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So I'm out for a power supply and after my last post i made here and checking the draw of my system on a website it came out to be 580 something watt so i decided to get a rm650x.

 

Later i planned on getting the rm750x to futureproof the build a little bit.

 

Now I'm here and the Rm1000x costs cheaper than the rm850x and the rm750x.

 

Should i get the rm1000x? Can too much wattage harm my components/decrease psu efficiency/life/increase electricity bill?

 

Please help thank you.

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2 minutes ago, Spiretec said:

So I'm out for a power supply and after my last post i made here and checking the draw of my system on a website it came out to be 580 something watt so i decided to get a rm650x.

 

Later i planned on getting the rm750x to futureproof the build a little bit.

 

Now I'm here and the Rm1000x costs cheaper than the rm850x and the rm750x.

 

Should i get the rm1000x? Can too much wattage harm my components/decrease psu efficiency/life/increase electricity bill?

 

Please help thank you.

A 1000w PSU for a 580 draw puts you in the meat of the efficiency curve, go for it.  And no, doesn't hurt anything or cost more over time.  Actually, being in the top of the curve saves money over time, hence the 80+ rating system.

 

That's a lot of power draw, what are you pushing?

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No, nothing will happen, except i think that the that you will save money on electricity bill, looking at the PSU efficiency curve:

If a psu calculator website said that the build will draw 580Watts, it is probably closer to 400watts, and that puts you in the best place to be efficiency wise.

Image result for rm1000x efficiency curve

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1 minute ago, Origami Cactus said:

No, nothing will happen, except i think that the that you will save money on electricity bill, looking at the PSU efficiency curve:

Image result for rm1000x efficiency curve

Ooh, I was thinking it was more of a natural bell curve.  That's uglier than I thought.  Max efficiency is 400w only.

 

Edit:  It's 1% diff, so not a big deal at all.  Just knee jerk reacting :)

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27 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

A 1000w PSU for a 580 draw puts you in the meat of the efficiency curve, go for it.  And no, doesn't hurt anything or cost more over time.  Actually, being in the top of the curve saves money over time, hence the 80+ rating system.

 

That's a lot of power draw, what are you pushing?

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Also thank you for the quick reply everyone! Still in the market. Probably gonna get it today only :) 1 hour left before the market closes

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24 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Ooh, I was thinking it was more of a natural bell curve.  That's uglier than I thought. 

All graphs are beautiful in their own way, why do people always only seem to like Poisson distribution? I see desperate statisticians desperately trying to transform data that failed their F-test...

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34 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

A 1000w PSU for a 580 draw puts you in the meat of the efficiency curve, go for it.  And no, doesn't hurt anything or cost more over time.  Actually, being in the top of the curve saves money over time, hence the 80+ rating system.

 

That's a lot of power draw, what are you pushing?

Oh also current one is Vs series and everyone said it's bad (even tho 650 watts is nice) and people suggested to go for the rmx series

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1 minute ago, NIneEyeRon said:

All graphs are beautiful in their own way, why do people always only seem to like Poisson distribution? I see desperate statisticians desperately trying to transform data that failed their F-test...

You're right.  I reacted before I thought really, due to wanting to see the high point of the curve further along the power draw axis.

 

Now I have to look up Poisson, damn you ?

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12 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You're right.  I reacted before I thought really, due to wanting to see the high point of the curve further along the power draw axis.

 

Now I have to look up Poisson, damn you ?

Poisson is just the discreet compared to normal (bell curve) distribution which is continuous.

 

I was incorrect using it here really as this is normal distribution not Poisson distribution. That was my error mixing them up.

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Good...they don't have electrical knowledge....dual Primary shit...good input filtering big coils....ripple suppression monster. 

 

Designed as such because the Intelligent People have no idea where you are running you're shit dude..and you're wall and power quality...

 

Application of Preconditioning does have some Relevance. 

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If it’s quality and has a good curve, no reason not to. You don’t always have to go bottom barrel psu like some believe. 

