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10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes

 

These numbers dont mean anything to actual amps they can push because at max output, they produce silly amounts of heat at that point that isnt feasible on a motherboard. They are comparitive though

 

Btw the Carbon doesnt have 60A mosfets

aight thanks for all the info you've gave me these past few weeks. this might be my final question.image.png.a5fe3d9a5203fa4cb92a89a084465f08.png Is it okay if I use the SATA6G_3 or 4 and not the Sata6G_1 and 2? the 1 and 2 kinda has an awkward place and seems annoying to cable manage. 

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52 minutes ago, Tenma White said:

 Is it okay if I use the SATA6G_3 or 4 and not the Sata6G_1 and 2? the 1 and 2 kinda has an awkward place and seems annoying to cable manage

Check the board manual, sometimes ports are disabled when you use the M.2 slot.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Check the board manual, sometimes ports are disabled when you use the M.2 slot.

I can't find anything about it in the manual. But anyways all of them has the same speeds or something right?

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28 minutes ago, Tenma White said:

I can't find anything about it in the manual. But anyways all of them has the same speeds or something right?

Yes, all 6Gbps. I dont think there are slower ones on modern boards you'd want to buy anyway

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes, all 6Gbps. I dont think there are slower ones on modern boards you'd want to buy anyway

Aight thanks. All I need now is to decide on a PSU. 

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9 minutes ago, johnsmith101 said:

I honestly don't Really see the point of this list. 

For me it basically says, expensive boards are expensive and cheap boards are cheap. 

The thing I wanna know is, is the expensive board really good quality or is it actually shit? 

What you said tells me you havent looked it through. You cant just focus on chipsets that are expensive as a whole like X570.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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8 hours ago, johnsmith101 said:

is the expensive board really good quality or is it actually shit? 

You didn't bother to note what specific things you're trying to measure.  This list measures VRM ( from the perspective of "facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems" to quote Luke's statement at the top of the list, something you should have already read...), so if the board makes it to a high tier, it has superior VRM.  The end.

 

If you want someone to detail line by line all the features and qualities one could possibly hope to measure about that product, go look at a review of the motherboard... Duh.

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How good is the MSI Z390 pro carbon for a i9 9900k at stock?  no budget for anything better.

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4 hours ago, Owlcat said:

How good is the MSI Z390 pro carbon for a i9 9900k at stock?  no budget for anything better.

it's acceptable

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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11 hours ago, Owlcat said:

no budget for anything better.

In US Market the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X has the same tier VRM for a lot less.  Unless you need some other feature you may actually have other options well within that budget since a pro carbon right now is about a $194 board.

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4 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

In US Market the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X has the same tier VRM for a lot less. 

that's also a reason why I took over, because the mosfets (same number of them powering the CPU cores on the Gaming X and Gaming Pro Carbon) are just straight up better on the Carbon

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 hour ago, LogicWeasel said:

In US Market the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X has the same tier VRM for a lot less.  Unless you need some other feature you may actually have other options well within that budget since a pro carbon right now is about a $194 board.

I don't live in the US, but anyway i found a gigabyte z390 aorus pro just slightly more expensive than the pro carbon so i guess i'll just buy that one instead.

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On 12/1/2019 at 1:52 PM, Jurrunio said:

Get a PCIe sound card, if not external USB ones. ALC887 is in theory worse than ALC1220 but they are nothing compared to even internal sound cards

Hi Jurrunio, your posts here have been excellent. Factual and clear. Thank you. I have decided to forgo the MSI B450 carbon or x570 with fan to get the Tomahawk Max and a pci-e (or usb) sound card. Do you have a favourite model?  Many of the Creative and Asus I found on search appear to be very old models.  Amazon has some sort of 20% off coupon going today, so I am ready to get one.  Thanks in advance!

On 12/1/2019 at 1:52 PM, Jurrunio said:

 

B450 works with 1st gen to 3rd gen CPUs while X570 only works with 2nd and 3rd gen

 

cheapest will be X570-P, if you don't mind the $100 board-like rear I/O

 

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7 minutes ago, Cleotus said:

Hi Jurrunio, your posts here have been excellent. Factual and clear. Thank you. I have decided to forgo the MSI B450 carbon or x570 with fan to get the Tomahawk Max and a pci-e (or usb) sound card. Do you have a favourite model?  Many of the Creative and Asus I found on search appear to be very old models.  Amazon has some sort of 20% off coupon going today, so I am ready to get one.  Thanks in advance!

