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2 weeks of troubleshooting and nothing

Pogbaku69

So as the title says I've been troubleshooting my PC for about 2 weeks now and honestly I've gotten nowhere.

 

I've built my PC over the years with mainly new and some second hand parts,my current configuration is :

 

Intel Xeon E3 1230 v3 - bought used and has worked perfectly for a year now, getting 715-720 CB score which is in line with what other users are getting. Max temperatures in games are at 63-65C. Cooled by an LC-CC95 (budget cooler but still keeps the temps low). MSI afterburner shows it running in games between 3.5-3.7 GHz as that is its max boost clock.

 

MSI H81M-P33- bought new and used it with 2 different processors, i3 4170 and this Xeon. Newest BIOS and CMOS cleared. 

 

RAM: 2x 4GB DDR3 GEIL Dragon 1600MHz - bought new and used with 2 different CPUs,RAM is reported as running in dual channel and at 1600 MHz.

 

GPU: Had an R9 270 before. Bought a used ,under warranty miner card - RX 580 4GB Sapphire Nitro+. It is running the default BIOS and a slight overclock of 3% on Core,0% on memory. Core 1380/Memory 1750. +20% Power limit,radeon chill off,zero rpm off,custom fan curve never goes above 58C in games. Both power connectors (6 pin and 6+2 are plugged in firmly,triple checked). GPU never had issues of black screening,artifacts, driver crashes or anything like that. But it is creating me some problems.

 

Power supply: CoolerMaster B500 v2. Single +12V rail at 38A, 80 rated, bought new 2 years ago. Has 2x 6+2 connectors. 

 

 

So in certain synthetic benchmarks such as Unigine Superposition and Unigine Heaven, the GPU shows as running at maximum clock (1380/1750), 100% usage and I get scores which are about the same as others (2526 Superposition 1080p extreme,1330 Heaven maxed out 1080p). 

My monitor is an old 19'' screen which I have connected to my GPU using a VGA-HDMI adapter.  Its resolution is 1280x1024.

 

In games, the GPU usage is reported as being all over the place. Fluctuating between 0-5-20-100% all the time.One second it is at 100%,next at 5% , the clocks remain constant. and at their max (1380/1750).

 

When I force a resolution ingame to lets say 1920x1080, the GPU usage doesnt fluctuate as much but it still shows in MSI afterburner as dipping from 100% to 5% and clocks keep remaining constant (1380/1750). In R6 Siege,Overwatch its the same story on my native resolution. In some games like AC Origins, Watch Dogs 2, Wildlands I get lower FPS ingame than on videos on youtube of people running comparable setups (RX 580 and either a Haswell i5/i7 NOT overclocked, Skylake i5 etc). Watch Dogs 2 I would say runs the same or sometimes worse than it did on my old card. The GPU usage is really low like fluctuating between 5 and 50. On AC Origins benchmark I get lower results than people running RX 580 and Ryzen 5/i5 4460 at 1080p! Metro Exodus however runs at 80-100FPS on my card, Forza Horizon 4 runs maxed out at 80-100FPS... Certain games just refuse to utilize GPU and I get lower framerates than I should be getting. PUBG runs at 100FPS but even there my GPU is not utilized more than 50% no matter what resolution or details I select.

 

In games the card rarely draws over 120W which I think is suspicious a bit. 

 

I've tried so far:

 

Opening furmark and seeing what the GPU powerdraw is, the GPU in furmark stress test draws 180-190W and runs it for hours without crashing or overheating. I think its not a problem with power delivery.

 

Reseating GPU , uninstalling drivers with DDU & safe mode, running both beta and stable drivers. Even tried running older drivers.

 

Reseating power cables.

 

Flashing default BIOS to card just in case.

 

Reinstalling Windows 10 & 8.1.

 

Disabling/enabling HPET.

 

I am honestly lost as to why some games work fine and I get great framerates while others run worse than on weaker/equal hardware. 

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Is it running with less PCIe bus bandwidth? You can check that with GPU-Z and some 3D apps running, it should be PCIe 2.0 x16.

 

31 minutes ago, Pogbaku69 said:

In games the card rarely draws over 120W which I think is suspicious a bit. 

 

software power readings only measures the GPU core's consumption and nothing else, the actual power draw of the card is 30-50w higher.

 

32 minutes ago, Pogbaku69 said:

the GPU in furmark stress test draws 180-190W and runs it for hours without crashing or overheating.

that's why they call it a power virus, the entire card is pulling more like 210-230w.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Is it running with less PCIe bus bandwidth? You can check that with GPU-Z and some 3D apps running, it should be PCIe 2.0 x16.

 

software power readings only measures the GPU core's consumption and nothing else, the actual power draw of the card is 30-50w higher.

 

that's why they call it a power virus, the entire card is pulling more like 210-230w.

 

 

It is running at PCIe 2.0 x16. I checked with GPU-Z.

 

I didn't know about the actual core draw but I think it should still be enough power from the PSU. 

 

 

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In Wildlands and AC games their memory usage can be quite high, check if they are nearing the limits. This doesnt explain R6S and Overwatch though

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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@Pogbaku69 lower resolution is extremely cpu bound. Not to mention your mobo has non existent vrm without any safety features. My guess would be cpu is throttling in games therefore you can see gpu using jumping up and down.Before upgrade r9 was bottleneck,however with rx580 cpu get much higher CPU usage and I would guess it doesn't get enough power.

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@Jurrunio My RAM usage in AC and Wildlands is total about 6.5-7GB. 

 

 

 

@Xcoool I'm finding it extremely difficult to think that the Xeon e3 1230 which is the same CPU as i7 4770 - the iGPU can be bottlenecking my RX 580. Its a 4C/8T Haswell. My CPU doesn't get throttled if thats what you meant to say, the temperatures never go above 65C and in Afterburner overlay the CPU speed stays at 3500-3600MHz. What is something that I can do to alleviate the CPU being a bottleneck at this resolution? Limiting FPS with RTSS or ingame? Honestly when I switch games to 1080p there is no noticeable difference in overall CPU usage. The GPU does stay a bit more at 100% but it does still drop,just not as much.

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Have you tried checking the storage drives? Crystaldiskinfo for example.

 

Also check for disk fragmentation.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 hours ago, Pogbaku69 said:

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Have you turned on "Unified GPU usage monitoring" in MSI Afterburner general settings? I guess not, but you should - it will show you the true GPU usage values.

 

Also, you should upgrade your monitor. In some games, forcing a higher resolution simply doesn't work (although it might show as if it does) and there most certainly are issues scaling the resolutions. Just replace the monitor and your issues will go away. Try with a monitor from a friend or a relative if you don't believe.

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12 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Have you tried checking the storage drives? Crystaldiskinfo for example.

 

Also check for disk fragmentation.

 

I've used that software and did a disk defrag, the hard drive is 2 years old. Nothing shows up that would raise red flags. 

 

12 hours ago, 191x7 said:

Have you turned on "Unified GPU usage monitoring" in MSI Afterburner general settings? I guess not, but you should - it will show you the true GPU usage values.

 

Also, you should upgrade your monitor. In some games, forcing a higher resolution simply doesn't work (although it might show as if it does) and there most certainly are issues scaling the resolutions. Just replace the monitor and your issues will go away. Try with a monitor from a friend or a relative if you don't believe.

 

 

I have tried ticking that box but then the reported GPU usage stays at 0% despite me playing games. Wattman shows the same in its monitoring tool,the GPU usage fluctuates a lot. I will try hooking it up to my friends 1080p monitor to see what the GPU usage is like then. 

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