[OLD] PSU Tier List 3.0 (Legacy)

[FALC0N]

 

8 hours ago, lalaldu said:

Hello, should i swap my 6+ year old s12ii 520? I have ryzen 5 2600, 2x8GB 3200 ram, HD5850 atm, getting rx 5500/5600 or gtx 1660/super

 

some options:

corsair tx550m 71€
nzxt e500 74€
SeaSonic CORE-GM-500 75€
bitfenix whisper m 450 78€
Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 82€
seasonic focus plus 550 gold 85€
seasonic focus gx 550 90€
corsair rm550x 98€

 

Not necessarily.  S12II 520 shouldn't have any trouble with that system.  If you have better things to spend that money on, I would roll with the S12II.  If money is no object, then go ahead and upgrade.  

 

 

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

1 hour ago, FALC0N said:

Not necessarily.  S12II 520 shouldn't have any trouble with that system.  If you have better things to spend that money on, I would roll with the S12II.  If money is no object, then go ahead and upgrade.  

you do realize that whatever you're going to tell me about the s12ii, that about all of these would blow it out of the water, right?

[tyson.b]

On 10/8/2019 at 10:12 PM, LukeSavenije said:

i don't do that

 

i tiered it down because it's a 9 year old platform, uses group regulation, lacks 12v undervoltage protection and I'm seriously concerned about your 5v rail with that config

 

where did you even conclude that from?

You're "seriously concerned with my 5v rail" with 3 ssds and an rgb lighting kit? Do you not know that an SSD takes maybe 2w of power over a time period of an hour? That's 6 watts for all of my SSDs, and maybe an additional 10w for all the rgb lighting, which I highly doubt anyways.

 

Nobody cares if it is a nine year old platform. 12V undervoltage protection and group regulation are also just excuses to tier down, as I would say a majority of PC gamers that are affluent enough to do their own builds actually live in an area with decent power. If not, get a UPS, which you should have already if you live with dirty or spotty power.

 

To be clear, I did not directly attack you as far as the tearing down due to simple things like fan bearings or wiring. I read several posts of multiple people claiming "they said they tiered down the unit due to X" which could be hearsay but judging by the fact that you consider a M12II / S12II as barely a "prebuilt replacement" we can kind of tell the level of pettiness on why actually decent, relatively inexpensive power supplies are being pushed down to a "prebuilt replacement" level.

 

There are prebuilts and even "custom builds" out there with Diablotek, Apevia, and many other truly garbage power supplies out there. To say a M12II is a direct replacement for a prebuilt or crappy custom build's power supply is just plain ignorant. It's time for a restructure

[tyson.b]

On 10/8/2019 at 8:40 PM, FALC0N said:

 

I have been trying to tell them that for a month now.  It's dead reliable.  The AK47 of power supplies. Before it was a budget PSU, it was the unit you purchased to power SLI, Crossfire, Pentium EE systems, overclocked Thuban X6,  Overclocked Core 2 Duo's and Core I7's, overclocked Bulldozer FX chips, and everything in between, all of which drew a LOT more power than today's systems do. That's where its stellar reputation came from.  Powering hard core gaming machines for over a decade and powering them reliably, just like it does today. You can't fake that kind of performance or reputation. It may not be the best PSU anymore, but it's damn reliable. Most veterans know that already.   I suspect the problem on this board is a large number of posters in their teens and early 20's who know nothing about it.

One hundred percent. I am in my very early 20s if you couldn't tell lol but I have been building since I was 10. Haven't used anything other than a seasonic unit, except for maybe an Antec VP-450 here and there, which by the way, were also PERFECTLY FINE even with i7s, ssds, systems full of ram, and a mid-tier gpu (at the time i am referring to a high end GTX 750 Ti or GTX 950). I wonder if this is being actually monitored by anyone legitimately at LTT or if it's just a bunch of forum dudes.

