[OLD] PSU Tier List 3.0 (Legacy)

[LukeSavenije]

10 minutes ago, grmaster said:

just to add coolermaster masterwatt is the cheapest 0rpm mode in my country at least. Dont know thought how well it works (probably not very well).

it's rather loud after it sets out of that mode

[komi1997]

3 hours ago, Quickshot Gaming said:

 

Looks good but it's expensive, over $100 for the 500w version.

Hmmm, that is high, friend bought 600W one for $80 when you convert it from Euros(from Hungary with 27% VAT) to replace his 2nd MWE Gold 550W Fully Modular that had coilwhine, first one he got replacement when he RMA'd it, now he doesn't want to get another one with coil-whine so he bough Pure Power 11 instead, he'd be fine with less W, he only got R7 1700 OC and RX580 but it was 2-3 euros difference compared to 500W, so no big deal

[komi1997]

Going to build TR 1900x(for PCIe lanes) and 2080Ti system soon for a friend, he will put another 2080Ti in it later, how much W do he need, 850 or 1000 for everything stock?

[Energycore]

So, I've been away from the PSU world for just over a year.

 

What's new?

[LienusLateTips]

47 minutes ago, Energycore said:

So, I've been away from the PSU world for just over a year.

 

What's new?

Focus is bad now.

 

EVGA has released about a million new units (G5 coming soon!)

 

That's about everything major.

[LukeSavenije]

3 hours ago, Energycore said:

So, I've been away from the PSU world for just over a year.

 

What's new?

we got this list now, g3 is bad, focus is bad, the s12iii is still not worth your money, bitfenix can make decent PSUs, ax1600i is still the best around, seasonic is still on single rail, i started working in this subforum and spotty became mod in it

 

so... the usual

[LogicWeasel]

11 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

 focus

Did you have a response for my questions about why the reviews of the most recent Focus units don't show ripple issues?  I just want to understand why the belief is held so strong that even the newer Focus units that don't have issues with GPUs are considered horrible (when the only link in your thread about the focus is not in English and deals with an edge-case and not just standard GPU use).  Also @LienusLateTips

I simply don't get it; based on major review sites the units look just fine (not failing major tests like the EVGA G3 issues that I do see the reasoning for).  I feel like it's wrong to malign a PSU that other reviewers seem to show is fine.

 

May 2019 Review - https://www.anandtech.com/show/14338/the-seasonic-focus-plus-gold-750fx-750w-psu-review
July 2018 Review (no ripple flaws noted) - https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/07/24/seasonic_focus_plus_gold_650w_power_supply_review/8

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

Did you have a response for my questions about why the reviews of the most recent Focus units don't show ripple issues?

well... i don't know

 

but seasonic has had enough reason to make a new one, and they did

 

we just can't buy it yet

[LogicWeasel]

4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... i don't know

 

but seasonic has had enough reason to make a new one, and they did

 

we just can't buy it yet

Ok, well then I suggest it's not quite fair to malign a whole product stack based on sins of the past.  I'm all for warning fellow forum members away from older, bad PSUs, but if the newer Focus Plus Golds are good perhaps it's not fair to keep saying: "every focus is bad, get a (random example:) cooler master MWE bronze instead even if same price"

 

edit:

"we just can't buy it yet"  - The reviews are out for the product?  They said it's not trash, quite the opposite really.  What are "we" waiting on?

Edited August 20, 2019 by LogicWeasel

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

Ok, well then I suggest it's not quite fair to malign a whole product stack based on sins of the past.  I'm all for warning fellow forum members away from older, bad PSUs, but if the newer Focus Plus Golds are good perhaps it's not fair to keep saying: "every focus is bad, get a (random example:) cooler master MWE bronze instead even if same price" 

i would never say that, but i would recommend a whisper for example over it all day

 

and like... mwe isn't even dc-dc

 

but yeah, we'll see how the new focus goes, the sfx-l doesn't seem to have had any problems so far

[LogicWeasel]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

i would never say that, but i would recommend a whisper for example over it all day

That's fine, and for the fan alone I can see why.  But if the whisper is more expensive or not available, or if the consumer wants it modular and affordable, there are a few reasons that lean the other way.  I just point this thing out because you said quote: "focus is bad" and not something like "previous focus model were bad"

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

I just point this thing out because you said quote: "focus is bad" and not something like "previous focus model were bad"

because the "previous" models haven't been officially replaced yet, so they still count as current models

 

then again, i want to see reviews before i change my claims

[LogicWeasel]

6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

then again, i want to see reviews before i change my claims

I suspect that with no change in branding it's very easy to not know which version a unit is.  This review unit that Oklahoma Wolf reviewed (link below) is suspected to be the version 1 that had issues shutting off with certain GPUs yes?  Which is what wasn't seen by the otherwise spotless review from Aug 2017?

