Good time to upgrade system?

[Gershy13]

So my PC has started to struggle in games and CPU usage is at 100% quite often.

So I was considering upgrading my dated 4670k @4.1ghz to something a bit newer like the 8700k or 9700k (or maybe the i5 counterparts if I can't afford the i7)

This would mean I'd have to get a completely new motherboard and ram, as I'm still on ddr3. So I'd end up selling my old stuff on eBay.

 

Is it a good time to upgrade? I technically can wait it out as it's not that big of a deal that I drop a few frames here and there in games, it's just annoying.

 

When are the new intel CPUs coming out? And is ddr5 out soon? (I want to have the latest ram so I won't have to buy new ram if I wanted to upgrade my CPU later down the road.)

 

So is it a good time to upgrade?

 

Also 8600k/8700k Vs 9600k/9700k?

I see that the i7 9700k has 2 more cores but no hyperthreading.

Which one is better? Also will a hyper 212 Evo be able to cool it? Or would I need to get an aio?

 

Any tips would be appreciated

 

Thanks

Gershy13

[Gershy13]

Just now, Starscream203 said:

buy the best you can afford 

That doesn't answer my question.

[ELSknutson]

I would wait for the new lintel or AMD CPU's that will becoming out sometime this year.  Also if your profiles correct the thing you should be upgrading is your GPU

[SolarNova]

Wait for Zen 2.

[Turtle Rig]

12 minutes ago, Gershy13 said:

So my PC has started to struggle in games and CPU usage is at 100% quite often.

So I was considering upgrading my dated 4670k @4.1ghz to something a bit newer like the 8700k or 9700k (or maybe the i5 counterparts if I can't afford the i7)

This would mean I'd have to get a completely new motherboard and ram, as I'm still on ddr3. So I'd end up selling my old stuff on eBay.

 

Is it a good time to upgrade? I technically can wait it out as it's not that big of a deal that I drop a few frames here and there in games, it's just annoying.

 

When are the new intel CPUs coming out? And is ddr5 out soon? (I want to have the latest ram so I won't have to buy new ram if I wanted to upgrade my CPU later down the road.)

 

So is it a good time to upgrade?

 

Also 8600k/8700k Vs 9600k/9700k?

I see that the i7 9700k has 2 more cores but no hyperthreading.

Which one is better? Also will a hyper 212 Evo be able to cool it? Or would I need to get an aio?

 

Any tips would be appreciated

 

Thanks

Gershy13

Whatever you buy a new one is already out so you must settle.  Even if you wait 6 months, as soon as you buy the CPU a new one is already coming out.  What resolution do you play games at ?  Your 4670k OCed to 4.1Ghz with a 1060 6GB would go very well and give you locked 60fps at 1080p resolution.  You need a GPU upgrade more then a CPU upgrade.  So I would buy a video card now then later on in the year you can upgrade from your 4670k to a 8700k for about 300 dollars at that time.  As far as DDR5 that is not coming out any time soon.  The earliest would be 2022 possibly 2021 but I highly doubt that.  Also yes a hyper 212 is a great cooler and second place next to Noctua DH-15.  You can OC your box just as if you had liquid cooling.

[Gershy13]

1 hour ago, ELSknutson said:

I would wait for the new lintel or AMD CPU's that will becoming out sometime this year.  Also if your profiles correct the thing you should be upgrading is your GPU

No, I need to update it... I've currently got a 1060 6gb. It's being bottlenecked in fortnite as my CPU is at 100% and the GPU hovers around 80-90%, and I get fluctuations in my frame rate really often. Can't have anything open in the background either...

1 hour ago, SolarNova said:

Wait for Zen 2.

I like to keep it intel. It's just a habit.

1 hour ago, Turtle Rig said:

Whatever you buy a new one is already out so you must settle.  Even if you wait 6 months, as soon as you buy the CPU a new one is already coming out.  What resolution do you play games at ?  Your 4670k OCed to 4.1Ghz with a 1060 6GB would go very well and give you locked 60fps at 1080p resolution.  You need a GPU upgrade more then a CPU upgrade.  So I would buy a video card now then later on in the year you can upgrade from your 4670k to a 8700k for about 300 dollars at that time.  As far as DDR5 that is not coming out any time soon.  The earliest would be 2022 possibly 2021 but I highly doubt that.  Also yes a hyper 212 is a great cooler and second place next to Noctua DH-15.  You can OC your box just as if you had liquid cooling.

I play at 1080p 75hz, and I have got a 1060 6gb (haven't updated my profile yet, thanks for reminding me) 

 

In fortnite I get 100% CPU and GPU around 80-90%, FPS fluctuates a lot and I get quite a bit of stuttering... It's playable, but I can't have anything else running in the background and if I have discord or something open I seem to have even more lag...