 

dont know much about sound cards (headphone bottleneck I guess?), sorry

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:
 

dont know much about sound cards (headphone bottleneck I guess?), sorry

So you are ok with basic chips like the ageing Realtek 892 on the Tomahawk and similar boards?  It actually just struck me that I can use my Focusrite Scarlett USB audio interface as a sound card, which would be an improvement. It seems the Realtek 8111H LAN should be fine until I upgrade to 10GB card someday, probably several years in the future.

 

Thanks again for helping everyone to focus more on the VRMs and I/O as everything else can be solved with additional hardware, but those two things are fixed (well sure, you could get a pci-e card for more USB ports, but who wants to do that?)

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6 minutes ago, Cleotus said:

So you are ok with basic chips like the ageing Realtek 892 on the Tomahawk and similar boards?  It actually just struck me that I can use my Focusrite Scarlett USB audio interface as a sound card, which would be an improvement. It seems the Realtek 8111H LAN should be fine until I upgrade to 10GB card someday, probably several years in the future.

I cant hear any difference between that and the ALC1220, guess I need a surround sound setup for that

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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On 3/20/2019 at 12:43 PM, LukeSavenije said:

newer version can be found here:

 

Credit to:@VegetableStu @Jurrunio @GoldenLag

 

The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include modern motherboards for both Intel and AMD chips From Asus, Asrock, Biostar EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI, NZXT and Supermicro (chipsets will be listed). We’ll include the recommended chips we would do with the boards.

 

For advanced users: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Smj5dh97n32wJqm5dkdDcQt8ID7vH52-lKzaaXUUQx8/edit?usp=sharing

 

AMD (AM4 Althlon 2xx, Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, Ryzen 9)

All current draw figures are based on Prime95 small FFT with AVX unless otherwise specified, in other words the worst case scenario. Only the top end SKU of CPUs in the same generation and core/thread count configuration is named, others share the same rating. Zen scales down frequency and voltage according to EDC (current limit) and TDC (thermal limit) settings of the motherboard so in theory you won’t cook the VRM of any board at stock, you just lose frequency.

 

AM4 (Athlon 2xx, Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, Ryzen 9)

Tier S 300A current draw on little ambient airflow (i.e below a big air cooler in a well-ventilated case), maxed out 3950X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 Hero

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Xtreme

MSI: X570 Godlike

 

Tier S- 250A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 Strix-E, Pro WS Ace, Impact, ITX

Asrock: X570 Taichi, Phantom Gaming X, Creator

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Master

MSI: X570 Creation, Ace, Unify

 

Tier A 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3950X on ambient cooling, 2700x on LN2

Asus: X570 Strix-F, TUF Plus, Prime Pro, Prime-P, X470 Crosshair VII Hero, X370 Crosshair VI Extreme

Asrock: X570 ITX/TB3, X470 Taichi (Ultimate), X370 Taichi, Professional Gaming

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Ultra, Pro (ATX), X470 Gaming 7

MSI: X470 M7 AC

 

Tier B 160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X, 3950x at 1.3V on ambient cooling, maxed out 1800X on LN2

Asus: X470 Strix-F, X370 Crosshair VI Hero, Strix-F

Biostar: X570 GT8, X470 GT8, X370 GT7

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Elite, ITX

 

Tier C 125A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2700X, 3900x at 1.3V on ambient cooling (P95)

Asus: X470 Strix-I, B450 Strix-I, X370 Prime Pro

Asrock: X570 Extreme4, Steel Legend, Pro4 (ATX & mATX), Phantom K4

Gigabyte: X570 UD, Gaming X, X370 Gaming K7, Gaming 5

MSI: X570 Gaming Pro Carbon, !X470 Gaming Pro Carbon, !B450 Gaming Pro Carbon, Tomahawk (& Max), Gaming Plus ATX (& Max), A Pro (& Max), Mortar (& Max), Gaming Plus mATX, Bazooka Plus, Gaming Plus ITX, X370 M7 ACK, XPower Titanium

