Michael Pachter confirms he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, claims PS5 will be capable of 4K @ 240FPS

[Master Disaster]

You honestly couldn't make this shit up. Mere days after Linus built a $5000 PC which just about managed 200FPS @ 4K for a few frames in one game, gaming industry "analyst & expert" Michael Pachter is now claiming Sony's next gen PS5 will be capable of significantly better performance.

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Loyal Sony PlayStation gamers who have been waiting to arm up with the PS5 console just got the dispatch they were waiting for: confirmation that the PlayStation 5 is set to be an Xbox Two-slaying powerhouse.

 

That's because the gaming industry's foremost analyst, Michael Pachter, has just waded into the fray with comments made to Gamingbolt that shows just how incredible the Japanese maker's next system, which is rumoured to be coming as early as 2019, looks like it is going to be.

 

When speaking on the topic of Sony's plans in terms of the next-generation of video game consoles, Pachter said that:

 

"I think they will probably have that 4K and 240 FPS device that’ll support PSVR"

 

240 FPS?! If the PS5 delivers native 4K resolutions while also pushing games out at 240 frames per second then that would be a truly astounding gaming experience and, unless matched by Microsoft, would leave its flagship Xbox Scarlett console pinned down under heavy, generation-winning, feature fire.

https://www.t3.com/amp/news/incredible-ps5-feature-set-to-leave-xbox-two-desperate-for-counterstrike

 

The only astounding thing is that you'd print this nonsense and not question it.

 

I won't bother going any deeper into the article as it continues talking as though this is possible and how Microsoft should be scared of the PS5.

 

Listen, unless Sony can cram a 9900K & 2 X 2080tis into the PS5 and somehow retail it for $500 to $600 it's very obvious Michael Pachter is talking out of his arse.

[Bananasplit_00]

nono you are understanding this wrong! Its going to be 720P output as 4K!

 

/s

[fabafaba]

240FPS? Definetly not in 4k, at 720p, maybe.

[GoldenLag]

More flawed console hype. The PS5 is supposed to be good, but it will be equiped with a Navi derivative and can probaboy do 4K 60hz at medium-high settings

[laminutederire]

There was already info about that saying it's going to do 4K@60fps and be able to do psvr@240fps. I'm pretty no one explicitly said 4K@240..

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

More flawed console hype. The PS5 is supposed to be good, but it will be equiped with a Navi derivative and can probaboy do 4K 60hz at medium-high settings

Yep, and the industries most prominent expert somehow thinks it will beat the top 1% of gaming PCs.

 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sony didn't come out and say this is nonsense because overhyping like this can actually do more damage to a brand.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, laminutederire said:

There was already info about that saying it's going to do 4K@60fps and be able to do psvr@240fps. I'm pretty no one explicitly said 4K@240..

 

10 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I think they will probably have that 4K and 240 FPS device that’ll support PSVR

Direct quote of what Michael Pachter said.

 

My issue here is that non techies might have a hard time understanding what he means and be expecting a 4K 240FPS console because what he said is pretty ambiguous and the article I quoted from implied it multiple times.

[Fasauceome]

The wonders of optimization!

 

What they actually did was list the spec of the HDMI port that will be built in

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sony didn't come out and say this is nonsense because overhyping like this can actually do more damage to a brand.

The moment we get any performance metric from Navi, this will get shot down quickly

[laminutederire]

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

 

Direct quote of what Michael Pachter said.

 

My issue here is that non techies might have a hard time understanding what he means and be expecting a 4K 240FPS console because what he said is pretty ambiguous and the article I quoted from implied it multiple times.

The quote is ambiguously put indeed, but it does mean 4K and 240hz separately for him and everyone in the tech press which is highly probable.

[Taf the Ghost]

It can probably do that in Half-Life 2. Heck, there's some games you can hit 1000 FPS, though the Engine tends to break first. 

[Spotty]

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Recently, reports suggested that Microsoft are working on four separate variants of new Xbox hardware, out of which two are revisions for the current generation Xbox One with cloud streaming features enabled, and the other two being different variants of the next-gen Xbox. Recently, GamingBolt sat down with industry analyst Michael Pachter for a chat, and one of the things we spoke of was these reports, and about whether that was something Sony might considering doing with the PS5 as well.

According to Pachter, Microsoft may very well end up having two Xbox Scarlett – or whatever they choose to call their new console – variants, with one being a cheaper streaming box, and the other being a more traditional home console with more powerful hardware capabilities.

“I expect a dumbed down console, like the Steam console, where it’s download only, and there’s no hard drive or disc drive,” Pachter told GamingBolt. “So I think there will be a streaming device, like a $100 Xbox console that doesn’t run in 4K or 240 frames per second. And then I think there will be a more expensive $400 console that supports 4K, 240 FPS, virtual reality. I don’t know if there will be ‘models’. I don’t think you’re going to get completely different devices.”
 

On the topic of Sony, Pachter was not quite as sure about whether different variants of the same system is something they would have for the PS5 as well.

“Whether Sony does it, I think they will probably have that 4K and 240 FPS device that’ll support PSVR,” he said. “Whether they have a PlayStation Now device that is streaming only, I don’t know. Maybe there will be two each for PlayStation and Xbox, but I would be surprised if there were more than two, and I’m not sure whether Sony is committed to doing that.”

https://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-may-have-two-next-gen-xbox-variants-says-pachter

 

For those interested in the original quotes from the source article.