 

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2017/08/21/seasonic-focus-plus-550-gold-power-supply/6/

[hello_there_123]

2 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

I suspect that with no change in branding it's very easy to not know which version a unit is.  This review unit that Oklahoma Wolf reviewed (link below) is suspected to be the version 1 that had issues shutting off with certain GPUs yes?  Which is what wasn't seen by the otherwise spotless review from Aug 2017?

 

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2017/08/21/seasonic-focus-plus-550-gold-power-supply/6/

jonnyguru/wolf,s tests are quite outdated in modern times.. back in the days when ripple/voltage regulation was absymal on low end units , nowadays even the low end EVgas or seasonic etc will show decent voltage reg (provdied all the rails have a load , which wolf is doing here) and ripple. usually where the manufacturer cheaps out is on noise (since most psu reviewers dont test noise) , protections , transients reponse , and just build quality in general. 

 

That being said Wolf only put the psu under 550w max on 12v which it was rated for , while the pceva article stated that at 120% load above the psu rate d wattage (900W put on the 750w rated unit) the Psu had 268Mv of ripple.

[LogicWeasel]

4 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

the pceva article stated that at 120% load above the psu rate d wattage (900W put on the 750w rated unit) the Psu had 268Mv of ripple.

Noted.  My question then is: how likely is that to matter to the consumer who buys the PSU and runs a 650W Focus Plus gold with their RTX 2080 graphics card?  How often does the avg gaming computer try to draw 120% of the load of a decent (550-750W) PSU?

[hello_there_123]

Just now, LogicWeasel said:

Noted.  My question then is: how likely is that to matter to the consumer who buys the PSU and runs a 650W Focus Plus gold with their RTX 2080 graphics card?  How often does the avg gaming computer try to draw 120% of the load of a decent PSU?

the focus,s ripple problem mainly applies to GPUs with high transient peaks , aka x80ti/vega cards... rtx 2080 should run completely fine on a 2080 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

How often does the avg gaming computer try to draw 120% of the load of a decent PSU?

for the notice, 2080 isn't as high peak power, so I'll take a vega 64 in my example here

 

the old psu would shut down at loads that cause high ripple now, so wouldn't that be a problem? and like, average joe doesn't notices it, so it's better that we warn him. i don't see anything wrong with that

[Biggerboot]

Sorry if this is slightly offtopic but does anyone know why PSU stock seems short/prices seem higher than normal?  At least that seems to be the case in the US.  Maybe those trade tariffs are kicking in?

[LukeSavenije]

6 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

At least that seems to be the case in the US.  Maybe those trade tariffs are kicking in?

I've heard a while back that they were about to

 

I'll just mention @jonnyGURU to check here

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

I've heard a while back that they were about to

 

I'll just mention @jonnyGURU to check here

They kicked in for computer parts a while ago.

 

[LienusLateTips]

The Focus will not be elevated until I have seen a review with full protections testing of the new units. Final decision.

 

With the Focus the main issue is that there are always similar or better units for the same price

[LogicWeasel]

22 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

The Focus will not be elevated until I have seen a review with full protections testing of the new units. Final decision.

I am unsure if the focus was downgraded when the issues started getting reported.  I see that as of now, the Focus Plus Gold series is sitting in Tier A.  Did it move?

[test123452]

what about

zalman zm700-tx 80plus 230v eu ?

[LukeSavenije]

7 minutes ago, test123452 said:

zalman zm700-tx

i can't find reviews on it so far, all i know that it's a Hui Cheng

[OrionFOTL]

2 hours ago, test123452 said:

what about

zalman zm700-tx 80plus 230v eu ?

Not suitable for anything that actually needs 700W of power.