 

Tier D 100A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1800X and 3700X, a tad more than maxed out 2600X, maxed out 2700X in ambient cooling (Cinebench R15)

Asus: X470 Prime Pro, B450 TUF Pro, Strix-E, X370 Strix-I, B350 Strix-I

Asrock: X470 Master SLI, K4, ITX, !B450 K4, Steel Legend, ITX

Gigabyte: X470 Gaming 5, Ultra Gaming, B450 Aorus Pro (ATX), Aorus Elite

MSI: X570 A-Pro, Gaming Plus, Edge, !X470 Gaming Plus, Gaming Pro, B450 Pro-VDH (& Max & V2), Bazooka (& V2), X370 Gaming Pro Carbon, Krait Gaming, SLI Plus, Gaming Plus, Gaming Pro, B350 Gaming Pro Carbon, Krait Gaming

 

Tier E 75A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1600X and 3600X, a bit more than maxed out 2500X

Asus: X470 TUF Plus, B450 Strix-F, TUF Plus, Prime Plus, X370 Prime-A, B350 Strix-F, Prime Plus, TUF Plus

Asrock: X470 Master SLI, K4, B450 K4, Steel Legend, Pro4, M/AC, HDV, X370 Gaming X, Killer SLI, mITX, K4, Pro4, B350 mITX, Pro4, K4, HDV, AB350M

Biostar: X470 GTA, GTQ, GTN, X370 GT5, GT3, B350 GT5, GT3, GTN

Gigabyte: B450 Aorus M, Gaming X, DS3H, ITX X370 Gaming K5, K3, 3, Gaming, DS3H, !B350 Gaming 3, Gaming, DASH, DS3H, AB350N Gaming-WiFi

MSI: B450 Pro-M2 (& Max) B350 Gaming Plus, Tomahawk, PC Mate, Bazooka, Mortar, Pro-VDH, Pro-VH Plus, Pro-VD Plus

 

Tier F 50A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1300X

Asus: B450 Prime-K, Prime-A, B350 Prime-A, Prime-E, Prime-K

Asrock: B450 HDV R4.0, B350 HDV R3.0, HDV R4.0

Biostar: X570GT, B350 B45M2, HiFi B350S1, ET2

Gigabyte: B350 D3H, D3V, HD3, DS2

MSI: B450 Pro-M2 V2, B350 Gaming Pro

 

Tier H2O Liquid cooled only VRM, terrible if cooled only with air, tier S if liquid cooled

Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Formula

Asrock: X570 Aqua

 

Tier W Workstation features, can appear here and above tiers

Asus: X570 Pro WS Ace (ECC certification)

Asrock rack: X570 D2I, D4U-2L2T, X470 D4U (ECC cert + KVM switch), D4U2-2T (ECC cert + KVM switch)

 

AMD (TR4, Threadripper)

 

Tier LN2 700A current draw under mist of liquid nitrogen and high RPM fan (ambient air? unrealistic), maxed out 2990WX under an awful lot of liquid nitrogen

Asus: Zenith Extreme Alpha

MSI: Creation

 

Tier S 500A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out (1.35v) 2990WX on ambient cooling (P95), 2970WX on liquid nitrogen

Asus: Zenith Extreme Alpha

MSI: Creation

 

Tier A 350A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2970WX on ambient cooling (P95), 2990WX limited to 1.175v (P95)

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme

 

Tier B 300A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2970WX on ambient cooling (Cinebench R20)

Asus: Zenith Extreme with cooling kit

 

Tier C 250A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2950X on ambient cooling, 2970WX limited to 1.15v (P95)

Asus: Zenith Extreme

MSI: Gaming Pro Carbon AC, SLI Plus

 

Tier D 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2920X and 1950X on ambient cooling

Asus: Strix-E, Prime-A

Asrock: Taichi (mATX & ATX), Professional Gaming

Gigabyte: Gaming 7, Designare EX, Aorus Pro

 

Tier E 150A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1920X on ambient cooling

Asrock: Phantom 6

 

Intel (1151 v2, 2066)
 

Tier S Extreme overclocking (i7oc, i9oc)

Asus: Maximus XI extreme, Maximus X extreme, Rampage VI Apex, Rampage VI, Maximus XI Gene, Maximus X Apex, Maximus XI Apex