[Turtle Rig]

36 minutes ago, Gershy13 said:

No, I need to update it... I've currently got a 1060 6gb. It's being bottlenecked in fortnite as my CPU is at 100% and the GPU hovers around 80-90%, and I get fluctuations in my frame rate really often. Can't have anything open in the background either...

I like to keep it intel. It's just a habit.

I play at 1080p 75hz, and I have got a 1060 6gb (haven't updated my profile yet, thanks for reminding me) 

 

In fortnite I get 100% CPU and GPU around 80-90%, FPS fluctuates a lot and I get quite a bit of stuttering... It's playable, but I can't have anything else running in the background and if I have discord or something open I seem to have even more lag...

Make sure you set your vsync off then you should get close to 100 percent GPU usage in Fortnite.  As far as CPU reaching 100 percent that usually means it's choking out.  You need a overclock on that CPU or else Fortnite will suffer.  You can easily turn on turbo and get 4.2Ghz or maybe more.  Your chip can OC close to 5Ghz but I would settle for 4.6Ghz.  You need a good cooler if you plan on doing this like the 212 evo or the Noctua DH-15.  Then I bet anything you will be much more happy gaming.  Also the 1060 6GB is a perfect card for 1080p gaming without blowing up your bank acc.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Not boasting, just comparative data

 

 

I've got a 4790k 4.5Ghz (16GB 2400MhzDDR3) and never have seen 100% in Fortnite on my CPU.
It willl tap 8 Threads but I've only seen 60-85% CPU ranges when Playing and my GTX1070 at stock is 96-100% throughout matches.

 

8 Threads will bring up GPU usages and drop CPU usages.

Problem is, every man and his dog still charges too much for a used 4790k.

 

I put my Mom on a nonK 4790 8thread CPU because her world of Tanks game can use 60-80% of her fourCores,.. when she uses Mods it can spike higher on the CPU and drops GPU usages .

The 4790 cures all that for her too.

 

[Gershy13]

3 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Make sure you set your vsync off then you should get close to 100 percent GPU usage in Fortnite.  As far as CPU reaching 100 percent that usually means it's choking out.  You need a overclock on that CPU or else Fortnite will suffer.  You can easily turn on turbo and get 4.2Ghz or maybe more.  Your chip can OC close to 5Ghz but I would settle for 4.6Ghz.  You need a good cooler if you plan on doing this like the 212 evo or the Noctua DH-15.  Then I bet anything you will be much more happy gaming.  Also the 1060 6GB is a perfect card for 1080p gaming without blowing up your bank acc.

Vsync is off, my frame rates are usually above 120, and hover between 140-170...

I do have a 1060 6gb in my system currently.

And my i5 4670k is clocked at 4.1ghz, as I couldn't get It to be stable at anything above that. It's running at 1.27v I think. I even tried 1.3v for higher clocks but no success...

And yes I have a hyper 212 Evo cooling it... Temps are around 60-70c under load.

2 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Not boasting, just comparative data

 

 

I've got a 4790k 4.5Ghz (16GB 2400MhzDDR3) and never have seen 100% in Fortnite on my CPU.
It willl tap 8 Threads but I've only seen 60-85% CPU ranges when Playing and my GTX1070 at stock is 96-100% throughout matches.

 

8 Threads will bring up GPU usages and drop CPU usages.

Problem is, every man and his dog still charges too much for a used 4790k.

 

I put my Mom on a nonK 4790 8thread CPU because her world of Tanks game can use 60-80% of her fourCores,.. when she uses Mods it can spike higher on the CPU and drops GPU usages .

The 4790 cures all that for her too.

 

Fortnite seems to only be able to use 70-80% of CPU, but CPU usage is still at 100% because of other running services... I'm on a 4670k at 4.1ghz 1.27v. hyper 212 Evo, temps are 60-70c under load.

And yeah obviously it's a i5 so it's 4 threads.

 

That's why I think I need a new CPU. 

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Gershy13 said:

Vsync is off, my frame rates are usually above 120, and hover between 140-170...

I do have a 1060 6gb in my system currently.

And my i5 4670k is clocked at 4.1ghz, as I couldn't get It to be stable at anything above that. It's running at 1.27v I think. I even tried 1.3v for higher clocks but no success...

And yes I have a hyper 212 Evo cooling it... Temps are around 60-70c under load.

Fortnite seems to only be able to use 70-80% of CPU, but CPU usage is still at 100% because of other running services... I'm on a 4670k at 4.1ghz 1.27v. hyper 212 Evo, temps are 60-70c under load.

And yeah obviously it's a i5 so it's 4 threads.

 

That's why I think I need a new CPU. 

