Opinion for new build

[Evolutiioz]

I'm thinking of building a new PC and have made 2 parts lists on PCPartPicker. 

 

Which one would be better for gaming and the occasional streaming?

[mxk]

1) Both will be fine for gaming and streaming but the 9700k will perform better in games.

2) The ROG Strix Z390-E is a pretty shitty motherboard, especially for how much it costs.

3) 650w of power is more than enough for both builds, even when overclocked. Stick with the Focus Plus Gold or a 650w PSU of it's quality.

[Jurrunio]

9700k should do better but I like neither of them. What country of PCPP is this?

[Evolutiioz]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

9700k should do better but I like neither of them. What country of PCPP is this?

United Kingdom

[ch3w2oy]

What resolution and refresh rate are you playing at?

 

The 2700X will be better for streaming as it has 8c/16t and the 9700K only has 8c/8t.

 

You could just get a 2600 for now and sell it later on and replace it with a Zen 2 chip that will have more cores and be on par (if not better) than what Intel currently has.. Making it a bad ass streaming and gaming machine..

[Hotseff]

Just now, Evolutiioz said:

I'm thinking of building a new PC and have made 2 parts lists on PCPartPicker. 

 

Which one would be better for gaming and the occasional streaming?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	£178.50 @ Aria PC
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	£59.99 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard	MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£89.99 @ Box Limited
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£94.58 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£74.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£91.17 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC BLACK GAMING Video Card	£328.69 @ CCL Computers
Case	NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	£69.95 @ AWD-IT
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	£87.65 @ Ebuyer
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1075.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-22 22:14 GMT+0000

What about this?

[r2724r16]

14 minutes ago, Evolutiioz said:

Which one would be better for gaming and the occasional streaming?

The 9700K one will be better, but both builds are terrible. If your budget is around £1600, check out this build instead: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£384.40 @ Alza
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	£64.64 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	ASRock - Z390 Taichi ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	£218.97 @ Ebuyer
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£105.18 @ Aria PC
Storage	Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£114.67 @ Aria PC
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£37.59 @ Aria PC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	£473.99 @ CCL Computers
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C TG ATX Mid Tower Case	£89.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	£84.98 @ CCL Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1574.41
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-22 22:16 GMT+0000

[Evolutiioz]

1 minute ago, Geography said:

The 9700K one will be better, but both builds are terrible. If your budget is around £1600, check out this build instead: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£384.40 @ Alza
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	£64.64 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	ASRock - Z390 Taichi ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	£218.97 @ Ebuyer
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£105.18 @ Aria PC
Storage	Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£114.67 @ Aria PC
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£37.59 @ Aria PC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	£473.99 @ CCL Computers
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C TG ATX Mid Tower Case	£89.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	£84.98 @ CCL Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1574.41
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-22 22:16 GMT+0000

 

Can I just ask what is wrong with the I7 build?

[mxk]

7 minutes ago, Hotseff said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	£178.50 @ Aria PC
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	£59.99 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard	MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£89.99 @ Box Limited
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£94.58 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£74.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£91.17 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC BLACK GAMING Video Card	£328.69 @ CCL Computers
Case	NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	£69.95 @ AWD-IT
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	£87.65 @ Ebuyer
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1075.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-22 22:14 GMT+0000

What about this?

Just going to point these out, not trying to poop on you.

 

The AIO you picked is a cooler master one and cooler master AIOs are usually pretty cheap in quality to other AIOs

 

The Supernova G3 PSU has internal issues, so it's not a great pick.

[r2724r16]

Just now, Evolutiioz said:

Can I just ask what is wrong with the I7 build?

- I'm not a fan of AIO liquid coolers. They're loud, unreliable, and overpriced compared to air coolers (hence the DRP4).

- The Strix Z390-E is not a great motherboard, the Z390 Taichi is much better (see reviews for proof).

- You can get a 1TB SSD instead of a 500GB one with your budget (MX500 = 860 EVO in terms of performance, MX500 > 860 EVO in terms of value).

- You can get a better better graphics card with that budget (RTX 2070 > RTX 2060).

- Case is personal preference, I think the H500 looks hideous compared to the Meshify C TG.

[Jurrunio]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor	£150.79 @ Aria PC
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	£64.64 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI - X470 GAMING M7 AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	£202.79 @ Amazon UK
Memory	ADATA - XPG SPECTRIX D41 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£99.99 @ Ebuyer
Storage	Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	£59.84 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Toshiba - P300 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£62.57 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB VENTUS Video Card	£638.99 @ Box Limited
Case	Fractal Design - Define C with Window ATX Mid Tower Case	£80.23 @ More Computers
Power Supply	Corsair - TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	£77.48 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan	Phanteks - PH-F120MP_BBK_PWM 53.3 CFM 120mm Fan	£12.03 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan	Phanteks - PH-F120MP_BBK_PWM 53.3 CFM 120mm Fan	£12.03 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan	Phanteks - PH-F120MP_BBK_PWM 53.3 CFM 120mm Fan	£12.03 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan	Corsair - ML120 Pro 75 CFM 120mm Fan	£16.99 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1490.40
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-22 23:12 GMT+0000

 

I know I said i7 performs better, I changed back to Ryzen because future Ryzen CPUs could be even better and they are cheaper, giving budget room for a faster GPU. R7 1700 is just too cheap to make 2nd gen Ryzen 7 a sensible choice.

 

Other stuff got changed too, case is different because NZXT H500 doesnt have great airflow (just acceptable of it, which means more noise from the fans to get the same cooling effect), swapped RTX 2060 with RTX 2080, changed storage drives for more capacity for the money, changed motherboard for a stronger power delivery, memory sticks for lower price and cooler for lower price, higher reliability and lower noise level. Not like Ryzen 7s get as hot as 9th gen i7 or i9. Also more fans (3 front intakes, 1 rear exhaust, fans that comes with the case on the top) to improve airflow.