EVGA: Dark

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme (WaterForce), x299-aorus gaming 9

MSI: MEG Godlike, MEG creation

 

Tier A High-end gaming (i5oc, i7oc, i9oc)

Asrock: Taichi (ultimate) (xe), x299-Extreme4, Phantom Gaming 9, x299-fatal1ty (xe)

EVGA: FTW, Classified K, Micro

Gigabyte: Designare, Aorus Master, z390-Aorus Ultra, z390-Aorus Pro, z390-Aorus Elite, Aorus Gaming 7, x299-gaming 7 (pro)

MSI: M7, MEG ACE

 

Tier B Mainstream gaming (i5oc, i7oc)

Asus: zxxx-Strix, x299-strix, Maximus XI Formula/Hero/Code, Maximus X Formula/Hero/Code, zxxx-Prime-A, X299-TUF, X299-Prime Deluxe

Asrock: Phantom Gaming ITX/6/atx-ac/, zxxx-Fatal1ty, z370/z390-Extreme4
Biostar: Z370GT6

Gigabyte: z390-Gaming SLI/plus/m gaming, Gaming 5, x299-aorus gaming 3 (pro), x299-aorus ultra gaming, x299-aorus ultra gaming pro

MSI: zzxx-Pro Carbon, Edge, MPG, M5, Krait, x299-sli plus

NZXT: N7

 

Tier C Value gaming (i3, i5, i7)

Asus: hxxx-Strix, bxxx-Strix

Asrock: zxxx-Pro4, Phantom Gaming 4, ATX/ac, Killer/SLI, hxxx-fatal1ty, bxxx-fatal1ty, Bxxx-Pro4

Gigabyte: Gaming 3, UD4, z390-UD

MSI: Tomahawk, Mortar, Gaming Pro, bazooka, hxxx-pro carbon, Gaming Pro, Raider, zxxx-SLI plus

 

Tier D Basic (pentium, celeron, i3, i5)

Asus: TUF, Prime-P, Prime-Plus, Prime-C

Asrock: hxxx-Pro4, HDV, DGS, HDVP

EVGA: Stinger

Gigabyte: D3, XP, HD3, DS3H, N-wifi, s2p, n, m h, d3, S2, DS2V, HD2

MSI: A-Pro, PC-pro, Gaming Plus, Pro-VDH, Pro-VD, Pro-VH, Pro-D, Pro-VHL, Pro-VL

 

Tier W: Workstation (i7, i9)

Asus: WS Pro, WS Sage

Supermicro: CGW-O


 

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Hardwareluxx.de: VRM parts table (AM4 B350/X370/B450/X470)

 

/u/CR1318 on reddit: Motherboard Tier List

 

Tweaktown: biostar x370gt7; biostar x370gtn gaming; biostar a320mh pro gaming

 

Buildzoid: Gigabyte's Z390 lineup; Asrock X470 Master SLI; Asrock AB350M Pro 4, AB350 Pro 4 and AB350 Gaming K4; ASUS Prime X470-Pro; Asrock X370 Taichi; MSI X470 Gaming Plus; MSI B450M Mortar Titanium; Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Xtreme; ASUS Maximus XI Apex; Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra; MSI MEG X399 Creation; Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro Wifi; ASUS TUF B450M-Pro Gaming; ASUS TUF B450M-Pro Gaming; Asrock X470 Master SLI / Gaming K4; "Asrock X470 Master SLI VRM temperature sensing is broken"; EVGA Z370 Micro; Gigabyte B450M Gaming; EVGA Z390 FTW; Gigabyte X370 Gaming K5; Asrock X570 Pro4; Asus X570 Strix-E; Gigabyte x570; MSI x570; Asrock x570; Asus x570; Asus X570 Prime-P; Asus X570 Strix-F; Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra; Gigabyte X570 Gaming X;

 

GN (Buidzoid): Best Motherboards for AMD Ryzen 2018 - AM4 X470 & B450; Best Z390 Motherboards for VRMs, 10Gb LAN, Mini-ITX, Micro-ATX (2018); Best AM4 Motherboards for Overclocking (X370 & B350); EVGA X299 DARK; MSI Z390 Godlike; ASUS Maximus XI Hero; ASUS Crosshair VI Hero X370; ASUS X399 Zenith Extreme; EVGA X299 DARK

 

Bitwit: Biostar Racing X370 GTN

 

Sebelas Hardware: Biostar Racing X370 GT3

 

hardwareinside.de: biostar-racing x370gt5

 

play3r.net: biostar racing x370gt5

 

back2gaming.com: biostar racing b350gt5

 

Proclockers: biostar h310mhd pro

 

Are there any other mb i can combine with 9900k? 