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Average Residential may be in decline...and in other Places they use to and some Probably do..put better shit in the wall and some Neat stuff. 

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running the 220-230v line has about no significance notable in the design man....3-5% it's not something to worry about.

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And it got it.

 

Thank you everyone for the quick reply!

 

Have a good day :)

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4 hours ago, Spiretec said:

So I'm out for a power supply and after my last post i made here and checking the draw of my system on a website it came out to be 580 something watt so i decided to get a rm650x.

 

Later i planned on getting the rm750x to futureproof the build a little bit.

 

Now I'm here and the Rm1000x costs cheaper than the rm850x and the rm750x.

 

Should i get the rm1000x? Can too much wattage harm my components/decrease psu efficiency/life/increase electricity bill?

 

Please help thank you.

Waste of money, without any real benefit...

And "Futureproofing" is a nonsense argument as nobody really knows what the future will bring.

 

Also its more probable that something serious might change so that your "futureproof" PSU might get useless. 

 

Also higher wattage means more energy in the system and higher OCP -> higher damage in case something goes wrong...

4 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

A 1000w PSU for a 580 draw puts you in the meat of the efficiency curve, go for it. 

*sigh*

That's bullshit.

The Peak is rather far down and with modern Gold PSU or better have a very flat Efficiency curve, so we're talking about like 1% Difference, maybe 1,5% between 20 and 80% Load, maybe another 1% for the last 20%...

SO its not really worth it...

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38 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Waste of money, without any real benefit...

And "Futureproofing" is a nonsense argument as nobody really knows what the future will bring.

 

Also its more probable that something serious might change so that your "futureproof" PSU might get useless. 

 

Also higher wattage means more energy in the system and higher OCP -> higher damage in case something goes wrong...

*sigh*

That's bullshit.

The Peak is rather far down and with modern Gold PSU or better have a very flat Efficiency curve, so we're talking about like 1% Difference, maybe 1,5% between 20 and 80% Load, maybe another 1% for the last 20%...

SO its not really worth it...

Actually, since his PC will pull much less than 580w, I'd say around 450w maybe, then a 1000w PSU WITH THE CURVE SHOWN ABOVE does infact put him in the best part of the efficiency curve.   If it's the same price as a 750w PSU, why not?  

 

You can argue that getting a 500-550w PSU would be better, but in the long run is it really a big deal at all?

 

If he wants a 4-digit wattage PSU, I bet it's cheaper in the long run by at least 50 cents or so.

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37 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Waste of money

how can it be a waste of money when OP clarified it was CHEAPER than the 850/750W versions???

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7 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Actually, since his PC will pull much less than 580w, I'd day around 450w maybe, then a 1000w PSU WITH THE CURVE SHOWN ABOVE does infact put him in the best part of the efficiency curve.   If it's the same price as a 750w PSU, why not?  

Because its bullshit. He already had a perfectly fine PSU and the efficiency in 230VAC is way flatter as well.

Here a real graph from someone I trust:

https://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/tests/netzteile/corsair_rm850x_white/s03.php


Peak is 92,7% at around 40% load. And between 20 and 70% we are talking about 1% Difference. Yeah, sorry, but that's really bullshit. 

 

7 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You can argue that getting a 500-550w PSU would be better, but in the long run is it really a big deal at all?

Yes because the 550W version is around 86€ or so, the 1kW one is around 150€.

So a waste of around 60€ for what exactly?
Nothing is gained for him!

 

If you do not need the wattage at all..

And 550W is enough for a System without OC and _TWO_ higher end Graphics cards. So you have to have a really big wallet to be ever in need of more than 550W!

Wich means in the ballpark of around 1500€ for CPU, Board and Graphics card...

 

For someone who looks at the mid range, even a 400W is plenty, 550W more than anyone will ever need.

 

Another thing you miss:
a) ATX is already 23 Years old. Can be replaced with something better any day now

b) people in some PSU Forum said that the upcoming ATX Specification will be incompatible with PSU that are available today. 