If you get a new CPU your CPU usage will be like avg 40 to 60 percent on any AAA title.  Your CPU is choking out, only the GPU should go to 90 or 100 percent with vsync off.  I suggest a 8700k for 300 dollars a 100 dollar mobo that can overclock well and 16GB DDR4 RAM.  Along with a SSD the system would shine and your 1060 6GB will give you the max frame rate it can.  Right now your not getting good frame rates because your CPU is bottlenecking and what not.  What is your budget for CPU, MOBO and RAM ?

[SkilledRebuilds]

I should note, I close my stuff before gaming as it's just a habit of mine from early days...
For what it's worth...

 

Many games stuttered more again when I moved from 4c4t GTX970 TO 1070.

 

Then jumped on the 8 Threads and was legit amazed at the increases.

 

Seems most of my games were indeed Multicore aware and got good gains.

 

AC:Unity has a lot of CPU usage to deal with, 4cores always at 90-100% and heavily dropped GPU usages to 50% and variable.

This game (as others) shows the most gain (at the time) for GPU usages when I did the swap...

 

[Gershy13]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

If you get a new CPU your CPU usage will be like avg 40 to 60 percent on any AAA title.  Your CPU is choking out, only the GPU should go to 90 or 100 percent with vsync off.  I suggest a 8700k for 300 dollars a 100 dollar mobo that can overclock well and 16GB DDR4 RAM.  Along with a SSD the system would shine and your 1060 6GB will give you the max frame rate it can.  Right now your not getting good frame rates because your CPU is bottlenecking and what not.  What is your budget for CPU, MOBO and RAM ?

Thanks... Yeah, my frame rates are fine, it's just that they aren't consistent and they drop to low frame rates and go back up occasionally. And I'm pretty sure it's because my CPU is hitting its limit.

 

I was planning to sell my 4670k and it's z87 motherboard and the 16gb of ddr3 and hopefully get around £250 for it.

 

Then I was thinking of ideally going for the best I can get (9700k, 16gb ddr4, decent motherboard) although that would cost a lot and I'm not sure if it's worth it, or if I should just wait a bit... I've already got a few ssds and HDDs in my system (check my signature I just updated it to my latest specs)

 

So I would probably end up spending around £400+ on the upgrade if all went to plan (600 for new system, takeaway the 250 I got from selling old components)

 

I think I'd also have to get a new power supply as I don't think this one would be able to power the new CPU especially when overclocked, and I don't really trust it to even if it could...

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

I should note, I close my stuff before gaming as it's just a habit of mine from early days...
For what it's worth...

 

Many games stuttered more again when I moved from 4c4t GTX970 TO 1070.

 

Then jumped on the 8 Threads and was legit amazed at the increases.

 

Seems most of my games were indeed Multicore aware and got good gains.

 

AC:Unity has a lot of CPU usage to deal with, 4cores always at 90-100% and heavily dropped GPU usages to 50% and variable.

This game (as others) shows the most gain (at the time) for GPU usages when I did the swap...

 

Yes I agree with you nice post my friend.  All 8 threads are recognized and each gives small amount of usage for a total usage of avg 40 to 60 percent in AAA titles.

[Gershy13]

4 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

I should note, I close my stuff before gaming as it's just a habit of mine from early days...
For what it's worth...

 

Many games stuttered more again when I moved from 4c4t GTX970 TO 1070.

 

Then jumped on the 8 Threads and was legit amazed at the increases.

 

Seems most of my games were indeed Multicore aware and got good gains.

 

AC:Unity has a lot of CPU usage to deal with, 4cores always at 90-100% and heavily dropped GPU usages to 50% and variable.

This game (as others) shows the most gain (at the time) for GPU usages when I did the swap...

 

Yeah I always close my stuff, but I have quite a few background services that run that are really annoying to have to open up again after I finish my gaming session... 

And discord seems to have issues when my CPU is maxed out...

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, Gershy13 said:

Thanks... Yeah, my frame rates are fine, it's just that they aren't consistent and they drop to low frame rates and go back up occasionally. And I'm pretty sure it's because my CPU is hitting its limit.

 

I was planning to sell my 4670k and it's z87 motherboard and the 16gb of ddr3 and hopefully get around £250 for it.

 

Then I was thinking of ideally going for the best I can get (9700k, 16gb ddr4, decent motherboard) although that would cost a lot and I'm not sure if it's worth it, or if I should just wait a bit... I've already got a few ssds and HDDs in my system (check my signature I just updated it to my latest specs)

 

So I would probably end up spending around £400+ on the upgrade if all went to plan (600 for new system, takeaway the 250 I got from selling old components)

 

I think I'd also have to get a new power supply as I don't think this one would be able to power the new CPU especially when overclocked, and I don't really trust it to even if it could...

OCZ is out of business.  I wouldn't dare use that junk 500 watt PSU on a new CPU and MOBO and video card.  So yes you need a new CPU.  maximum 600 watts and gold rating.  When you are ready to do the build let us know and well get you the best prices for CPU, MOBO, RAM and PSU. 

