a V8 with a supercharger" NO. That is not how this works. You are welcome to drive and invest in electric car technology without forcing everyone to switch to electric. Until there is an electric car that can be charged in the same time that a gasoline car can be refueled, there is already a massive downside to owning an electric car. Gasoline cars don't lose range when driving in the cold, battery packs lose energy from cold environments. 

There is nothing wrong for pushing for electric cars, I think we should. But I also understand that my power grid is primarily powered by coal/natural gas so I would just be passing the emissions to another place.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, ThePD said:

With enough speakers you can replicate the sound of a V8 with a supercharger" NO.

Its a joke.........

Just now, ThePD said:

But I also understand that my power grid is primarily powered by coal/natural gas so I would just be passing the emissions to another place.

Except these sources are more efficient...... Also people here also really want tl move away from thise aswell. 

 

1 minute ago, ThePD said:

Gasoline cars don't lose range when driving in the cold, battery packs lose energy from cold environments. 

Not really, their voltage drops. Which yes results in less range, but there is a small difference.

 

 

I mean, in the end i just want the end of personal vehicles as a neccesity. Just have people take trains.

[ThePD]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

I mean, in the end i just want the end of personal vehicles as a neccesity. Just have people take trains.

I have been pushing for train development in my state because it would open up dramatic amounts of opportunity for people in my area. Without the train I am forced to use my gasoline car instead, and given the climate of my region, I have an SUV. 

Politicians ultimately stop the development of the trains in my area even though there is a slowly growing demand for it. I want the Coal/Natural Gas power plants replaced with greener solutions, but I also know that this idea of "nobody has personal veichles" is never going to happen because humans are extremely possessive of the things they own.

[The Benjamins]

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You can double the range by adding a second tank.

You can add a generator motor.

You can add a high wattage inverter.

Diesels tend to not have range drop like a rock with heavy towing.

1. fair point, but in theory you could add a second battery pack

2. you could use the batter or bring a hydrogen generator (keeping it eco friendly)

3. EV systems can have this too.

4. their range drops, they can go from 20 MPG to 5MPG. (IDK which would drop more)

 

but my point/question is if a EV truck matches all your needs and has lower cost per mile would you still not buy it?

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, ThePD said:

Politicians ultimately stop the development of the trains in my area even though there is a slowly growing demand for it. I want the Coal/Natural Gas power plants replaced with greener solutions, but I also know that this idea of "nobody has personal veichles" is never going to happen because humans are extremely possessive of the things they own.

Well my goal would be a situation like Asia where you can get anywhere using trains instead of cars. Cars will probably stick around, but if ownership makes little to no sense people will stop using them.

 

Just look at Japan. You dont really need a car there. (Or at least from what i can tell)

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

but in theory you could add a second battery pack

Takes up too much room.

 

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

their range drops, they can go from 20 MPG to 5MPG. (IDK which would drop more)

The only modern trucks that do this that dramatically are the EcoBust F150 and towing over listed capacity. Otherwise you might see a 20MPG truck dropping to 16, whereas we've seen electrics drop by half.

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

EV systems can have this too

At the cost of range.

 

5 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

you could use the batter or bring a hydrogen generator (keeping it eco friendly)

Either at the cost of range or the cost of size.

[suits]

#ripautobahn2022

[suits]

1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

why?

 

I get that we want to keep sporty, fast, and fun cars but we can get that with hybrid and electric cars.

You can't work on electric cars, there are billions and billions of dollars spent on car enthusiasts, not to mention the tons of car shops that will go out of business. 

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

-snip-.

Good thing Trains can in most cases replace trucks

 

While electric trucks arent great for long range transport. That is sonethibg electric trains can take care of.

[DangeorusToast]

6 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

You can't force people to live. Some people just wanna live ya know?

 

 

[flibberdipper]

Thankfully I'm not an EU fag, but honestly the only thing I'm hating about this is the speed limiter. Fuck that shit lmao