[Guest]

What monitor are you using ?

[Guest]

58 minutes ago, Geography said:

- I'm not a fan of AIO liquid coolers. They're loud, unreliable, and overpriced compared to air coolers (hence the DRP4).

- The Strix Z390-E is not a great motherboard, the Z390 Taichi is much better (see reviews for proof).

- You can get a 1TB SSD instead of a 500GB one with your budget (MX500 = 860 EVO in terms of performance, MX500 > 860 EVO in terms of value).

- You can get a better better graphics card with that budget (RTX 2070 > RTX 2060).

- Case is personal preference, I think the H500 looks hideous compared to the Meshify C TG.

Not sure why you would get the Z390 Taichi when the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro wifi is cheaper. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£237.18 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£130.15 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£149.58 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£119.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£57.96 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Toshiba - P300 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£52.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Palit - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GamingPro Video Card  (£640.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Corsair - SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (£64.87 @ More Computers) 
Power Supply: RIOTORO - ENIGMA G2 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£83.92 @ More Computers) 
Total: £1537.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-23 02:53 GMT+0000

[Mr.Genuine]

Dude wait for the up coming 1600 series of cards from Nvidia..I think they are more value for money than the RTX ones. Check out 1660 Ti

[gta6287]

Sorry for hijacking the thread but;

 

 

5 hours ago, mxk. said:

2) The ROG Strix Z390-E is a pretty shitty motherboard, especially for how much it costs.

I have this motherboard listed for my upcoming build. Why is it bad?

[jerubedo]

2 hours ago, gta6287 said:

Sorry for hijacking the thread but;

 

 

I have this motherboard listed for my upcoming build. Why is it bad?

 

As far as Z390 boards go the only brand that's done a decent job on the VRMs this round is Gigabyte. Asus, MSI, and ASRock have all put in TERRIBLE VRMs for their price points. Gigabyte is using 12+1 power phases.

[mxk]

2 hours ago, gta6287 said:

Sorry for hijacking the thread but;

 

 

I have this motherboard listed for my upcoming build. Why is it bad?

Garbage VRM quality. Asus really stepped down from the throne that Asus fanboys praise them for. The shitty VRMs get pretty warm compared to the Gigabyte Aorus ones and the quality may even hold back some overclocks.

[gta6287]

5 hours ago, jerubedo said:

 

As far as Z390 boards go the only brand that's done a decent job on the VRMs this round is Gigabyte. Asus, MSI, and ASRock have all put in TERRIBLE VRMs for their price points. Gigabyte is using 12+1 power phases.

 

4 hours ago, mxk. said:

Garbage VRM quality. Asus really stepped down from the throne that Asus fanboys praise them for. The shitty VRMs get pretty warm compared to the Gigabyte Aorus ones and the quality may even hold back some overclocks.

wow thanks. saved me ~$100

[Guest]

6 hours ago, jerubedo said:

 

As far as Z390 boards go the only brand that's done a decent job on the VRMs this round is Gigabyte. Asus, MSI, and ASRock have all put in TERRIBLE VRMs for their price points. Gigabyte is using 12+1 power phases.

The MSI Z390 boards are pretty good overall. You have a board for most price points, although Gigabyte has a bit more choice and has the better range overall. I would be happy with a Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon though if I wanted a solid MSI board.

 

 

[Evolutiioz]

25 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

The MSI Z390 boards are pretty good overall. You have a board for most price points, although Gigabyte has a bit more choice and has the better range overall. I would be happy with a Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon though if I wanted a solid MSI board.

 

 

Since everyone seems to be slating the STRIX Z390-E, could you recommend a Mobo of a similar style?

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, Evolutiioz said:

Since everyone seems to be slating the STRIX Z390-E, could you recommend a Mobo of a similar style?

If you need WiFi I would look at the MSI Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC or the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi. 

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/K3ndnQ/msi-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon-ac-atx-lga1151-motherboard-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon-ac

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/N6gzK8/gigabyte-z390-aorus-pro-wifi-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z390-aorus-pro-wifi

 

 

The Asus board would cope fine with the 9700K by the way, but it is overpriced compared to the MSI or Gigabyte. On the plus side Asus does have the best bios. The Gigabyte bios is still behind Asus in that regard.

 

Do you already have a monitor ?

[Evolutiioz]

29 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

If you need WiFi I would look at the MSI Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon AC or the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi. 

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/K3ndnQ/msi-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon-ac-atx-lga1151-motherboard-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon-ac

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/N6gzK8/gigabyte-z390-aorus-pro-wifi-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z390-aorus-pro-wifi

 

 

The Asus board would cope fine with the 9700K by the way, but it is overpriced compared to the MSI or Gigabyte. On the plus side Asus does have the best bios. The Gigabyte bios is still behind Asus in that regard.

 

Do you already have a monitor ?

Yes, 2x Acer 1920x1080 @ 60Hz

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Evolutiioz said:

Yes, 2x Acer 1920x1080 @ 60Hz

If you are sticking with that resolution/refresh rate then a Ryzen build would be fine, and a lot cheaper. An Intel cpu would be faster for high refresh rate gaming at 1080p/1440p with a strong gpu. 

 

So you could easily go with an R5 2600 and an MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon for example. If you are fine with spending the £1500 then of course you could get a higher end board such as the ASRock X470 Taichi. The new Ryzen 3000 cpu's are due out this Summer though. Should hear more at Computex at the end of May.