[Dejavu]

My M12II 520W has been crapping out on me for a while now. I thought it was my 1070TI as it was the only one which was visibly affected, the RGB leds blink at an insanely fast rate even though I have it setup to be static white only, I sent it to the distributor for checking and the Palit distributor said that the problem might be my PSU. I ignored their advice for a while thinking that I had a decent enough PSU and knowing that my PC would be unusable for a few days . Instead I just removed the connection of the RGB led to the PCB. After a couple of months of laziness I decided to have my PSU checked. The seasonic distributor said that my PSU had "low power" although even before checking they said that they will be replacing my unit so I'm not sure if their "low power" diagnosis was legit or just something that they wrote. I dropped my unit on Friday, I received a text saying that I can pickup the new one on Tuesday. They simply replaced my PSU alone and they did not give me a completely new unit sealed in a box which is not an issue for me. I plugged in the replacement unit and I still have the same problem on my GPU. It's weird though that I'm only having problems on my GPU led and non for the rest of the system, even on long gaming sessions or extended benchmark/stress tests my sytem ran fine, or at least I though it ran fine other than my GPU led. So I borrowed a corsair VS550 from our office, plugged it in and my GPU led issue was gone. A measly VS550 was performing better than my M12II 520W. So now I'm selling the newly replaced M12II and in the lookout for a better PSU, I'm aiming for the ones on tier A

[LukeSavenije]

6 hours ago, tyson.b said:

Do you not know that an SSD takes maybe 2w of power over a time period of an hour? That's 6 watts for all of my SSDs, and maybe an additional 10w for all the rgb lighting, which I highly doubt anyways.

exactly, i know how little a 5v gets used, but you forgot voltage for the motherboard with it

 

6 hours ago, tyson.b said:

12V undervoltage protection and group regulation are also just excuses to tier down

ehm... what? i know uvp is officially not an atx requirement, but like, a complete lack of a protection 90% of the modern psu have isn't important? and as said, group regulation is something that is designed with older hardware in mind, that's why it doesn't meet haswell computability, which makes it much lower than a prebuilt replacement for me

 

I'm not saying the s12ii and m12ii are bombs, I'm saying that they're old products that are designed 9 years ago, with a whole different generation of hardware

 

heck, seasonic is starting to replace it slowly with PSUs that have all my flaws here covered in the s12iii and core, even with little reviews so far i can say these are internally vastly improved

[OrionFOTL]

Check out the review for EVGA G5 750: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-750-g5-power-supply,6344.html

[LukeSavenije]

10 minutes ago, OrionFOTL said:

Check out the review for EVGA G5 750: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-750-g5-power-supply,6344.html

i mean... better than the 1000 to say the least

 

are those different platforms?

[OrionFOTL]

25 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

i mean... better than the 1000 to say the least

 

are those different platforms?

Same platform, with normal specification differences like smaller capacitors and differently rated transistors (compare the component tables)

[LukeSavenije]

19 minutes ago, OrionFOTL said:

Same platform, with normal specification differences like smaller capacitors and differently rated transistors (compare the component tables)

then it's just sad how hard they fucked up with that ripple at 110%

[MEC-777]

2 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

then it's just sad how hard they fucked up with that ripple at 110%

110% load on a 1000w PSU, not many folks are going to be anywhere near that situation. It's something to note but kind of a non-issue. If it was bad at say 80% load, or lower, that would be more of a concern.

 

Just thinking out loud...

[Spotty]

5 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

110% load on a 1000w PSU, not many folks are going to be anywhere near that situation. It's something to note but kind of a non-issue. If it was bad at say 80% load, or lower, that would be more of a concern.

 

Just thinking out loud...

The ripple within 0-100% tests is decent. While not really the be all and end all; failing ripple on the 3.3V at 110% and higher than preferred 12V & 5V ripple is really just another nail in the coffin of a rather mediocre PSU. Unfortunately plenty of other issues of the new G5 power supplies besides ripple that make it an overall underwhelming unit...

These would need to be cheap, like really cheap, to even be worth considering. Currently on Newegg they're about $10 more expensive than the Corsair RMx units! (though they do currently have a $30 MIR bringing the cost down, but it would still need to be a lot cheaper imo)

With the EVGA G2 and G3 inevitably going away I think these EVGA are going to need to ride on the "EVGA" brand name until EVGA puts something better out in the ~$100 80+ Gold range.

