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Music Industry Sues Charter For Failing to Disconnect Pirates' Internet Service

12 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Who even downloads music anymore? Everyone just uses Spotify or Youtube.

Downloading some music as I write this ... because the original CD is too scratched up to do a proper rip. 

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Honestly OP you have been extremely selective with your highlighting here.

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2 hours ago, Ithanul said:

Actually, the ISPs have to comply with the DMCA notices if they want to keep certain protections from infringement lawsuits.

 

Probably why the RIAA is bringing up money into the whole deal.  They want to make it seem the ISP is gaining some short of financial benefit which in turn the ISP loses protection from the DMCA.

Yeah. Fairly recently a ISP (can't remember which one) lost a lawsuit from the RIAA for refusing to send notices and disconnect users that the RIAA claimed (with no proof beyond an IP address) were pirating music. The ISP was basically telling the lobbying groups to eat a dick and sticking up for their customers and were still forced to pay the RIAA.

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These are the kind of people who think that hackers can hack anything with an IP, and that you can get a virus on a iPhone, or that jailbreaking is illegal, or they keep their laptops plugged in even if their battery is 100%, my point is, they’re very naive and would make up their own knowledge about computers and believe them as facts. They are probably the people that complain about why they didn’t use the same Xbox they released from almost 2 decades ago today. If they don’t have evidence then the claim isn’t valid, higher speeds doesn’t mean they’re supporting pirating, but actually supporting the consumers and giving them a quality connection.

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I have 512k of internet and pirate so it's not like you need a 10Gbps connection to do that lmao

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2 hours ago, S w a t s o n said:

As much as these guys can go suck a dick, I do not think the argument is that the speed itself is the problem. If you read the whole paragraph it's clear they mean that charter just never took actions against people that were pirating. Obviously having higher speed internet makes it more viable to pirate large amounts of content but that does apply to every ISP

They've basically complained that charter is making money by upselling to pirates that want faster speeds to pirate. 

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"For those account holders and subscribers who wanted to download files illegally at faster speeds, Charter obliged them in exchange for higher rates. In other words, the greater the bandwidth its subscribers required for pirating content, the more money Charter made," the complaint said.

 

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Uh... yeah. I DECIDED to subscribe to Spectrum... "because I had a choice"...

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9 hours ago, handymanshandle said:

Guess it's time to go back to DSL because big brother RIAA can't believe that no one wants to pay for their shitty music.

I just use Apple Music / Spotify. Way better business model and you're not pirating. 

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5 hours ago, floofer said:

I just use Apple Music / Spotify. Way better business model and you're not pirating. 

If you can use them... I live in Central Europe, in a modern country, the one people coinsider as first world country. It's also year 2019. And Spotify is not available in my country. Been trying for like 10 years and it just keeps saying the same shit, "not available in your country". And then everyone is shocked I may download an MP3 here and there. I also like to physically own things, especially things like music that I consume regularly, repeatedly and in many places. I don't want to burn my data plan and battery on a phone just to listen a damn music in my car because I need to hook it to a car stereo this way. It's retarded.

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8 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

If you can use them... I live in Central Europe, in a modern country, the one people coinsider as first world country. It's also year 2019. And Spotify is not available in my country. Been trying for like 10 years and it just keeps saying the same shit, "not available in your country". And then everyone is shocked I may download an MP3 here and there. I also like to physically own things, especially things like music that I consume regularly, repeatedly and in many places. I don't want to burn my data plan and battery on a phone just to listen a damn music in my car because I need to hook it to a car stereo this way. It's retarded.

Just use a VPN to download Spotify/Apple Music - don't even need one on iOS, just change region. Can download songs easy off them. 

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1 hour ago, floofer said:

Just use a VPN to download Spotify/Apple Music - don't even need one on iOS, just change region. Can download songs easy off them. 

Why would I go out of my way to fake so that their poss product/service would work? Do they want my money or are they just too much of a shit company to adapt to, I don't know, customers?

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So now let us now sue Charle Babbage's Family for letting Charles Babbage invent the computer because of digital piracy came into existence and if I go little of topic let's sue him not only for that but also for bringing up a new type of criminals know as cyber criminals ?? Now these companies seem to act like kids or rather a grown up but still having a mind of elementary school kid.

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Quick someone sue Charter so they are forced by law to enable piracy.

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20 hours ago, Derangel said:

Yeah. Fairly recently a ISP (can't remember which one) lost a lawsuit from the RIAA for refusing to send notices and disconnect users that the RIAA claimed (with no proof beyond an IP address) were pirating music. The ISP was basically telling the lobbying groups to eat a dick and sticking up for their customers and were still forced to pay the RIAA.

