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I used to be the biggest Apple fanboy any of my friends knew.

How many here used to be huge apple fanboys (or fangirls I suppose), but have been completely disenchanted by the flaming garbage that is the entire MacBook line since 2016, and the lack of a usable Mac Pro since 2012, and the base level iMac having a 5400RPM F$%#ING HARD DRIVE which should be illegal and punishable by CEO resignation, as well as iOS being completely unusable for productivity despite running on an iPad Pro as powerful as an i7, and being so thin that they literally couldn't fit the headphone jack, and that it bends in manufacturing... 

 

How many here have the same experience?

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return policy helps too. I've never been one, and probably will never be. I'm not brand loyal, i want the best for my money, and at the moment apple can't give me that. not to hate or to fanboy android/windows, but i just can't buy it

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6 minutes ago, 314j said:

punishable by CEO resignation

How will that help? At most, Tim Cook resigns and apple replaces him with another business person who has the same motives as any other: market share and revenue

 

Obviously Apple's had faults and they havent been as great as they were 6-8 years ago, but that happens in business. It's a life cycle. They learn from mistakes and proceed with further developments through solutions to those mistakes. 

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1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

and the base level iMac having a 5400RPM F$%#ING HARD DRIVE

it was 1997 they didn't need much better than that

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15 minutes ago, 314j said:

5400RPM HARD DRIVE

In theory, that's only 25% slower than a 7200 RPM HDD, so it's not a big deal (considering that HDDs are already so slow).

15 minutes ago, 314j said:

well as iOS being completely unusable for productivity

Have you ever used an iPad? A professinal will buy a proper PC, iPads are for web browsing, videos, mobile gaming, and that sort of work. Even the "Pro" lineup isn't for Pros.

 

And as a student, my iPad gets the job done for taking notes (which is productivity). I'm actually typing this on an iPad right now.

15 minutes ago, 314j said:

and being so thin that they literally couldn't fit the headphone jack, and that it bends in manufacturing... 

Ever heard of adapters? The bending thing is an issue though, and not acceptable IMO. And in case you've been living under a rock, headphone jacks are disappearing from tons of devices, not just Apple ones.

15 minutes ago, 314j said:

flaming garbage that is the entire MacBook line since 2016

The MacBook lineup is fine, all laptops throttle to some degree. MacBooks have the best screens and the best trackpads, they're not bad at all.

15 minutes ago, 314j said:

How many here have the same experience?

Not me for sure, I'm a huge Apple fan and will continue to be one. Apple makes great products, even if they're a bit pricey.

 

And I don't understand why're so angry, if you think Apple makes bad products, don't buy them. And at least support your arguements when you talk shit about a company.

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I used to be way more familiar with Mac than windows so I had an iMac and a super old cheese grater Mac tower back in the day. I had always known non-mac computers would do gaming better, so saving up for one to finally leave the Macosphere was a healthy change of pace for me.

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12 minutes ago, 314j said:

How many here have the same experience?

Just to contradict that I would like to share some good experiences some people I know have had with Apple.

 

  • One of my family members had gotten an iPad mini and it broke a month or so out of warranty. Apple gave them a new one for free.
  • Someone else I know decided to have their phone battery replaced in an iPhone 6, because of the whole battery controversy. Apple broke it and, even though the contract signed at the beginning of the repair didn't say they had to, they replaced it with a new iPhone 6. A New One. Even though at the the the 6 was no longer being sold by Apple at the time they still had kept some in stock stock for this reason, or so the person at Apple said.
  • On a somewhat unrelated note, from what I have heard Apple is pretty good at managing updates. The 6s, a phone from 2015 still gets the latest iOS updates as soon as the newest phones and iOS 12 reworked how the CPU clock speeds increase under load and this seems to be especially benefiting older devices.
  • Also they don't force people to update (Looking at you Microsoft). Someone else I now uses a MacBook Pro everyday at work and, being not especially tech savvy, doesn't update and is still running an operating system from 4 or so years ago. When this person called Apple support once, they never tried to force this person into updating, and even said that they ran an older OS themselves. Whether or not that was true this made the person calling Apple support much more comfortable and they easily fixed the problem.

This is just a messy collection of stories I have heard, so take it as you want.

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Well feel free to buy a PC, it’s your choice to buy what you want. I will continue to buy Apple because I like their products more, no PC has really appealed to me more so I go with the Mac. If you don’t like it, cool it’s your choice. 

 

People enjoy making a big hoo-hah over Apple products because it gets them clicks, I wouldn’t believe everything you hear, and always try products out in the store before you buy.

 

I’ve only experienced nice things about Apple products myself, and haven’t had any bendgate or batterygate, iPhone 7 issues and whatnot. Everything works great for me and I love my devices. 