[LukeSavenije]

4 hours ago, Spotty said:

G3 inevitably going away

oh, good

 

great performance, horrible protections

[191x7]

Both me and my work colleague bought a SAMA Armor Gold 750W some 5 months ago.

Two days ago his Sama made a pop sound and the PC turned off. The PSU died and he has to RMA it.

The PSU has only 3 years of warranty here. Could it be possible that the PSU-s differ from one region to other?

 

That SAMA Armor Gold has become hard to find here, it seems to have been replaced by the SAMA Forza Gold.

Now, I know the Forza Titanium is a decent PSU, but the Forza GOLD isn't mentioned anywhere.

 

Is the SAMA Forza 750W Gold a good PSU? Should my colleague be fine with receiving a Forza Gold from the RMA?

[Tadej Danev]

INTER-TECH?

 

 

[OrionFOTL]

14 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Both me and my work colleague bought a SAMA Armor Gold 750W some 5 months ago.

Two days ago his Sama made a pop sound and the PC turned off. The PSU died and he has to RMA it.

The PSU has only 3 years of warranty here. Could it be possible that the PSU-s differ from one region to other?

 

That SAMA Armor Gold has become hard to find here, it seems to have been replaced by the SAMA Forza Gold.

Now, I know the Forza Titanium is a decent PSU, but the Forza GOLD isn't mentioned anywhere.

 

Is the SAMA Forza 750W Gold a good PSU? Should my colleague be fine with receiving a Forza Gold from the RMA?

I can see internal photos of SAMA Armor here: http://www.133845.xyz/56643-2.html

And SAMA Forza here: http://www.133845.xyz/39557-2.html

Based on those photos you can see those power supplies use the same platform, but the Forza uses worse quality capacitors. So if they'll want to give you Forza Gold to replace his Armor Gold, he should decline and demand something of same quality or better.

[LukeSavenije]

33 minutes ago, Tadej Danev said:

INTER-TECH

nope, that's just a retailer that sells sama afaik

[Redicat]

HAH, My "D tier" Power Supply hasn't blown up yet... after YEARS, wonder how that could be, lol.

[seon123]

8 minutes ago, Redicat said:

HAH, My "D tier" Power Supply hasn't blown up yet... after YEARS, wonder how that could be, lol.

Many people drive without a seatbelt and smoke all the time, but aren't dead yet. That doesn't mean that it's safe to drive without a seatbelt, or healthy to smoke. 

[Redicat]

Just now, seon123 said:

Many people drive without a seatbelt and smoke all the time, but aren't dead yet. That doesn't mean that it's safe to drive without a seatbelt, or healthy to smoke. 

Computers are not Human get proper voltage input or GTFO.

[Vejnemojnen]

3 hours ago, Redicat said:

Computers are not Human get proper voltage input or GTFO.

So, what was the exact intention of your post? : )

[GoldenLag]

6 hours ago, Redicat said:

Computers are not Human get proper voltage input or GTFO.

Neither are cars or lighters, but sometimes there will be anomalies or failure. Other times there wont be. 

 

Best just not having to deal with those odds to begin with

[-The_Mask-]

16 hours ago, Redicat said:

HAH, My "D tier" Power Supply hasn't blown up yet... after YEARS, wonder how that could be, lol.

This list is very bad. Some power supplies in Tier D are really great power supplies and some are hardware killers. Without knowing your power supply it's impossible to say if you're just lucky or if you have a high-end power supply, or something between that.

[LukeSavenije]

38 minutes ago, -The_Mask- said:

Some power supplies in Tier D are really great power supplies

except for our placement of the smart, which is fixed in my version, what else is left in the current tier d?

 

i know you have something against my placement of the g3 and focus because of "electrical performance" counts more for you than it does for me, but what else did i miss?

 

edit: strider essential is fixed as well in my doc version I'll apply soon

[-The_Mask-]

If you don't see it, then you shouldn't publish the next Tier list. Because it's gonna be yet another crappy list. Just learn the basics first.