You maybe thinking of the case filed agaisnt Cox Communication where 25 million fine was thrown out, but the Court concluded that Cox lost their safe harbor protection from the DMCA.

https://torrentfreak.com/appeals-court-throws-out-25-million-piracy-verdict-against-cox-doesnt-reinstate-safe-harbor-180201/

 

The concerning bit:

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“Cox failed to qualify for the DMCA safe harbor because it failed to implement its policy in any consistent or meaningful way — leaving it essentially with no policy,” Judge Motz writes.

 

I get a feeling the DMCA in the coming years is going to get an overhaul and not the good kind of one either.

 

This case agaisnt Charter is not really new for the RIAA and MPAA.  Even last year, both been going after a lot of the smaller ISPs as they now shifted from targeting individual offenders to going after the ISPs instead.  

As Grande in Texas was trageted as well by them:  https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-cox-ruling-shows-that-grande-can-be-liable-for-piracy-too-180207/https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2018/09/05/grande-communications-is-fighting-the-recording-industrys-demand-that-isps-banish-internet-users-suspected-of-illegal-downloads

And, Bright House:  https://torrentfreak.com/music-companies-sue-isp-bright-house-for-failing-to-disconnect-pirates-190325/

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4 hours ago, Ithanul said:

You maybe thinking of the case filed agaisnt Cox Communication where 25 million fine was thrown out, but the Court concluded that Cox lost their safe harbor protection from the DMCA.

https://torrentfreak.com/appeals-court-throws-out-25-million-piracy-verdict-against-cox-doesnt-reinstate-safe-harbor-180201/

 

The concerning bit:

 

I get a feeling the DMCA in the coming years is going to get an overhaul and not the good kind of one either.

 

This case agaisnt Charter is not really new for the RIAA and MPAA.  Even last year, both been going after a lot of the smaller ISPs as they now shifted from targeting individual offenders to going after the ISPs instead.  

As Grande in Texas was trageted as well by them:  https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-cox-ruling-shows-that-grande-can-be-liable-for-piracy-too-180207/https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2018/09/05/grande-communications-is-fighting-the-recording-industrys-demand-that-isps-banish-internet-users-suspected-of-illegal-downloads

And, Bright House:  https://torrentfreak.com/music-companies-sue-isp-bright-house-for-failing-to-disconnect-pirates-190325/

The DMCA won't get an overhaul until the industries that benefit from it stop lobbying to keep it around and if it did the new thing would end up being even more in favor of the lobby groups. The DMCA needed to be abolished and new laws written 20 years ago, but the lobby groups bribe politicians to do what they want and these industries would rather force people to deal with antiquated regulations and ideas that do not belong in the digital age.

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25 minutes ago, Derangel said:

The DMCA won't get an overhaul until the industries that benefit from it stop lobbying to keep it around and if it did the new thing would end up being even more in favor of the lobby groups. The DMCA needed to be abolished and new laws written 20 years ago, but the lobby groups bribe politicians to do what they want and these industries would rather force people to deal with antiquated regulations and ideas that do not belong in the digital age.

Hence, the "not the good kind of one either" on the end of my sentence.

 

DMCA got lobbied by the music/movie industry.  At most, it be the same industry lobbying for it to be updated to put harsher limitations on ISPs and/or online plateforms.

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On 3/26/2019 at 5:17 PM, Brooksie359 said:

I was literally thinking the same thing. I have rented movies from a ton of different platforms like that. I used to use iTunes and you can easily pay for the music you want just like you can with steam. Honestly for the longest time if I wanted to listen to music at home I would simply play music on YouTube while I do stuff. Now i have spotify premium for the sole purpose of being able to play a large playlist at work to drown out my coworkers. I would say there are plenty of ways to get music and movies legally. 

Problem is most places dont have unlimited mobile data, plus its more convenient have it  stored locally without any form of DRM...

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1 hour ago, jagdtigger said:

Problem is most places dont have unlimited mobile data, plus its more convenient have it  stored locally without any form of DRM...

It's also more convenient for me to get everything I want. That doesn't mean I'm entitled to everything i want. I still have to abide by the restrictions put in place by the owner of the things I want.

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1 hour ago, 79wjd said:

It's also more convenient for me to get everything I want. That doesn't mean I'm entitled to everything i want. I still have to abide by the restrictions put in place by the owner of the things I want.

If they want our money they better move on and forget about drm.....

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On 3/26/2019 at 12:47 PM, maartendc said:

Can anyone please tell these people it is not 1999 anymore? Who even downloads music anymore? Everyone just uses Spotify or Youtube.

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Also Spotify is missing a lot of stuff, if you always used Spotify you'll never notice.

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