NVIDIA finally officially supports Adaptive Sync (with a small catch)

[D13H4RD]

1 minute ago, Beowulff83 said:

So if you are not on the approved list you can manually turn it on?  I hope so.  If not i don't understand why they would exclude anyone, just don't officially support the cheaper monitors.

Yep, according to the source, if your monitor doesn't meet NVIDIA's requirements, you can still turn it on manually

[Mira Yurizaki]

NVIDIA's done this before. G-Sync for laptops was riding on top of adaptive sync that was already defined for laptop displays, which is also what AMD used to push VESA to make adaptive sync a(n optional) standard for desktop monitors.

 

But hey, I'm happy they're finally embracing the other standard.

[porina]

16 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Basically adaptivesync is the free open standard owned by VESA which allows a display to have variable refresh rate.

Freesync is just the AMD implementation of hardware/software adaptivesync compatibility with their GPUs.

AdaptiveSync is defined for DP connection only? Does FreeSync have the same limitation? My FreeSync monitor has both HDMI and DP cables connected, and as I move systems around I kinda randomly pick one or the other. I haven't gamed on it much though so not noticed anything.

[Enderman]

5 minutes ago, porina said:

AdaptiveSync is defined for DP connection only? Does FreeSync have the same limitation? My FreeSync monitor has both HDMI and DP cables connected, and as I move systems around I kinda randomly pick one or the other. I haven't gamed on it much though so not noticed anything.

Some monitors can do it over HDMI.

The HDMI 2.1 spec will support it officially once that is released.

[Syntaxvgm]

what an insulting way to roll this out. 

[Velcade]

3 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

Sadly I'll probably never find out with my current monitor, the VG248QE's DP port is dead  

Lucky for you it doesn't support sync tech.  

[geo3]

Damn! I recently bought a gsync monitor. Now I'm mad.

[Enderman]

9 hours ago, Ja50n said:

It was easy to see where this format war was headed simply by looking at the fact that FreeSync is free while Nvidia takes a $200-$500 cut for every Gsync monitor. Their implementation was far more expensive and no better in quality than a comparable FreeSync panel.

Just FYI, gsync was very different and much better than freesync.

There were tons of monitors with "freesync" that only had like a 15Hz variable refreshrate window, while gsync could go both much lower and higher.

It also had lower latency in certain games.

[Derangel]

13 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

what an insulting way to roll this out. 

How is it insulting?

[Syntaxvgm]

8 minutes ago, Derangel said:

How is it insulting?

5 years. 5 fucking years it took them years to enable a software thing that's an open standard (that they already use on laptops) and they limit it to 10xx and 20xx cards. And they're only doing it because HDMI 2.1 is coming down the road and they would have been forced to for TVs eventually. 

 

[Derangel]

4 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

5 years. 5 fucking years it took them years to enable a software thing that's an open standard (that they already use on laptops) and they limit it to 10xx and 20xx cards. And they're only doing it because HDMI 2.1 is coming down the road and they would have been forced to for TVs eventually. 

 

The 900 series will be five years old this year. While it sucks for people still holding on to their video cards from 2014, I really can't bring myself to get mad at Nvidia for this one. Had this happened a couple years ago and they didn't support the 9-series there would definitely be good reason to call it out as bad behavior.

 

If you want to be cynical about the reasons: Nvidia is doing it because they feel it is a good move for their business. This is the same reason any company does anything. I also doubt that HDMI 2.1 was the only reason for this decision. I'd imagine there was pressure from monitor manufacturers, combined with G-sync likely not doing quite as well as Nvidia would like. Regardless of the cynical reasons, its nice to see Nvidia pull its head out of its ass. This is a good move for all PC gamers.

[yian88]

9 hours ago, Enderman said:

Freesync and Adaptive sync are two different things.

Explain whats adaptive sync again because i forgot.

Freesync monitors are crap, at least mine(and from what i read other users have same issues regardless of monitor brand) i have an Acer 240hz freesync monitor and rx 580 latest 2019 adrenalin driver i cant enable Freesync at all, payed for nothing.

[S w a t s o n]

8 hours ago, LAwLz said:

What's even funnier is that AMD did not make FreeSync. It's a VESA standard they repurposed and branded, after Nvidia had already released G-Sync.

I am aware, was only joke

[Syntaxvgm]

1 hour ago, Derangel said:

The 900 series will be five years old this year. While it sucks for people still holding on to their video cards from 2014, I really can't bring myself to get mad at Nvidia for this one. Had this happened a couple years ago and they didn't support the 9-series there would definitely be good reason to call it out as bad behavior.

 

If you want to be cynical about the reasons: Nvidia is doing it because they feel it is a good move for their business. This is the same reason any company does anything. I also doubt that HDMI 2.1 was the only reason for this decision. I'd imagine there was pressure from monitor manufacturers, combined with G-sync likely not doing quite as well as Nvidia would like. Regardless of the cynical reasons, its nice to see Nvidia pull its head out of its ass. This is a good move for all PC gamers.

The problem is I guarantee it was an intentional limit that will be worked around with driver hacks like usual. It's not a hardware limitation. It doesn't matter if they are 5 years old, the fact is they still play games well and a lot of people still use them. I don't expect them to make it work if the cards were so old they no longer got driver updates, but they're not. I'm 90% sure it's an artificial limitation, and if they didn't have so much 10 series stock to get rid of I bet it would be 20 series only. 