[Gershy13]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes I agree with you nice post my friend.  All 8 threads are recognized and each gives small amount of usage for a total usage of avg 40 to 60 percent in AAA titles.

 

5 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

I should note, I close my stuff before gaming as it's just a habit of mine from early days...
For what it's worth...

 

Many games stuttered more again when I moved from 4c4t GTX970 TO 1070.

 

Then jumped on the 8 Threads and was legit amazed at the increases.

 

Seems most of my games were indeed Multicore aware and got good gains.

 

AC:Unity has a lot of CPU usage to deal with, 4cores always at 90-100% and heavily dropped GPU usages to 50% and variable.

This game (as others) shows the most gain (at the time) for GPU usages when I did the swap...

What do you guys recommend? They're the same price currently (in fact the 9700k is about £2 cheaper lol)

 

The 8700k or the 9700k?

 

8700k is 6 core 12 thread

9700k is 8 core 8 thread (higher clocks tho and better thermals?)

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, Gershy13 said:

Yeah I always close my stuff, but I have quite a few background services that run that are really annoying to have to open up again after I finish my gaming session... 

And discord seems to have issues when my CPU is maxed out...

Well if you have 16GB of RAM you can have all the background stuff running as long as it doesn't use the CPU.  Once you have 16GB of ram you can have your browsers open and lots of stuff in the tray as long as nothing is working while your gaming.

[SkilledRebuilds]

AC Origins+Sequel

BFV

AC Unity

Watchdogs

To name a couple well known CPU Thread Eaters

Admittedly I'm not playing many games, but these above will ruin a 4core4thread PC but are relatively fine on a 4c8t PC.. (with a great GPU)

[Gershy13]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

OCZ is out of business.  I wouldn't dare use that junk 500 watt PSU on a new CPU and MOBO and video card.  So yes you need a new CPU.  maximum 600 watts and gold rating.  When you are ready to do the build let us know and well get you the best prices for CPU, MOBO, RAM and PSU. 

I'm in the UK, and the prices seem to be the same everywhere, they're max £5 different between shops... I use pcpartpicker to get me the best prices.

 

Yeah I'll probably end up getting a good Corsair or something 600 or 750w 80+ PSU

[Gershy13]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

Well if you have 16GB of RAM you can have all the background stuff running as long as it doesn't use the CPU.  Once you have 16GB of ram you can have your browsers open and lots of stuff in the tray as long as nothing is working while your gaming.

Ram doesn't seem to be the issue for me, its that these background things use CPU... Even the browser uses a fair amount of CPU and makes my game lag.

[SkilledRebuilds]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

Well if you have 16GB of RAM you can have all the background stuff running as long as it doesn't use the CPU.  Once you have 16GB of ram you can have your browsers open and lots of stuff in the tray as long as nothing is working while your gaming.

Agreed, +Adblock and Ghostery plugins to remove all the Animated Ads on Web pages, driving up CPU percents a tad when in background.

 

[Gershy13]

2 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Agreed, +Adblock and Ghostery plugins to remove all the Animated Ads on Web pages, driving up CPU percents a tad when in background.

 

Yeah... With just chrome open on the new tab page and my system not doing anything much else, my CPU usage seems to be around 10-20%.... It's all the other background services and applications I have running too...

[SkilledRebuilds]

Id still want hyperthreading on a new system...

 

Paired with a 2080ti for extreme examples.

I've watched 8c8t and 6c6t being tapped natively a lot (not 95-100% but it got up there) but a lot with high usages in Multicore titles...

To which I say 2080ti was overkill for the 1440p testing done..

Like a 2080/1080ti is overkill for 1080p Gaming.

 

Pushing more than required will drive up CPU usages, hence why people say set an FPS cap to reduce usages.

 

Maybe I was wrong in what I saw and maybe rushed the conclusion..

 

But check whatever CPU against typical usage scenarios before you plan to buy before purchase obviously.

 

Seeing 6c6t fully tapped makes me want Hyperthreading on every CPU.

[Turtle Rig]

5 minutes ago, Gershy13 said:

I'm in the UK, and the prices seem to be the same everywhere, they're max £5 different between shops... I use pcpartpicker to get me the best prices.

 

Yeah I'll probably end up getting a good Corsair or something 600 or 750w 80+ PSU

750w is overkill.  550 to 600w is the sweet spot and make sure its gold rated.  You can get the Corsair CX550m bronze rating will do and modular.  For 60 bucks.

[SkilledRebuilds]

3 minutes ago, Gershy13 said:

Yeah... With just chrome open on the new tab page and my system not doing anything much else, my CPU usage seems to be around 10-20%.... It's all the other background services and applications I have running too...

Windows Optimization guide to nail down excess?

Could maybe drive idle usages Down a little..

 

Depends how deep you dive into that I spose.