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28 minutes ago, TimsTips said:

 

I will give them credit for one thing though, at least they are fighting for our privacy. No other company cares about that.

This is important, Privacy is a big premium these days, Blackberry and Apple know it gets customers. 

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The key here is hate everything.

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MacBooks are still great if you are into suboptimal keyboards and burning your main board and money 

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Honestly... originally as an IT person back in high school I hated Apple as everyone I knew back in the late '90s and 2000s hated Apple and were PC master race kind of people; however upon getting my first iPhone (actually for free from Verzion due to a bunch of service issues I won't discuss) I fell in love with the phone and actually my first tablet was an iPad for that reason however in recent months with a lot of Apple's business decisions, their open attempts to curb the right to repair movement and elimination of many key features (like the radio antenna in phones that's never used to begin with but is there as a stopgap, removal of the jacks for headphones along with preventing the user from easily servicing their own stuff... I'm taking about the physical deterrents to that...) I will say that I am not impressed with Apple, their customer service and their attempts to police anything and everything... Hopefully they change; though I doubt they will without a major shift in consumer habits. 

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17 hours ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Someone else I know decided to have their phone battery replaced in an iPhone 6, because of the whole battery controversy. Apple broke it and, even though the contract signed at the beginning of the repair didn't say they had to, they replaced it with a new iPhone 6. A New One. Even though at the the the 6 was no longer being sold by Apple at the time they still had kept some in stock stock for this reason, or so the person at Apple said.

I mean, this is just standard consumer protections........ 

 

17 hours ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

One of my family members had gotten an iPad mini and it broke a month or so out of warranty. Apple gave them a new one for free.

What broke? If it isnt usercaused or due to design flaws, this is also standard consumer protections. If they actually covered it outside of all that. Good, apple did great

 

17 hours ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

CPU clock speeds increase under load and this seems to be especially benefiting older devices.

Related to the entire battery controversy and the performance drop update.

 

This is a design flaw, and Apple should according to consumer protections offer free coverage for repairs related to this. 

 

 

Apple does great things, but also some awful things (they arent the only ones)

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I still like many Apple products, but I can see why long-time fans have been getting more and more disappointed recently. The reports of keyboard issues on the MacBooks and bending on the iPads makes me question Apple‘s quality control and overall standards, too.

 

That being said, it‘s not like Apple‘s never had quality issues in the past. The iPhone 4 reception problems are infamous at this point, and from what I‘ve heard, older MacBooks had graphics card issues and other problems caused by design flaws. 

 

Plus, the media is probably negatively influencing the public perception as well. Nobody will make „the new Apple Watch has no issues“ their headline. The new iPhones work well, too, and I haven‘t had any issues with mine since the iOS 12.1 patch. 

 

I‘ve personally had more positive experiences than negative ones, so I‘m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. As soon as that changes, I‘ll buy someone else‘s products.

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i stopped being a fan of their hardware but still their software is the best

Mac os is better than windows in everyway for my personal use and for most people (except gamers)

and is much more stable , i am using a hackintosh and still have less problems than i do with windows installed

ios is for me alot better than android but i haven't used a high end android phone in the last 3 years so i can not judge being more stable or not or faster or not

but their iphone / ipad line is very good now imo (not looking at prices which r fucking ridiculous)

 

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23 hours ago, r2724r16 said:

The MacBook lineup is fine, all laptops throttle to some degree. MacBooks have the best screens and the best trackpads, they're not bad at all.

Macbooks no longer lead in the display category. There are now laptops with 16:10, 3:2, and other taller aspect ratios at higher resolutions, and are touch capable. Maybe in 2008 they were top notch but they have fallen off recently 

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iPad Pro as an office tool is very popular, usually paired with a laptop that is just hauled between a home office and the real office.

 

Apple makes some great stuff for the general market and home “professional”. You can very easily create or modify content using them, especially while out and about.

 

I wouldn’t touch Apple desktops though as I am not their target market. I will always buy apple tablets and phones though. I would consider Apple network, storage and laptops however but only if I had cash and a greater need for Apple stuff that I do right now.

 

PCs are for gaming, Apple stuff is for life things.

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11 hours ago, NeuesTestament said:

MacBooks are still great if you are into suboptimal keyboards and burning your main board and money 

 

Actually (at least for the pro model I have) the keyboard is one of the best I've used. Better than any other laptop I've ever used. I have no experience with it but I've also heard the new model MacBooks have a much better keyboard as well compared to previous gen. Never heard of any issues of mainboard's burning up, I'm sure it's happened in a small % but so will any other mainboard on the market.

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