And no, they are a little over 4 years old btw, not 5. 980ti is bout 3 and a half. 

[Rune]

that moment when you bought a XG270HU because it was an overall great monitor and it just happens to be on the list

 

[Taf the Ghost]

20 minutes ago, Rune said:

that moment when you bought a XG270HU because it was an overall great monitor and it just happens to be on the list

 

Nvidia is more or less directly supporting the best of the 144 Hz options that were out there this Holiday season. Funny, that.

[mr moose]

6 hours ago, Adramalech said:

tell that to the people who bought a G sync monitor last week... it's horrible...

Tell what to them?  I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say here,  because I thought my post was pretty clear, if freesync monitors can be used by the latest two Nvidia series, then Navi no longer has it as an exclusive option.  Any choice between Navi and thee 2000 series is now a choice based on performance and price (and RT).  

 

With regard to people who just bought G-sync, monitors, they still bought a high quality monitor (that's one of the reasons Gsync costs more (the QA and feature set requirements are significantly higher than freesync). They still have a product that works, and as I pointed out before, Gsync sells to mainly to those who specifically want gsync, it's price and end use narrowed its consumer base effectively to those where price is less off a concern, but those last few Frames are.

 

It is not horrible to buy the best and still have the best, Nvidia enabling Async has not changed the quality of any monitor, you still get what you pay for in 99% of cases.

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 hours ago, yian88 said:

Explain whats adaptive sync again because i forgot.

Adaptive sync is the standard VESA set out for variable refresh rate. It states what commands GPUs should use to control the displays that support them. FreeSync is AMD's implementation of VESA adaptive sync. If anything, it's how AMD's software does things to talk to those displays.

 

A standard only defines what something is. It does not necessarily define how to do it.

[Delicieuxz]

3 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

5 years. 5 fucking years it took them years to enable a software thing that's an open standard (that they already use on laptops) and they limit it to 10xx and 20xx cards. And they're only doing it because HDMI 2.1 is coming down the road and they would have been forced to for TVs eventually. 

It might also be that Nvidia is wanting to make a positive PR event to counter their tanked stock value and the recent negative PR created for the company over allegations of Nvidia falsely representing their future business prospects to their investors. In addition to what you mentioned, Nvidia may be trying to stave off further due or undue loss of confidence in the company, and do something to build new favour.

[mr moose]

9 hours ago, Settlerteo said:

Are these claims based on facts and real articles because this is rather informative(i mean about revenue and bankruptcy).

P.S. I also think they had a win with 470/480/570/580 mostly because of miners.

As far as I know they made freesync royalty free and free to use. So they made no money back from either software or monitor development that uses it.

 

There are several articles that run commentaries on AMD'S financial situation from 2009 to 2014-15.   Yahoos y-charts show the R+D budget over the last 5 years and stock prices accordingly.  and there Altmen-z score was abysmal.

 

Yes the mining boom did put a lot of cash in AMD's coffers, but the 400 series wasn't released until 2016 and they were in dire trouble in 2015 still.

 

Personally I think the thing that saved AMD* was mining demand in 2016 and 2017 and then ryzen.  And they are a very lucky company to have avoided bankruptcy before then.

 

http://ww2.cfo.com/bankruptcy/2015/04/amds-first-quarter-earnings-fuel-bankruptcy-fears/

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/04/24/how-close-is-advanced-micro-devices-inc-to-bankrup.aspx

 

Even in 2017 after everything had pickeed up and they were making observable headway into new ground there were still the odd investor group that were warning against buying AMD shares (they might have a little egg on their face now)

 

https://investorplace.com/2017/02/advanced-micro-devices-inc-amd-stock-2-reasons-to-steer-clear/

And about 6 months later the same website trying understand AMD'S come back:

https://investorplace.com/2017/10/advanced-micro-devices-amd-stock-played-out/

 

 

*Actually,  I really think the thing that saved AMD was getting Lisa Su in as the CEO in 2014. 

[thorhammerz]

7 hours ago, Adramalech said:

tell that to the people who bought a G sync monitor last week... it's horrible...

Just never buy anything and save 100% of your money: you'll never have to deal with lower prices after a purchase, guaranteed !

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

It might also be that Nvidia is wanting to make a positive PR event to counter their tanked stock value and the recent negative PR created for the company over allegations of Nvidia falsely representing their future business prospects to their investors. In addition to what you mentioned, Nvidia may be trying to stave off further due or undue loss of confidence in the company, and do something to build new favour.

Honestly I could care less why they are doing it. This is a fantastic turn of events regardless. 

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

It might also be that Nvidia is wanting to make a positive PR event to counter their tanked stock value and the recent negative PR created for the company over allegations of Nvidia falsely representing their future business prospects to their investors. In addition to what you mentioned, Nvidia may be trying to stave off further due or undue loss of confidence in the company, and do something to build new favour.

Nvidia was always going to adopted FreeSync. It was just a matter of when it made business sense. VRR is coming to consumer electronics starting this year, so Nvidia's hand was forced a bit.

[Blancaster]

Wow, I feel lucky. I actually have one of the official supported monitors.

[KONA]

So who is setting up the freesync test party on the 15th