CPU - AMD 5800X , Motherboard - ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING , Memory  - G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 ,

GPU - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti MSI SUPRIM X 12G,  Case - 4000D AIRFLOW Tempered Glass Mid - Tower ATX Case - Black ,

Storage - Samsung 970 EvoPlus 500GB - Samsung 870 EVO 1TB + 6TB HDD,

PSU - Corsair HX1000 , Display -  ASUS TUF Gaming VG27A 165HZ + Dell 24 UltraSharp Monitor , Cooling - Noctua NH-D15 Black , 

Keyboard - Razer Stalker , Mouse - Logitec G502 Wireless , Operating System - Win 10 Pro , 

Sound - Logitech Z906 5.1 THX Surround Sound Speaker System

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Hello
Can you tell me which motherboard is stable on powerful processors
like
Ryzen 5 3600

ryzen 5 3600x
Ryzen 7 3700x

the b450 aorus elite

the b450 gaming plus max

that's what i get in my contry available Because we don't have many models of mb in my country

and our pc parts prices is somewhat expensive

with the price of gaming plus max i can get a tomahawk max but we don't have it now
And also tell me which is better for stability, overclocking, vrm and cooling in vrm
i mean what is the maximum cpu that can run it without temperatures problems
sorry for my little bad english

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@M.R_KING gaming plus max is better for performance. Stability depends on software so keeping those updated matters, not the board itself (but includes the board's BIOS, which is its software).

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Hi all.

 

In list motherboard from MSI have different category but all MB have the same VRM. I writing about Z370 Krait Gaming, Z370 Tomahawk, Z370 SLI Plus

 

Personally, I have Z370 SLI Plus. Information I take from https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/lga-1151-mainboard-vrm-liste.1175784/

 

 

Qestion is Z370 SLI Plus Tier C or Tier B ?

Thanks.  

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22 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

@M.R_KING gaming plus max is better for performance. Stability depends on software so keeping those updated matters, not the board itself (but includes the board's BIOS, which is its software).

what do you mean by software؟؟؟

you mean the power of motherboard of handling the cpu

or you mean updating the bios when updates coming

or what؟؟؟

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Just now, M.R_KING said:

what do you mean by software؟؟؟

you mean the power of motherboard of handling the cpu

or you mean updating the bios when updates coming

or what؟؟؟

and can i run ryzen 7 3700x on b450 gaming plus max and overclock it

or the maximum is ryzen 5 3600 with overclocking؟؟؟

and if you recommend me the b450 gaming plus max

so the b450 aorus elite is bad or what؟؟؟

 

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10 hours ago, M.R_KING said:

what do you mean by software؟؟؟

you asked about stability, that depends on the software, like the bios (which is the software for the board essentially.).

10 hours ago, M.R_KING said:

and can i run ryzen 7 3700x on b450 gaming plus max and overclock it

the board will handle it just fine, though ryzen does not have a bug headroom for overdclocking, enable pbo and then focus on memory overclocking.

10 hours ago, M.R_KING said:

so the b450 aorus elite is bad or what؟؟؟

it's worse than the gaming plus.

 

also quick note.

this is the new list, so check it rather than this list.

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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13 minutes ago, M.R_KING said:

what do you mean by software؟؟؟

BIOS and drivers. Dont use "monitoring" software like NZXT CAM or Asus Armour Crate if you can help it as well

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

you asked about stability, that depends on the software, like the bios (which is the software for the board essentially.).

the board will handle it just fine, though ryzen does not have a bug headroom for overdclocking, enable pbo and then focus on memory overclocking.

it's worse than the gaming plus.

 

also quick note.

this is the new list, so check it rather than this list.

yes i'm checking and asking on the new tier list

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