 

So what did he gain?? An Overwatt PSU that doesn't give him any benefit at all and a ton of Money wasted!
He could have eaten at least 5 good, big Pizza with that. Or bought a decent, new Game.

Or 2-5 on sale.


So what does benefit him more in your oppionion:
a) a PSU he will never need

b) a couple of Pizza 

c) some nice games


I'm not sure about the answer, but one thing I am sure of is that a) makes no sense.

 

7 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

If he wants a 4-digit wattage PSU, I bet it's cheaper in the long run by at least 50 cents or so.

For what exactly?!

for 0,5% higher efficiency?! Waste 50€ for that?

RLY?

 

1 minute ago, aezakmi said:

how can it be a waste of money when OP clarified it was CHEAPER than the 850/750W versions???

Because even the 550W is more than he'll ever need and the 750/850W bullshit for him, so he wasted around 50-70€ or so for this thing that does not give him anything in return over the smaller unit...

At least nothing that he really needs...

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Bought my 1k in 2013 I think. For a single card setup. Then for sli.

Spent early 2017 pushing 4 1080’s. Didn’t have to waste money getting another psu. Better to do it right once. 

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4 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Waste of money, without any real benefit...

And "Futureproofing" is a nonsense argument as nobody really knows what the future will bring.

 

Also its more probable that something serious might change so that your "futureproof" PSU might get useless. 

 

Also higher wattage means more energy in the system and higher OCP -> higher damage in case something goes wrong...

*sigh*

That's bullshit.

The Peak is rather far down and with modern Gold PSU or better have a very flat Efficiency curve, so we're talking about like 1% Difference, maybe 1,5% between 20 and 80% Load, maybe another 1% for the last 20%...

SO its not really worth it...

Ok so.

 

650x was for 7000 bucks (at the cheapest and was not in stock in any shop)

750x was 8000 (at the cheapest and not in stock again)

850x was for 10500 at the cheapest and was in stock pretty much everywhere.

1000x was for 9000 and at the cheapest and was available.

 

 

at online retails

9000 being the price of 650x

10000 for the 750x

11500 for 850x

13000 for the 1000x

 

1000x was literally the cheapest psu, i don't have much knowledge about other brands so i didn't bother with them. People recommended the rmx series here so that's what i went with.

 

So i have no clue how you are saying i wasted money.

 

 

Future proofing is kinda lame ok i agree but if you are gonna be so scared about everything in the future might as well stop buying anything in hopes of it becoming obsolete one day. Also even if a new standard arrives pretty sure the old ones won't be discarded immediately. 

 

Now efficiency and all is something i have little to no knowledge so I'll let you all discuss bout the curves and bells.

 

Also no pizzas I'm on diet :c

and i pretty much get most of the games i want for free. 

 

 

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Ge the 650x, you will most likely never use more than 550w anyway

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You bought the RM1000x because it was cheapest. That's fine.

 

But let's clear up some misinformation in this thread.

Alot of talk about efficiency curves... Forget it. Different PSUs have different curves, different overall efficiency, and you system doesn't sit at a constant power consumption.

 

If you care about efficiency, look at the Cybenetics ratings. Don't bother with wattage, as long as it's enough for your system and future intentions.

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10 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Ge the 650x, you will most likely never use more than 550w anyway

The 650x wasn't even in stock anywhere.

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6 hours ago, Rexper said:

You bought the RM1000x because it was cheapest. That's fine.

 

But let's clear up some misinformation in this thread.

Alot of talk about efficiency curves... Forget it. Different PSUs have different curves, different overall efficiency, and you system doesn't sit at a constant power consumption.

 

If you care about efficiency, look at the Cybenetics ratings. Don't bother with wattage, as long as it's enough for your system and future intentions.

Yep, they said due to the mining craze, there was a huge supply of these 1000 watt psu's and now that it's dead, everyone has alot of extra stock.

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