"4k or 240 frames per second". The way I read what he's saying is he's not talking about a device running 4k at 240fps. He's talking about a device that can run either 4k (probably 60fps) or 240fps (probably 1080p).

[Master Disaster]

2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It can probably do that in Half-Life 2. Heck, there's some games you can hit 1000 FPS, though the Engine tends to break first. 

The fun that can be had playing HL2 at 999 FPS though.

[r2724r16]

I think he meant to say 480p @240FPS, not 4K.

[Taf the Ghost]

What's the max spec on the HDMI and DP specs they're likely to use? I don't think those would allow for 240Hz at 4K unless they required two.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, Spotty said:

https://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-may-have-two-next-gen-xbox-variants-says-pachter

 

For those interested in the original quotes from the source article.

"4k or 240 frames per second". The way I read what he's saying is he's not talking about a device running 4k at 240fps. He's talking about a device that can run either 4k (probably 60fps) or 240fps (probably 1080p).

You should read your own posts...

 

He clearly says 4K or 240 while talking about Xbox. When talking about PS5 he actually says 4K and 240FPS. It's right there in your own quote.

[Spotty]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

You should read your own posts...

 

He clearly says 4K or 240 while talking about Xbox. When talking about PS5 he actually says 4K and 240FPS. It's right there in your own quote.

 

 

When he's talking about Xbox...

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“So I think there will be a streaming device, like a $100 Xbox console that doesn’t run in 4K or 240 frames per second. And then I think there will be a more expensive $400 console that supports 4K, 240 FPS, virtual reality.

By your logic, you're thinking he's saying the next Xbox will run Virtual Reality at 4k resolution @ 240FPS?

 

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On the topic of Sony, Pachter was not quite as sure about whether different variants of the same system is something they would have for the PS5 as well.

“Whether Sony does it, I think they will probably have that 4K and 240 FPS device that’ll support PSVR,” he said.

He doesn't say "4k at 240FPS", he says "4K and 240FPS". He's talking about different features. He's talking about a device that can do high resolution gaming, as well as high refresh rate gaming. He does not say it can do 4K at 240FPS.

 

It would be like me saying "The RTX 2080ti is a good graphics card for 4k gaming and high refresh rate 240fps gaming". That's not the same as saying the RTX 2080ti can do 4k at 240FPS.

 

I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you. You have your opinion, I have mine. I've linked to the original article with the quotes so other people can read what he said and make up their own mind as to what they want to believe.

https://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-may-have-two-next-gen-xbox-variants-says-pachter

[79wjd]

21 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You should read your own posts...

 

He clearly says 4K or 240 while talking about Xbox. When talking about PS5 he actually says 4K and 240FPS. It's right there in your own quote.

I also read it to mean that there will be a PS5 that supports 4k and 240fps (but not necessarily at the same time -- the same way its implied on the Xbox) -- in that there will be a PS5 that has the capability to output either and maybe a PS5 Lite that can do neither.

[Sauron]

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4K and 240 FPS device that’ll support PSVR

I've never heard of the guy so I can't be sure, but maybe it's just poor wording; he didn't say "4k at 240fps", he said "4k and 240fps". Maybe he just means that the console will be capable of outputting either 4k or 240fps, not necessarily both at the same time. Remember, output framerate in a console is limited by the display connector they choose to use as well as what the firmware allows - sony might have made the decision to allow 240hz output for use with psvr.

[D13H4RD]

I’m quite sure he meant to say that the PS5 could support both native 3840x2160 output or a maximum supported synced FPS of 240FPS, but not both at the same time

[Master Disaster]

13 minutes ago, Spotty said:

 

 

When he's talking about Xbox...

By your logic, you're thinking he's saying the next Xbox will run Virtual Reality at 4k resolution @ 240FPS?

 

He doesn't say "4k at 240FPS", he says "4K and 240FPS". He's talking about different features. He's talking about a device that can do high resolution gaming, as well as high refresh rate gaming. He does not say it can do 4K at 240FPS.

 

It would be like me saying "The RTX 2080ti is a good graphics card for 4k gaming and high refresh rate 240fps gaming". That's not the same as saying the RTX 2080ti can do 4k at 240FPS.

 

I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you. You have your opinion, I have mine. I've linked to the original article with the quotes so other people can read what he said and make up their own mind as to what they want to believe.

https://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-may-have-two-next-gen-xbox-variants-says-pachter

You're preaching to the choir, I fully understand this concept. Unfortunately the non technical people reading about this probably won't understand the difference as is proven by the fact the article I quoted from literally states the PS5 can do 4K @ 240fps.

 

If you're so sure he didn't mean 4K @ 240 then care to explain why he separated the terms with a space when talking about Xbox but used the word and when talking about Sony? I mean he obviously felt the need to separate the terms for one console which proves he understands the difference between the terms. Why separate for Microsoft but not for Sony?

 

If someone said to you "my PC can do 4K and 240fps" how exactly would you interpret that sentence? I know what it would mean to me.

[suicidalfranco]

will it be true 4K or fake 4K. true 240 fps or motion interpolation 

[Fetzie]

1 hour ago, r2724r16 said:

I think he meant to say 480p @240FPS, not 4K.

720p, upscaled to 4k

[shermantanker]

Lol, what the hell does this guy do all day. I’m expecting native 4K @60fps with slightly better graphics then what can be done now for most games. The ones that really push it will probably upscale from 1440. The X can already run some impressive looking games at native 4K/30, and double that 2 years from now is reasonable.

[poochyena]

probably meant 4k 24fps